Where's @Theatermax at? He seems fun. :x

I wanna hear more ways he's ever so intensely convinced himself that the X4 is such an artful masterpiece on wheels and the Macan a Suzuki with a Porsche badge.

 

I was next to an X4 yesterday in metallic black. It was not as egregiously disgusting as it is in Melbourne Red with small wheels like in the press pictures but it lacked the presence of the previous X6 and looked cheap and nasty. It didn't look as hideous as it did in the press pics.

Either way, the car must be a hit for BMW here in Australia, I've seen far more of them on the road than the Macan although I guess supply is not an issue with such a er... unique... car.

Also I've noticed so far the Macan has been predominantly driven by male drivers whereas all the X4s I've seen on the road have been female drivers.

 

Someone seemed to point out in that thread that the X4 lacks lots of tech, namely performance tech and luxuries that you can or do get in the Macan as well.

Apparently the X4 doesn't even have an option for LED taillights which is reprehensible.

 

I suspect it doesn't even have proper residuals either0!

 

I really think that "tech" gets used too loosely indeed, by me as well. The Macan has LED Taillights, Heated Rear Seats, A/C seats, Air Suspension, PASM, Adaptive Cruise (avail on X4?) and lots of amenities you can't get on an X4. PDK I consider a feat of mechanical technology that X4 can't touch.

Then you have the extremely comprehensive MFD which has performance tech things like Lateral G monitor, even as simple as TPMS that BMW doesn't activate in the U.S for some stupid reason. Then BMW's have things like "Eco Pro" which it's antithesis to Porsche so they wouldn't waste their time, and some models can be had with LCD gauge cluster which Porsche would never do as their iconic mechanical cluster is what rivets the soul as we all have stared at them and their obscenely high MPH and "dreamt about the day".

Things of value that BMW offers tech wise that Porsche doesn't is HUD, foot kick trunk closer and opener (not sure if on the X4) and a less half-a$$ed keyless starter.

Even though I have a hard time calling the Macan's sunroof a true "Pano" since it's too thin to take up the whole roof, the X4 doesn't even have that option.

So what it comes down to is that too many people confuse "TECH" with "INFOTAINMENT". Tech in a way that still allows you to immerse yourself within the passionate and visceral, mechanical elements, the Macan wins. Infotainment, BMW wins (which is why I avoided that package on the Macan).

 

I really think that "tech" gets used too loosely indeed, by me as well... PDK I consider a feat of mechanical technology that X4 can't touch.

Thumbs up on the PDK. The Macan's literally my first vehicle ("for me") that didn't have a manual transmission, and I expected to be as disappointed in it as with my wife's Audi's DSG. I'm more than very pleasantly surprised: I'm actually impressed with how well it chooses its shifts.

Things of value that BMW offers tech wise that Porsche doesn't is HUD, foot kick trunk closer and opener (not sure if on the X4) and a less half-a$$ed keyless starter.

All of which can be YMMVs of personal preferences. For example, my Presbyopia is bad enough that I'm already on trifocals and as such, HUD is a bad thing for me because it puts a "midrange" focus item into my "far" partition. Similarly, I don't like keyless from a UI as well as urban security standpoints, so my keyfob's already going to be out for opening the trunk - - no foot wiggling stuff.

Infotainment, BMW wins (which is why I avoided that package on the Macan).

I also skipped the Infotainment, despite the 'advice' of the Salesman; no regrets .. plus the $200/year savings helps pay for extra homespun music made by modulating that long skinny pedal on the floor ;-)

 

I will concede that my definition of "tech" as "gizmos and gadgets" is too narrow for a proper definition. Certainly a V6 turbocharged engine, 3.0 or 3.6 liters, generating 340 or 400 HP takes a LOT of technology. And the engine itself it technology (the materials enabling long life and hight output; the VarioCam allowing easy street driving, high power output and good (for an internal combustion engine) efficiency; direct injection; dry-sump lubrication; etc.). The suspension and chassis also involve a lot of technology.

As @-hh says, everything involves tech. I do find that the comfort and convience technology that BMW has (current gen iDrive, HUD, foot activated trunk, heated seat and steering wheel settings being remembered if only stopping for a short time [I believe Porsche has that but I'm not sure who started it?], etc.) are class leading.

When I get in a car the comfort and convenience becomes secondary. I like to feel the road and how the car is behaving on the road. Given the right circumstances (track day, autocross, etc.) I like to push the car to the limit. That's fun for me. And not only does Porsche offer high limits but just as importantly they offer the ability to feel when you're getting near those limits. You get feedback from the car that isn't too subtle or overly subdued. I like that.

Of course even Porsche hasn't (in my limited experience with a Macan test drive - I could be wrong as I here the 981 is much better) gotten the electric steering perfect. It's "OK". I much prefer the hydraulic steering of old but understand why fuel economy pressures have pushed the car-makers into the electric racks. Of course an electric rack also makes more engine power available for drive which is a good thing. I just wish it would allow you to feel 100% connected to the road. Maybe in the future it will.

 

People are buying X4s?

I've been reviewing cars for 15 years, and that model just doesn't compute for me. It's not practical, and it's not attractive.

 

107 Posts about an X4?

really? Why do you guys care one wit about what they think? You know what you got.

 

This. +1

The give a flip meter here is on high alert. Buy what you want. Like what you bought. Everyone else be damned. Trust me, you'll feel better

 

I don't so much care that they bought an ugly @ssed car... I care that they try to rationalize it by badmouthing the Macan. You don't screw with a man's wife, dog or car.

 

I care that they try to rationalize it by badmouthing the Macan. You don't screw with a man's wife, dog or car.

:laugh: dude, life is too short to sweat the small crap. Let it go. ... 0

(I was looking for a use for that icon).

 

Yeah, I know. I'm a pretty stress free person, in general.

 

Owned BMW's for over 20 years. I test drove an X4, X3 and Macan. Just ordered a Macan to replace my 535i. It was an easy decision.

 

Not to stir things up again but guess who ended up on the 15 turkey list

15 Automotive Turkeys

Not trying to hate but obviously interesting on how the general public perceives vs just us.

 

I wouldn't trash BMW after getting my Macan. Actually, I will keep my E46 convertible forever. It is classy and drives/handles well. It brought me into the sports car world from the mass market economical cars.

Porsche is at a different level, the next natural level for avid drivers. It is a level of attainment of driving, taste, appreciation and financial solidity. Every passionate driver is openly or secretly aspiring to its ownership. It is just that for some more fortunate folks they get there earlier than others.

So for me, there is no need for argument either way. You enjoy what you have and let others enjoy what they have. Peace.

 

No thanks to especially the X4 or any X variant really for me (though if I was looking full size, which I never would as they don't appeal to me, then it's only X5 or Cayenne), I'd be ecstatic if my fiancee would find herself in a 328i Sedan to go along with my Macan. I'd even be content with her in a 320i I think.

 

What a great discussion! I'm so delighted to find other people who care about this topic

 

I have been a BMW owner for over 30 years and have owned or leased just about every model they have had except x6 and x4.

I still have two of them, x3 and 528. I got rid of my SL 550 to get the Macan (Which I haven't received yet).

My brother is getting rid of his 5 series to also get a Macan.

As much as I enjoy the BMWs there is no comparison on any level. The Porsche is just plain better and more fun. The BMW interior hasn't changed in decades and is basic boring.

I will still have BMWs in the future but just not as many as I convert to more Porsches.

 

One area where I'd say the BMW trumps the Porsche is the PCM/Nav system. The interface on the M3 I looked at the other day was elegant and gorgeous! Our Macan's is not so pretty, is quirky and pretty dumb about finding points of interest.

 

I was driving in a relatively upmarket but still highly populated area the other day, and it was unreal how many cars were BMW and Mercedes'. And all kinds of models, not just your generic 3 and C Series/Classes. There was an M6 with an M4 right behind it, more M6's, 650's, the first facelift CLS I've seen (yuck), a bunch of new S Classes, your Jane E Class, highly spec'd 3 Series', mundane equipped 5 Series', more Benzes, etc. There were more of them than Toyotas and Hondas. It was pretty interesting.

Being in a Porsche, just felt "cool", as recently I was used to being one of the other M-B's and BMW's. As BMW and Mercedes shake their more enthusiast centric approach to fulfill a transformation into total mass market volume, Porsche becomes the logical next step up for someone who wants something that feels a little more "special", imo.

 

Yes Sir. I would think most on this Forum would agree.

 

.... Macan just doesn't have that presence and uniqueness! ....

That is so true....both beauty and beast do have the 'presence and uniqueness' qualities that will definitely draw attention.

In this case since the Macan is the beauty.....

 

I think I've seen around maybe five or six Macan's in my area. My head still follows it as it passes by. This car really is something special.

 

If I had to look at that dumb swinging pendulum worthless gas consumption gauge on my former BMWs dash again, I'd want to poke oyster forks in my eyes.

 

Every now and then when I am in a gas savings mode I do look at it but for the most part useless.

 

From the link you posted:

"I miss nothing. Check out my thread about how much disliked my Macan i had for 3 weeks.

I love my X4 100X more..

The Macan has more issues than I can name.. Dozens and Dozens of horrid porsche nonsense issues that can't be fixed."

 

From the link you posted:



"I miss nothing. Check out my thread about how much disliked my Macan i had for 3 weeks.



I love my X4 100X more..



The Macan has more issues than I can name.. Dozens and Dozens of horrid porsche nonsense issues that can't be fixed."

Jason, I'm aware and sympathize that you're upset with Porsche. But reviving many old threads to state how bad your very early build is (a tiny fractional unlucky instance) isn't exactly the most productive way to get them to take notice, imo.

 

It's a new model, hiccups will come about. The X4 is basically an X3 with a different shape.

 

My July build/August delivery has been virtually flawless - no issues to date. As for the X4's different shape......it certainly is different (except for its' striking similarity to the Pontiac Aztek).

 

I live in Florida. Ventilates/cooled seats are a must. Knocks out most of the alleged competition!

 

Jason 85255, so sorry you're Macan was bad. Ultimately I think Porsche and BMW makes great vehicles and sometimes there's a poorly made one here and there . Please do enjoy your X4.

We will look for your future posts on the BMW Forums . See ya !

 

Sometimes a car can just tell that it's new owner just wasn't meant for it. Plays sick at every chance and fails to respond to any treatment.

Must be some form of karma.

Probably has a happy new owner now. Was a miraculous recovery!

 

Guys, he doesn't have an X4. That's a quote from the link.

 

I love my Macan X4 more.... or am I suppose to say I love my Macan 4X more,


Anyway I love it four times more than the bimmer

 

Haaaa ! Got it.