[conditionerz]

What kind of quality of life features are you talking about?

Honestly, I wasn't expecting the little things to be so nice like auto windshield wiping, remote heating, traffic light alerts, cameras/sentry mode, base autopilot. I get these are all great features for commuters but man there are some days I really just want to get tf from point A to point B.

I'm starting to sound like I talked myself into the Tesla but it absolutely pains me to pay 55k+ for a car lacking the quality found in cars 15k cheaper

 

[conditionerz]

I've seen some 2015 GTS/Turbos with ~45k miles on them selling for 35k, are these to be avoided?

 

[Opt1k]

Honestly, I wasn't expecting the little things to be so nice like auto windshield wiping, remote heating, traffic light alerts, cameras/sentry mode, base autopilot. I get these are all great features for commuters but man there are some days I really just want to get tf from point A to point B.

I'm starting to sound like I talked myself into the Tesla but it absolutely pains me to pay 55k+ for a car lacking the quality found in cars 15k cheaper

If the only things you are about are bells and whistles then Porsche is not for you. It's nice to get from NYC to Montreal without a touching a steering wheel and if that's what you want. But I personally got Porsche because I needed an SUV to tow a boat but wasn't ready to puke driving it, hence the Porsche.

And at the beginning I was just like you: the first car I checked was model S P85. Then I bought a Porsche because Tesla feels like corolla made of cast iron and Macan feels like it's a Golf R.

 

[Opt1k]

I've seen some 2015 GTS/Turbos with ~45k miles on them selling for 35k, are these to be avoided?

I can't imagine what kind of condition those cars will be in. The cheapest Turbo i've seen here was $37K from private owner and it had like 70-80k miles on it. Also why are you cross-shopping a

 

[carsly]

I don’t think you’ll regret either. Plenty more cars in your future so get whichever talks to you when you drive it. You’ll know....

....and if you don’t get the feelz, then get a Toyota/Honda/Hyundai and enjoy the cost effective transportation. I wouldn’t recommend ever buying a car for “prestige” which is a manufactured illusion.

If you’re caught between the two, a Model Y Performance or Macan S/GTS are within striking range of a lightly optioned Taycan. I haven’t driven one yet, but would be willing to give one a shakedown run — in 3-5 years after someone else eats half the depreciation!

 

[conditionerz]

I can't imagine what kind of condition those cars will be in. The cheapest Turbo i've seen here was $37K from private owner and it had like 70-80k miles on it. Also why are you cross-shopping a

Private sellers and out of state (which I wouldnt mind traveling for) but here's a rough search

"Why pay more when I can get a similar experience for less" mindset

Used Porsche Macan for Sale

The Porsche Macan is a compact luxury crossover SUV that was first introduced in 2014. It was designed to be a smaller and more affordable alternative to the Porsche Cayenne, which had been a huge success for the company. The Macan was built on the same platform as the Audi Q5, but with...

carsandbids.com

 

[conditionerz]

....and if you don’t get the feelz, then get a Toyota/Honda/Hyundai and enjoy the cost effective transportation. I wouldn’t recommend ever buying a car for “prestige” which is a manufactured illusion.

I totally get this and agree, realistically speaking all I need is a 25k Honda to get from point A to point B but just trying to make a stupid decision as smart as possible

 

[Opt1k]

Private sellers and out of state (which I wouldnt mind traveling for) but here's a rough search

"Why pay more when I can get a similar experience for less" mindset

Used Porsche Macan for Sale

The Porsche Macan is a compact luxury crossover SUV that was first introduced in 2014. It was designed to be a smaller and more affordable alternative to the Porsche Cayenne, which had been a huge success for the company. The Macan was built on the same platform as the Audi Q5, but with...

carsandbids.com

I actually found good deal in my area: 2015 Porsche Macan Turbo - Over $26,000 in Options, Unmodified, 400 Horsepower

But I definitely wouldn't buy a car without remaining warranty without seeing it.

 

[Mii]

Macan provides best overall performance, style and build quality in its class. If you are looking for better driving dynamics, Macan is the option. If you don't mind having spirit-detection capability on EV, get Tesla. There are many video evidence on YouTube.

 

[wtmeyer]

I totally get this and agree, realistically speaking all I need is a 25k Honda to get from point A to point B but just trying to make a stupid decision as smart as possible

Lease the Tesla for 3 years, then turn it back in and buy the Macan EV after it has been on the market for a few years so Porsche can work out the inetivable bugs that come with a new model.

 

[Shark]

I DO see an EV in my future, but I tend to keep my vehicles a long time, and the EV tech is improving so rapidly I think it may be premature for me to purchase one.

That being said, I now have three friends with Y Performance models, and the acceleration just blows my Cobb equipped Macan Turbo out of the water for a lot less $. I would almost consider one based on that alone.

But beyond that, the overall Y Performance driving experience is good, but just doesn't match the Macan in terms of comfort and handling. The ride is just way too hard.

And the Y just doesn't have the rich feeling of a Macan interior. Just feels so bare bones.

Most infuriating is all the menus you need to go through for certain features. It's like Tesla forgot it's a car and not a computer.

My final concern is one I don't hear much discussion about. What happens with servicing out of warranty Teslas? Keep hearing how difficult parts can be to get, and that very few independent garages will work on them. Is that going to translate to crazy repair costs when there is no alternative but dealer service?

And what happens when you are nowhere near a dealer? At least with the Macan, a well equipped indy, especially one specializing in European cars, is going to be able to make most repairs. From what I've read Tesla is about as uncooperative with independent garages as can be. And the most reliable aftermarket warranty companies don't seem to offer policies on Teslas whereas you can get decent 10 year coverage on a Porsche.

All that being said, I still find it a blast to drive a car with that kind of acceleration capability, especially at that price. And I like that EV's have a much simpler normal maintenance schedule, and don't mind the idea of sticking it to the oil companies and oil cartels and reducing our dependence on oil. Still an interesting idea, but I'm not yet ready to make the jump.

 

[Opt1k]

and don't mind the idea of sticking it to the oil companies and oil cartels and reducing our dependence on oil.

Oh, I am sure when we go 100% electric tesla will make sure electricity cost is capped at 11c/kwh forever.

 

[jzwu]

Tesla is much simpler than any ICE car. Aside from the computer, battery and the electric motors everything else is same as a regular car. Parts may be a valid concern though, since Tesla never seems to be able to meet the demand. So parts availability can be an issue.

 

[Fast_Eddie]

 

[wwahl]

No where in tis discussion do I see my most important problem, which is range anxiety. There is no where near the proper refilling stations for the sewing machines. This is aside the fact that the sounds just aren't there that excite my ears.

 

[CSBE]

As a Tesla stock holder, please by a Tesla. As a car enthusiast don't buy a Tesla. The build quality of Tesla is just mediocre and there's no excuse for it. I've test driven a Model 3 twice and just can't get past the fit and finish despite the tech. I'll also add that with VW's entry into the EV market and many others like Ford there's soon to be a better car made by a car manufacturer.

 

[irysfan]

Almost wish they just came out with the Macan EV already, I'm looking to get a new car in about 3 months. Maybe I should just get the Tesla for the long run and grab a 718/911 later on haha

Interesting that you said that because I was about to suggest the same - get the Telsa now because it should meet your current needs & interests better. For the driving experience, get the 718/911 later to see if you like or care about that. Macan gives a more limited experience from both worlds. It's great if you plan to only have 1 car at a time, and care enough about the driving to give up on some important elements of everyday practicality e.g. cargo space, rear seat room, mpg, etc. I personally will never touch an EV because I don't consider it a real car from a driving experience pov and I need a car that can travel long distance without waiting a long time to recharge.

 

[ChopperBob]

Well, I vote for the Porsche. I owned a Model Y Performance very briefly and had a pretty bad experience. Tesla's post-sale customer service is horrific. While I was attracted to the tech of the Tesla and the instant acceleration, sliding all over the seat in turns wasn't great and the sound and handling of the Porsche is a much more enjoyable ride.

The story of how my Tesla broke hard within the first hour of ownership and how I returned it is posted here: Towed back to Tesla after driving only 32 miles...

It took Tesla 4 months to fix the car and put it back on the market.

I used to be a Tesla fan until I bought one.

 

[jzwu]

With the Model Y money I’d rather add a bit more and get a base 718.

 

[Wolverine]

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I have no skin in this game as I don’t own a Tesla nor do I plan on buying one anytime in the near future.

But in fairness to Tesla I would point out that the study you were quoting involves model year 2017 vehicles, well before the model Y was introduced.

if you actually dig into the JD Power data you will see that the issues model Y owners are reporting are substantially related to body and interior fit and finish. One of JD Power‘s executives even took the time to make the point Tesla power trains are actually very reliable. Body panels that don’t fit well are not going to leave you stranded somewhere.

Not trying to make excuses for Tesla. They’ve had more than enough time to resolve their build quality issues. They should just hire some laid off Ford, General Motors, and Chrysler engineers who can teach them how to assemble a car. They certainly have the money to be able to do that now they are no longer operating on a shoestring.

Four of my friends including two neighbors now own Model Y’s. All four of them have had to bring her car back to the dealer to resolve build quality issues. but in each case the dealer did resolve the issues and all four of them are enthusiastic owners.

Interesting that you did not show owner satisfaction data, where Tesla scores quite highly.