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For a section dedicated to the future Macan EV this place doesn’t appears to be behind this car in the slightest which is kind of sad. You would think people would be excited at the prospect of a new Porsche but the opposite is true. ☹
A couple of questions …. Dont google the answers, dont cheat
  1. Will a Macan EV be your first Porsche?
  2. What is the title of this thread? At least a few words
  3. What is Porsche AG most famous for?
  4. What was the model name of the car prior to the 911?
  5. What is Porsche SE?
Bonus question … what are the Porsche Curves?

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What is the result of our long running poll about interest in the EV?


How is my new survey doing compared to 2023 US Macan sales?

 
A couple of questions …. Dont google the answers, dont cheat
  1. Will a Macan EV be your first Porsche?
  2. What is the title of this thread? At least a few words
  3. What is Porsche AG most famous for?
  4. What was the model name of the car prior to the 911?
  5. What is Porsche SE?
Bonus question … what are the Porsche Curves?

————

What is the result of our long running poll about interest in the EV?


How is my new survey doing compared to 2023 US Macan sales?

1: Will this be my first Porsche? No I have had a total of 4 Porsches in the past and currently have a sweet little 2003 Boxster S as my go to when the weather is nice and don’t intend to sell so might have a couple in the family if I keep my order on the Macan. Brother currently drives the Taycan CT 4S.

I have had a more unique owning experience than most here, I have a son who’s in a wheelchair and in the UK someone with this disability means that they can buy a car without VAT, something which could be done yearly in the past and I took full advantage of this, he’s now 24 and in those 24 years I have had a total of 22 cars through this scheme, so my experience of multiple makes and models is vast. I’m new here but I haven’t posted on any other part of the forum because I am interested in the Macan EV and actually have a £5K deposit down for one, have had since the order book opened, I believe I was #3 in their list.

2: Something about a lot of ranting which there definitely has been I think we can all agree on, funnily not too much about the car which was my point. :(

3: Pretty sure it’s cars, racing, some could argue their air-cooled boxer engine but I would like to think mostly innovation.

4: 356 Made famous by one James Dean, but in my opinion their most famous car was the Beetle.

5: The Parent family, sorry company or holding group.

Bonus question those famous curves at Le Mans.

Not actually sure your point but I do know mine, this should be a celebration of another Porsche car, another technical marvel which it will be but the amount of negativity is quite sad, sure I get quite a few aren’t thrilled about the prospect of the death of petrol cars in the distant future but we are talking years from now and possibly never if synthetic fuel getting into full production as a replacement for fossil fuel which is coming to an end quicker then most here believe is possible.

Don’t view EV as a replacement view it as an addition to multiple propulsion choice in the future along side synthetic and hydrogen.

Let’s drop the negativity and embrace an exciting future for the automobile with so many possibilities.
 
4: 356 Made famous by one James Dean, but in my opinion their most famous car was the Beetle.
James Dean crashed his “cursed” 550 but ✅ you got the gist, their fame is racing and this one thread is about ranting. It was purposely split off from another thread to “ confine” this kind of discussion into one place rather than have negativity spew into everwhere. Confining it allows all other threads to stay OT. Posts are moved here constantly. There is a method to this ;) and staying OT is part of the rules to ensure order. Of course there will be resistance to this, its not about racing, its a bigger move than becoming water cooled rather than air cooled or building the Cayenne, and a huge move away from their roots. Of course some people will view it negatively. Some will love it and embrace it and some will hate it and walk away. This is the general ev subforum. A separate subforum exists for members interested in the ev. And I have since created and opened all the corresponding technical subforums. Its up to you, that is, the generic you, to post your builds, orders, questions, complaints appropriately and build out those subforums.
 
James Dean crashed his “cursed” 550 but ✅ you got the gist, their fame is racing and this one thread is about ranting. It was purposely split off from another thread to “ confine” this kind of discussion into one place rather than have negativity spew into everwhere. Confining it allows all other threads to stay OT. Posts are moved here constantly. There is a method to this ;) and staying OT is part of the rules to ensure order. Of course there will be resistance to this, its not about racing, its a bigger move than becoming water cooled rather than air cooled or building the Cayenne, and a huge move away from their roots. Of course some people will view it negatively.

Some will love it and embrace it and some will hate it and walk away. It is what it is.
No one is expecting everyone to either embrace EVs or be thrilled about them but this is a brand new Porsche which should get some more excitement than we are currently seeing. I remember when the Cayenne was introduced, I actually had one of the first to land on our shores and at that time it was only available of the steel springs because the air was being saved for the Turbo, the hatred for that car was thick and yet most of them couldn’t get the whole concept that without this car Porsche were going bankrupt, in their eyes that was better than this beast tarnishing the great name of Porsche.

The world is ever changing and so companies have to adapt, this is nothing different to that Cayenne all those years ago, Porsche are adapting to new trends and at the same time innovating new fuel technologies to keep the existing cars still relevant which is wonderful. Like I said above this are exciting times ahead for the automobile and we all need to be a little more open minded to new possibilities. 👍

Rant over. ;)
 
Here is the problem. Auto buyers in the US, the majority of them are NOT enthusiasts. We here are a Tiny fraction of the Macan community and a very tiny fraction of those who buy autos. In no way are we representative. For the majority, cars are expensive appliances, nothing more, nothing less. The big decision is "what color?" and "how much are the payments".

Here its much more nuanced. Enthusiasts, regardless of which side you are on in this discussion, are extreme in that they represent the far end, several standard deviations from the norm, either side of the normal curve. Meanwhile, the majority, the normal, don't care on wit about the car, other than the need it go get to work, school, shopping, etc.

And no, "its not the future", that depends upon a personal POV. I've been told fly cars were the future 50 years ago. Still waiting. I was told Laserdiscs were the future, I bought a player, cutting edge, early adopter and got burned. CDs? Cassettes? WAVE of the future. DVRs? WAVE of the future, none of it has been true.

Technology advances far too fast. 50 years ago who could believe you could heat up or cook a dinner in a "microwave" in 3 minutes when cooking took HOURS? Just 30 years ago whoever would have believed you don't need to watch TV live, don't need a cassette recorder, but could be watching anything you want, on your phone, in 4K, anytime???

Its a big mistake to "predict" anything is the future, especially when its in its infancy.

I went into photography for awhile, bought professionally type equipment, I knew digital, over time, would replace film as the resolution of sensors got better, and now all that expensive glass don't really matter cause my $1K phone takes just as good a picture for 95% of things.

Time marches on and technology gets better and better and better. I would not bet on anyone thing. Choice is the best of all and decide for yourself. Choose wisely.
The wisdom of age, great rational argument you have presented
 
I remember when the Cayenne was introduced ... the hatred for that car was thick and yet most of them couldn’t get the whole concept that without this car Porsche were going bankrupt
I believe the Cayenne helped, but I believe It was ex-toyota employees that taught Porsche JIT inventory followed up by the release of the 986, as R&T describes below, was the first answer.


"While the management team at Porsche agreed that a relatively inexpensive roadster was what the company needed, it knew it had to find a more efficient way to build the car. In 1992, Porsche turned to former Toyota engineers to help implement the Japanese company's "just-in-time" production method. ... the Boxster was a runaway success"

Sure its true the air-cooled crowed hated the Cayenne and certainly the Cayenne improved the bottom line

Between 1996 and 2003, the Boxster was Porsche's best-selling model until the Cayenne came along. And by 2007, buoyed by a growing lineup, Porsche had become the most profitable automobile manufacturer in the industry on a per-unit basis.

By the late 90s, SUVs in America were taking over from MiniVans. They started small and grew into monsters, like the Escalade and H1 Hummer. America loves everything BIG. From Porsche, they realized sports cars alone wouldn't cut it.


Interestingly enough, they really didn't understand what America wanted despite the Minivans. From a Reddit AMA from a Porsche Employee



If you look through it, they didn't understand Americans needed cupholders 😂 and BIG ONEs :ROFLMAO:

The world is ever changing and so companies have to adapt, this is nothing different to that Cayenne all those years ago
There is a HUGE difference, a MASSIVE Difference. In the early 90s they were dying because they didn't understand the marketplace and modern manufacturing techniques. They had to have the Japanese teach them. They had to replace the 924/944 ... line with something similar to the Miata or MR2. They could not exist by the 911 along.

These are MARKET forces, FREE ENTERPRISE. People had choices.

Today its NOT MARKET FORCES. Its FORCED on Europe by their laws, for whatever reasons they chose, they do so by legislation. Porsche HAVE NO WILLING CHOICE. Thats vastly different than changing things because the market would not buy their cars anymore.

CHOICE IS GOOD. Mandates BAD 🚫

I see Zero mandates in the US despite all the hype. Goals, yes, forced legislation? No. Its totally unlike Europe. Without electrifying, Porsche would be forced out of business by European politicians, not by the free market. This is COMPLETELY different than PAG in the 1990s/early 2000s

Sorry, I have to disagree with your premise.
 
I believe the Cayenne helped, but I believe It was ex-toyota employees that taught Porsche JIT inventory followed up by the release of the 986, as R&T describes below, was the first answer.


"While the management team at Porsche agreed that a relatively inexpensive roadster was what the company needed, it knew it had to find a more efficient way to build the car. In 1992, Porsche turned to former Toyota engineers to help implement the Japanese company's "just-in-time" production method. ... the Boxster was a runaway success"

Sure its true the air-cooled crowed hated the Cayenne and certainly the Cayenne improved the bottom line

Between 1996 and 2003, the Boxster was Porsche's best-selling model until the Cayenne came along. And by 2007, buoyed by a growing lineup, Porsche had become the most profitable automobile manufacturer in the industry on a per-unit basis.

By the late 90s, SUVs in America were taking over from MiniVans. They started small and grew into monsters, like the Escalade and H1 Hummer. America loves everything BIG. From Porsche, they realized sports cars alone wouldn't cut it.


Interestingly enough, they really didn't understand what America wanted despite the Minivans. From a Reddit AMA from a Porsche Employee



If you look through it, they didn't understand Americans needed cupholders 😂 and BIG ONEs :ROFLMAO:



There is a HUGE difference, a MASSIVE Difference. In the early 90s they were dying because they didn't understand the marketplace and modern manufacturing techniques. They had to have the Japanese teach them. They had to replace the 924/944 ... line with something similar to the Miata or MR2. They could not exist by the 911 along.

These are MARKET forces, FREE ENTERPRISE. People had choices.

Today its NOT MARKET FORCES. Its FORCED on Europe by their laws, for whatever reasons they chose, they do so by legislation. Porsche HAVE NO WILLING CHOICE. Thats vastly different than changing things because the market would not buy their cars anymore.

CHOICE IS GOOD. Mandates BAD 🚫

I see Zero mandates in the US despite all the hype. Goals, yes, forced legislation? No. Its totally unlike Europe. Without electrifying, Porsche would be forced out of business by European politicians, not by the free market. This is COMPLETELY different than PAG in the 1990s/early 2000s

Sorry, I have to disagree with your premise.
We are all pointing the finger at governments for pushing EV agenda but no one seems to be questioning why this is and that amazes me. What is the real reason?

Every brand is heavily involved in their development right across the world, you look at China and they are probably leading the drive towards EV greater than any other country despite being late to the party. There has to be a logical reason for this shift beyond the claim it’s to do with climate change.
 
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Take your question elsewhere on the internet
You said Forced on Europe by their laws hello who makes those laws? :unsure:

What exactly is the difference between saying forced by the laws and saying the G word. This isn’t political just a fact, if you prefer I will use your wording we can point the finger at the laws to promote EV being forced on us but why has it been made law?

That is the question I am asking, this has to do with the amount of fossil fuel we are currently using, why are we being pushed away for it?

We can’t stick our heads in the sand and ignore this question, there must be a reason?
 
That is the question I am asking, this has to do with the amount of fossil fuel we are currently using, why are we being pushed away for it?
I've edited this response, the last one was too brusque. I Advise you read Rule 8 and https://www.macanforum.com/threads/read-this-before-posting.184034/

"Pay attention to rule 8 "NO political/controversial posts are permitted, except when directly related to the Porsche Macan". Meanwhile the company has formed a new forum

www.politicaltownhall.com
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Its pretty much all inclusive for about any subject. So, if you've got some conspiracy theory, political comment, etc. go there or somewhere else. Any such discussion in this forum will be removed and action possibly taken on your account. Zero tolerance.


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grim
 
For a section dedicated to the future Macan EV this place doesn’t appears to be behind this car in the slightest which is kind of sad. You would think people would be excited at the prospect of a new Porsche but the opposite is true. ☹
You are at an enthusiast website who are passionate about cars and how they sound and make you feel when you drive them. Sorry to say but that is not a key feature of the Macan EV. Technology is not a strong suit for Porsche if you want that get an Audi. a Porsche is known for handling not straight line speed which seems to be all you get from a ev.
 
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You are at an enthusiast website who are passionate about cars and how they sound and make you feel when you drive them. Sorry to say but that is not a key feature of the Macan EV. Technology is not a strong suit for Porsche if you want that get an Audi. a Porsche is known for handling not straight line speed which seems to be all you get from a ev.
I just find it odd that the amount of negative posts towards a car that most say they have no interest in or is it a case that secretly they are interested but don’t want to come out and admit it.
 
So much for getting an incentive for Porsche.
Isn't tax credit only applied to cars assembled in NA?
  • Be assembled in North America
  • Have a sticker price (MSRP) of less than $55,000 for cars and $80,000 for SUVs and trucks

Policy makers don't think certain brand need tax credit. Likewise, even if Porsche or other foreign auto brand achieved zero emission with future ICE edition, it won't get the tax credits!
 
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