Seems we will see an E Macan in 2001
Will the body change as well??

 

1) Did you mean 2021?

2) You have any new info on this (as opposed to what's already been discussed)?

 

We are fast approaching a state where BEVs can be mass produced to meet all demands for passenger vehicles -- within a decade or two. For the reasons that you state, grim, about independence, therefore, we should stop all subsidies of oil, as oil should ultimately only be needed for aircraft in another generation or so (and maybe for some manufacture of essential non-transportation items). If you can defend subsidizing oil for national security, surely you can therefore also defend a move toward subsidizing electric vehicles INSTEAD of subsidizing oil. Ultimately (once coal and natural gas and oil are done away with) we'll be able to power everything with renewable resources (wind, hydro, solar, etc.) -- yeah, maybe we're a century away, but we should be starting the move now. You give great arguments (perhaps unintentionally), in fact, as to why governments across the world should be subsidizing BEVs and not subsidizing oil, for national and international security and environmental improvement.

 

For the reasons that you state, grim, about independence, therefore, we should stop all subsidies of oil, as oil should ultimately only be needed for aircraft in another generation or so (and maybe for some manufacture of essential non-transportation items). If you can defend subsidizing oil for national security, surely you can therefore also defend a move toward subsidizing electric vehicles INSTEAD of subsidizing oil.

I said that exactly:

Give the same tax breaks to the US companies mining. Maybe it’s a good idea? Oops. So sorry, no or little domestic resources to speak of

There are already subsidies for alternative energy. I, for one, could not care if every electric plant turned from coal to fission plants to the wind blowing or fusion plants one day. Go for it. Do it. Here's a proposed bill to do so

House Republican proposes using tax code to combat climate change

Republican Rep. Tom Reed will unveil a bipartisan bill Wednesday to provide federal tax subsidies for “first-of-a-kind” clean energy technologies for

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Maybe we are talking two different languages. You are speaking about the means for generating electricity. I agree. Do it. I'm talking about the fuel tanks. Today's cars fuel tanks are made of steel, aluminum, some from plastic, basically an unlimited supply of the raw materials. NOT TRUE for batteries. Read it and weep. These are fundamental elements required for batteries from the US geologic service.

https://prd-wret.s3-us-west-2.amazo...west-2.amazonaws.com/assets/palladium/production/atoms/files/mcs-2019-lithi.pdf
https://prd-wret.s3-us-west-2.amazo...ws.com/assets/palladium/production/s3fs-public/atoms/files/mcs-2019-cobal_0.pdf
https://prd-wret.s3-us-west-2.amazo...west-2.amazonaws.com/assets/palladium/production/atoms/files/mcs-2019-nicke.pdf
https://prd-wret.s3-us-west-2.amazo...west-2.amazonaws.com/assets/palladium/production/atoms/files/mcs-2019-raree.pdf
https://prd-wret.s3-us-west-2.amazo...naws.com/assets/palladium/production/s3fs-public/atoms/files/mcs-2019-graph.pdf

There are over 270,000,000 cars on the road to day and 17,000,000 sold a year. Now tell me where the US is going to get that graphite, REE, etc. come the next war? Are you going to invade China for some rare earths? Have the Marines take the cobalt mines in Africa? Is this not exactly the same argument @roule presented with Hitler having no oil?

Funny how Godwin's Law always applies

Build all the wind farms and nuclear plants you want. I'm all for that. I like Nuclear Plants. I like dams, etc. I like free things.

Tell me about the raw material for the fuel tanks. Explain how that works.

 

Current battery technology will continue to be expensive, scarce and environmental unfriendly (recycle scenario) no way around it until something similar to N. Telsa's free energy idea comes along if it works at all.

Did Nikola Tesla Leave Us a Key to Free Energy? | Gaia

Nikola Tesla's Wardenclyffe Tower was scrapped when he intended for it to provide free energy to the world But can we implement this technology today?

www.gaia.com

EV cars should have cost less than ICE counter part, due to battery, R&D, etc. These are unavoidable cost passing onto early adopters. Wouldn't mind EV when auto industry solved charging infra and cost concern in a few decades. Until then, people will enjoy ICE Macan or other Porsche model as long as it's available. Remember in the old days when Plasma TV used to cost an arm/leg as compared to 4k/8k TV to date!

 

Significant ICE and EV Overlap for Macan, Per C&D

A short on-line article in Car and Driver today (Feb. 10, 2020) ...

Porsche Macan Will Keep Gasoline-Engine Version for Three Years as EV Arrives

Despite an all-new EV Macan coming next year, Porsche won't discontinue its internal-combustion-engine version yet.

www.caranddriver.com

... states this:

We can now confirm that we are not just talking about a short overlap. The gasoline-powered model, essentially the current model, will be facelifted to resemble its electric sister model. And it will run for another three years next to the new model, a top-level brand executive has confirmed. Another insider hastens to add that there is some flexibility as to the product cycle: "Such an important car can keep the internal-combustion engine even longer," we are told.

 

The last sentence disappoints me in that article: no PHEV version of the Macan. I was hoping that that would be my next Porsche...

 

The latest March, 2020

Porsche's electric 718 Cayman and Boxster: the CAR dossier

CAR magazine UK has the latest intel and news on Porsche's upcoming electric Cayman and Boxster twins, with prototype images and illustrations of how the production car...

www.carmagazine.co.uk

These guys talked to Porsche last the "virtual" Geneva show. Next gen Macan will be all EV in parts of the world and ICE in others.

 

It looks like Porsche will change the Macan next year. I'm assuming that in a new ICE Macan, they'll put the "haptic" buttons behind shiny glass for controls surrounding the new electronic gear shifter, like in the new-gen Panamera and Cayenne... IF this happens (and it's just speculation now), I'm guess that they might also get rid of the analog speedo and maybe even spread out the instrument panel digitally like in the new Cayenne and Panamera, maybe even offering stuff like night-vision camera.

Possible Porsche Macan mule spied, hiding new platform underneath - Autoblog

The Porsche Macan was just updated for the 2019 model year, but a much more extensive and significant update could be on the way.

www.autoblog.com

 

This shouldn’t have been moved to this thread, OR the title of this thread needs to be changed.

The 2nd gen Macan will be made in EV and ICE versions...

 

Yes, Grim, why did you move this to this thread? I know this thread well and started the new thread on purpose...

 

From the horses mouth, PAG 2019 Annual Report, p. 16 published March 18, announced the board of PAG decided the electric Macan in the next gen in early 2020s. p.19 Next gen Macan will be fully electric. p.88, same info, p.152 EV Macan will be on PPE platform. Axle assembly in Saxony. Nothing about any ICE for the next generation.

Meanwhile, an anonymous photographer allegedly talks to an anonymous "Porsche" insider about a camouflaged mule in an auto blog. Sure, believe that. Get back when you have it from an authoritative source. When Porsche talks to people, it usually someone in Autocar, Like this

Petrol Porsche Macan to continue alongside electric model in 2021 | Autocar

Second iteration of Porsche's mid-size SUV will continue the brand's electrification strategy

www.autocar.co.uk

Which is already in this thread.

Or to Car, like this

Porsche's electric 718 Cayman and Boxster: the CAR dossier

CAR magazine UK has the latest intel and news on Porsche's upcoming electric Cayman and Boxster twins, with prototype images and illustrations of how the production car...

www.carmagazine.co.uk

Regardless, if there is, its still 2nd gen and the information not in multiple threads. And if you think this is all settled, especially after the decimation of the German auto industry in the last month, you might want to rethink that.

How much profit have they made the last month? You think yesterday's plans are the same as today? What is going to change after the entire world's economy has been sunk?

Porsche Eyes Deeper Overhaul as Virus Shatters Industry

The coronavirus effects threatening European supply chains hit manufacturers at a critical time as the industry reels from slowing global demand, tariff threats and stricter emission regulations. ... recouping all the lost sales during the course of the year will be difficult. ... there is no way around electric mobility in the next 10 years,” ... Porsche’s joint effort with sister brand Audi on electric-car technology for models including the Macan SUV helps save 30% in development cost, he said. Deeper collaboration within the VW group and teaming up with technology firms in key markets will also keep Porsche competitive in a fundamentally-changing competitive landscape where software plays a key role, he said.

Porsche Macan EV Production to Start in 2022, Electric Boxster, Cayman Could Follow

The Porsche electric SUV will be built on Porsche and Audi's PPE platform, and the electric Boxster and Cayman will use their own platform.

www.caranddriver.com

• Porsche

  told German publication Automobilwoche that production of the electric Macan will start in 2022.

We are expecting [electric Macan] production to start at the end of 2022," said Michael Steiner, Porsche's executive board member for development.

Porsche now shutdown at least until 4/14

COVID-19 and plant closures: The auto industry's response, potential return dates

Automakers across the US and Europe enacted temporary shutdowns in March, including Detroit's Big Three, but numerous automakers are prepared to head back to work in the weeks to come.

www.cnet.com

Don’t plan on things returning to normal. There could be lasting effects to this crisis.

German Auto Industry Could Lose 100,000 Jobs Because Of Coronavirus | Carscoops

Germany is bracing for long-lasting impacts from the coronavirus and its auto industry won’t emerge unscathed

www.carscoops.com

BTW while the car companies want the emission laws relaxed, the EU seems to want them made more stringent. Who knows how this all falls out?

Coronavirus Spooks European Auto Industry And May Spur Revision Of EU CO2 Rules

European Union CO2 rules forcing sedan and SUV makers to in effect “go electric” by 2030 was always going to end badly for the automotive industry and consumers, but the coronavirus crisis has suddenly brought this to a head.

www.forbes.com

 

Respectfully, Grim, and knowing that there isn’t yet any “official” confirmation on the 2nd Gen Macan ICE, but plenty of rumors and even some spy shots...

This forum is a place for people to discuss, opine and share their interest in the Macan. We aren’t officially tied to Porsche, and as such we can speculate.

It would be good to start a new discussion, separate from this one, about the 2nd Gen Macan potentially being ICE. If more information comes out, it can be added to that thread. If not, no harm no foul, the thread will die an organic death.

I’m willing to bet that there will be a 2nd Gen ICE model. The effects of the coronavirus will probably be to dampen the push to EV as Europe tries to rebuild a shuttered economy.

 

This is the thread for speculation on the second generation Macan. It doesn't matter if its ICE, Hybrid, Hydrogen, Electric, Coal, or wind powered. All discussion remains here. The reasons are simple. People think they found something, which someone else already found, and keep making new threads. All information belongs in one place. This has been discussed years ago over and over again. It just clutters everything up. Every time some auto journalist wants clicks, they just repeat the exact same information, over and over again, with their opinions based on the same source material.

I sense a belief that some people think the corporate trajectories are going to remain Pre-Virus vs Post-Virus, meaning after a vaccine is developed. Some might think life will continue on as normal. Until its developed, I wouldn't bet on anything. It is possible they just keep building ICE cars, slap a new name on it, and call it a day. But if you believe in a Pre-Virus world continuing on as if nothing has happened, then you should read the 2019 annual report. They tell their investors exactly what they intend to do. The company is doing everything in its power to be "sustainable", only sourcing material in its supply chains from "S" vendors, attempting to be zero emissions through their entire production cycle.

In the meantime, speculate away. But I really wouldn't believe anything from an anonymous photographer talking to anonymous "insiders" unwilling to provide actual sourcing. Cause I know someone who was at a meeting who said they heard it from someone familiar with corporate thinking that .... ? But thats up to everyone to believe whatever they believe.

If Porsche were a US company, I would be agreeing that maybe ICE would be continuing on for decades. While medical supply chains can be radically changed and produced internally vice sourced from China, production of Lithium, Graphite, and REE cannot simply because US resources are little to none in comparison to other countries, never mind cobalt from the Congo. But Porsche is a German company with German interests, not US interests. They march to a Brussels drummer.

@ABusLux I've altered the thread title to make this all 2nd generation discussion.

On a side note, this is promising for REE.

The U.S. Needs China For Rare Earth Minerals? Not For Long, Thanks To This Mountain

If the folks at USA Rare Earth have anything to say about it, we'll soon start weaning ourselves off rival powers as our source for those critical elements.

www.forbes.com

 

This is the thread for speculation on the second generation Macan. It doesn't matter if its ICE, Hybrid, Hydrogen, Electric, Coal, or wind powered. All discussion remains here.

@ABusLux I've altered the thread title to make this all 2nd generation discussion.

Thanks @grim! The title change is perfect ?

 

Take one Macan, put it in a crusher...

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Get the latest on new Porsche Taycan models including first drives, in-depth reviews, concept car photos, new features, recalls and more.

www.motor1.com

Voila! Your EV Macan!


I recently read that BMW is reactivating their hydrogen program. You may recall they did a lot of
work with hydrogen powered cars ~20+ years ago. Similar to EV, a large stumbling block is infrastructure
support - charging stations, hydrogen filling stations.

 

Take one Macan, put it in a crusher...

​

Porsche Taycan News and Reviews | Motor1.com

Get the latest on new Porsche Taycan models including first drives, in-depth reviews, concept car photos, new features, recalls and more.

www.motor1.com

​

Voila! Your EV Macan!


I recently read that BMW is reactivating their hydrogen program. You may recall they did a lot of
work with hydrogen powered cars ~20+ years ago. Similar to EV, a large stumbling block is infrastructure
support - charging stations, hydrogen filling stations.

Cool! When BMW came to DC to lobby congress back then, we set up a local liquid hydrogen refueling station since we had cryogenic experience. After attending a 1 hour presentation we were allowed to sign out the modified 750 for short drives. I could detect no difference between gasoline and hydrogen modes, but the primitive GPS display showed us way off the road when we were on a four lane highway. My thinking was at first "OOOOhhhh I'm driving a $100K+ car" then "Meh, I wouldn't spend that much for this" They gave out small water bottles labeled "Exhaust", I still have it unopened in my library. My humble opinion is the hydrogen economy is just like fusion power, several decades away, and always will be.

 

Latest industry info points to a new petrol Macan based on Audi MLB ( like current Q5) and a new so-called "Macan" EV based on another platform. So it's kind of pointless call them both the Macan except for Porsche marketing purposes. I can't imagine they will even look that similar.

 

I keep reading articles like this https://www.motortrend.com/news/future-cars-porsche-macan-ev/

From link -
There will be both conventional, gas-powered Macans and the pure electric model—likely built on different platforms given how incompatible the packaging requirements are.

So is this an attempt to gradually wean us off ICE ? Or is this an admission that they don't want to lose sales and think EV cant survive ?

Also ... what type of gas engine do you think it might be ? I have read nothing to that effect . Will Porsche do as they have done before and go all out to make the car amazing or will it be more like a refresh of the second gen original car ? (much like the 992 is somewhat like a 991.3)

So many questions . What do you guys think ?

 

Maybe it is part heredity but I get such better vibes out of an ICE at 8,000 RPM then any EV at a bazillion RPM. This has a lot to do with soul and thousands of spinning parts.

 

Porsche reaches milestone for new electric Macan production

Porsche announced that it has reached a new production milestone of its new electric Macan at its Leipzig, Germany, factory....

electrek.co

 

2022 Porsche Macan Gets Another Facelift To Keep EV Sibling Company | Carscoops

So just the bumpers and the center console?

 

2022 Porsche Macan Gets Another Facelift To Keep EV Sibling Company | Carscoops

So just the bumpers and the center console?

Any Idea when the facelifted Model will be launched in 2021?

Thanks
Sanjay

 

All the more reason I'm happy I'm getting a 2021 if it's the last year with real buttons.

 

Maybe they should follow Range Rover to offer a free fine piece of cleaning cloth lol

 

The rear bumper looks terrible !

 

This on the other hand ...

Porsche Macan Electric Will Look Exactly Like This

Porsche may have previewed the Macan Electric in a recent easter egg.

carbuzz.com

 

Where’s the exhaust? Lol

 

Looks good and like most performance EV's it should have blistering 0-60 times but unless it has a 500 mi range it wont work for me.

 

I like it. My wife is holding on to her '15 S until the EV arrives, then she'll decide.

 

My OCD of cleaning finger prints would go out of control! Also I’d black out those rear fogs like non other! Yuck