So when I read this option description - "Vehicle locking and unlocking as well as engine start without active use of the key" - it seems clear to me that you don't need the key to start the car. However, I've read a couple of posts that say that a "dummy key" is still used to start the engine. My current car has a smart key that I never need to take out of my pocket, and I love it. So is this option really not what Porsche describes and do I need to use a key to start the car? And if so, why even consider this option for $800+??????
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Yes, of course. Everything is reversed in RHD cars. Most know that.Err....never say never....>
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You are right, of course.
Yet, there are an overwhelming number of threads, including in this one, where people write questions such as, "Why is the key on the left?", "Why is it still a key?", "Why is it so ugly?", "Why isn't it a button?", and "I want a button!!!".
I didn't know I wasn't supposed to answer. I'll let you cover it from now on.
Haha. It the "why isn't it a button" that's the tell.
But my BMW has a button ...
and free service tooto be serious for one minute, I think there are a lot of new buyers, some that do like and want to know about heritage but many who just want whatever was on their Acura or Toyota or whatever and just don't care.
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Nope. I have a 2014 X5 and all I have to do is to have the key inside the car and press the Start/Stop button. And I don't have the equivalent to Porsche Entry and Drive. I still have to use the keyfob to unlock the car but not to start the car.
Heck...I have a 2008 Lexus ES that has the start/stop button. Works great until the battery in the remote start to die! All Porsche had to do was buy the hardware from the Japanese/Chine producer, like everyone else does in the industry. I wonder how much of a Porsche comes from Japan or China...or maybe even South Korea?
And aren't Caymans assembled outside of Germany? And aren't Audi's Q5s going to be assembled in Mexico soon?
And aren't Caymans assembled outside of Germany? And aren't Audi's Q5s going to be assembled in Mexico soon?
That's good that they fixed that. I always thought the key+button combo was silly. It's really not a big deal to me either way, but a $25,000 Subaru comes with keyless operation, both doors and ignition.
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Well, you would be amazed on things that came standard in cheaper cars and you have to pay to get in very expensive ones. There has been lots of discussions here regarding Porsche charging $3K for NAV, etc... but I guess that is their strategy. You can get a Macan for $49K but you will miss many things that come standard or very cheap in cheaper cars. Then if you want to add those things to your Porsche you will see the MSRP skyrocketing. I guess it is about priorities. I was able to build a decent Macan S that is aligned with my budget and expectations.
All engines are built in Zuffenhousen. Some were assembled in Finland, some in Germany. Cayennes will be built in Slokavia in MY16 because VAG now owns PAG.
@rhoyle - That was for previous gen BMW's that didn't get keyless entry (aka comfort access). For whatever reason BMW decided to not make keyless standard feature but decided to implement a start push button. I believe all BMW's are now getting keyless standard but I could be wrong.
@MrMarc - If the battery in a Lexus/Toyota key fob goes dead you can hold it up to the start button and you can still start the car. I've had it happen to me.
@MrMarc - If the battery in a Lexus/Toyota key fob goes dead you can hold it up to the start button and you can still start the car. I've had it happen to me.
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@grim @TTCarrera @rhoyle I am certainly one of those who prefers to hear the stereo, hence the Burmester in my build. At the same time, I really like and respect the history that is Porsche, and the fact that they still hold true to it. You can definately have both.
In fact, I would like to get PSE to use sometimes, but the Panamera reviews aren't great. But I would mostly want quality stereo over daily exhaust sound. I would expect the a lot of new Macan owners, first Porsche like myself, also fall on that side of the spectrum.
Some, sure. What I really am trying to articulate is that in the last few months, there have been more and more complaints here. I read more of:
"But my old car did ... whatever" expecting the electronics or whatever luxury feature they had in their old car. I really don't understand why people think Porsche is a luxury brand.
I believe @Nate is correct in this post http://www.macanforum.com/forum/mac...an-general-discussion-forum/24137-help-reducing-my-msrp-turbo-3.html#post390049. Do your drive or do you Drive? And this question is relative to how you spec a car.
Now in your daily commute, if you drive, and I expect Honolulu to be impossible (been there multiple times). You need to take a ferry or something and hit Maui with Magnum PI. And I would expect most people commute maybe 10 miles each way, every day. That is the worst possible thing for the engine. It barely, if at all, get the oil up to temperature. I see neighbors who go out and come back, back and forth some days, 10 times a day on a weekend running errands. I know they are killing their cars. This is why those kind of driving patterns are called severe service.
So if you drive, then crank up the stereo, sit in traffic, etc. Sure, I can see the need to have a quiet car because you just want to get to work, or the store, or wherever.
But if you Drive, then you turn all that stuff off, roll down the windows, and take the long way home ... and smile
But the more I read here lately, I see some complaints and as I predicted back in the winter, there will be people bailing out quickly. There are already used cars on lots. There are new cars on lots. People will figure out they bought they wrong car because of whatever reason they have and buy something else. Its the cycle of life :|
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There might be a few cars on lots in over-allocated areas; I doubt highly there are many used Macans around. There are a lot of people still waiting for months for their order. These things aren't 911's, or even Cayenne's. Porsche has entered a far vaster CUV market here, and by most journalist and owner accounts, they are killing it.
I don't think you are going to see the pattern you think you are. Most people don't even know what a Macan is right now. Wait until the big mags get their hands-on tests out. Wait until the Macan starts winning COTY's in it's category, and maybe even overall.
When people start realizing they can get their hands on a Porsche that drives this well for 65-70K they are going to sell a ton of them, and I don't foresee any dusty lot models for quite some time.
Your mileage obviously varies.
There might be a few cars on lots in over-allocated areas; I doubt highly there are many used Macans around. There are a lot of people still waiting for months for their order. These things aren't 911's, or even Cayenne's. Porsche has entered a far vaster CUV market here, and by most journalist and owner accounts, they are killing it.
I don't think you are going to see the pattern you think you are. Most people don't even know what a Macan is right now. Wait until the big mags get their hands-on tests out. Wait until the Macan starts winning COTY's in it's category, and maybe even overall.
When people start realizing they can get their hands on a Porsche that drives this well for 65-70K they are going to sell a ton of them, and I don't foresee any dusty lot models for quite some time.
Your mileage obviously varies.
There are 8 used cars in the Porsche USA national car search.
I have 5 dealers locally. There are 15 new Macans on their lots. Now "some" might be sold because sometimes dealers put into inventories "sold" cars but that irritates people because they call only to be told the car is sold.
Why are there they? Some are additional cars they were allowed to order, some are certainly cancelled cars, and some are probably the cars were not sold out.
I'm not sure what "over allocated" means. Dealers get what they get. They buy the cars from PCNA and stock them in inventory to sell to their customers. Inventoried cars were not customer specced but dealer specced.
Of course I could be wrong but read some forums of other cars. You can buy 2 or 3 Other SUVs for the price of one Macan Turbo. So those Toyota/Honda etc. buyer might not be high on the list of potential buyers.
I DO agree that the car will be desirable. No doubt at all. But the used car market will quickly start to fill as the first group of buyers become disillusioned. I originally said it would take a year. They will leave for whatever their reasons might be. It will be when the honeymoon is over.
It will, in 3 years, become like the Boxster Cayman market. 2006/2007 Caymans are hitting their third owners, in the high 20s. Sorry but Macan S cars will hit high 30s in 3 years despite those 65K MSRPs. They are making way too many of these cars at 80K/year? You know as the profits roll in, they will increase production, especially since VAG owns them. They could crank out more and more cars, and then the base car will come out.
If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but I don't see how the price of 15 cars staying high. That why I say to Amelen, now is the time to take advantage of the pricing.
Just my opinion ...
You have put forward this proposition on so many occasions and no one is arguing the point. Rather than gleefully monitoring the Macan-used-car-market, making dire predictions about Porsche swamping the market with Macans (something I think that is limited by supply chains and factory capacity) and reviewing the bad daily driving habits of your neighbours leading to low oil temperatures you should seize your wife's 911's keys and go for a drive.
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My Honda has a button on the left...In the 1950s the 24 Hours of LeMans began with a footrace. Ferry Porsche had the mechanics install the key on the left so the driver could reach in and start the engine while still leaping into the car.
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Tens of thousand of race victories since and every one of those Porsches had a key on the left.
Your Porsches of the future will never have a button. Only a key to turn, just like the first ones. It's your new car's heritage. Respect it. Or get a Honda.
Pressed that button for over five years and loved every moment of itMy Honda has a button on the left...
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Do all 15 cars "on the lots" at your local dealers have actual photos and specs of the real car on their websites?
Some dealers will post allocated and locked cars intended for their inventories on their websites, even though the actual car might not arrive for a couple of months. My local dealer does and I've run into that in the past when calling other west coast dealers about a specific car they had (but actually didn't yet).
Yes that is why I said "Now "some" might be sold because sometimes dealers put into inventories "sold" cars but that irritates people because they call only to be told the car is sold."
But its optional and I think they have found out it irritates people.
Here is an example. All cars have vins and all options listed, 2 with pictures. But that doesn't mean to much because its the beginning of the year and they got to take the pictures. Click on the image and up comes the vin and all options.
Click on the other models and the same things happen. All have vins and options but not all actual pictures.
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