[Shark]

Except for PIWIS. Unless the guy up the street can talk to Stuttgart, you will not get all the routine campaigns done, which you might never see. And which your dealer does free.

eg http://www.macanforum.com/forum/eng.../forum/engine-technical-discussion/69490-macan-campaigns-interesting-issue.html

6 campaigns listed here including pdk updates. How will
they reprogram the pdk without knowing what to do or how?

awd campaign listed

WE52 listed

WF61 listed

more listed here https://www.edmunds.com/porsche/mac...rsche/macan/2015/long-term-road-test/2015-porsche-macan-20000-mile-service.html

16 TSBs listed here https://www.automd.com/recall-tsb/search?question=macan

Can anyone with PIWIS see what campaigns are outstanding?

 

[ebs]

Can anyone with PIWIS see what campaigns are outstanding?

Kinda - you can see that there are campaigns outstanding and you don't even need PIWIS tester itself - just go PIWIS TSI website, register and enter your VIN.

 

[ken35806]

MY Porsche dealer also sells BMWs, and the BMW services are FREE. Pretty much the same demographics. I doubt they send a mechanic to Germany to learn oil changes and brake bleeding! As for due diligence, I have owned Mercedes, BMW, Saab, RX7, the large Lexus, and a slew of other pricey cars, and none make cash cows out of their buyers. Yes, I do my own work when I can. Having said that, I would not trade back from my Porsche to other marques, but it is unlikely I will buy another Porsche from this local joker.

 

[RidgeRunner0207]

Most "PORSCHE" buyers have to be affluent, otherwise you cannot afford the brand.

"PORSCHE" is just doing their best to make you wallet as empty as possible to support the overpriced brand we all bought.

Just as a kick in pants, I just got my daughter a brand new KIA SOUL, it has Heated Front and Rear Seats, Heated Steering Wheel, Cooled Front Seats, Apple Car-Play, Navigation, Pano Roof, Harmon Cardon Stereo, 5/60 Bumper to Bumper, 10/100 Drive train, it has lane keep assist, blind spot alert, crash avoidance, all kinds of features.

It beats Porsche on JD Power.

It was $26500...........and has almost everything my $87k Macan does as far as equipment/options.

Is it a Porsche...........nope............but it just goes to show that PORSCHE is really good at getting deep into your pockets.

3 year maintenance all inclusive was $639 !!!!

That is one Porsche Oil Change............LOL

 

[ken35806]

Frankly, if you blame people who buy Porsches for expecting to be treated with respect and not as cash cows, YOU are to blame. One word for you: Doodoo, brah.

 

[RidgeRunner0207]

Not sure what you even said ??

All I am saying is the brand is great........just overpriced.

Like all luxury brands, some have great quality, great dealer experiences, etc.

Its the price of admission into the club........some earn their way in and some simply are born into the club.

That is most of the difference..........people who become affluent.........vs born affluent.

DOOODOOO BRAH !!!!

LOL

 

[grim]

MY Porsche dealer also sells BMWs, and the BMW services are FREE.

No, your service at BMW is not free. You paid for that service when buying the car new. You don't really think that they gave you something for nothing, do you? That "free" service is a sunk cost. If you dump the car before the term, you lose the money. They know that. Its win win for them, and lose lose for you.

But it sure does look good to new buyers thinking they are getting something for nothing. Good marketing. Poor for the customer who sells his car early.

Pretty much the same demographics.

No, the demographics are vastly different. This article says the mean household income across the BMW line is $163,000, ranging from $140,000 for 3-series buyers to $260,000 on the 7-series.

In 2006, from porsche, it was around $400 for the 911, $260 for Boxster. You can find articles on this. Currently I've read around $480K. Sooner or later these kind of discussions always pop up.

They give BMWs away with their leases. They are in every middle income house, all over the place. They did well with their "free service" marketing.

In terms of pyschographics, they are much different.

BMW BMW Segmentation, Targeting and Positioning - Research Methodology

Aspiring ... Makes sense, got to get that Bimmer in the driveway.

Porsche

http://www.mcafee.cc/Classes/BEM106/Papers/2004/Porsche.pdf (an example, there are papers all over the net referring to an original study) Note in 2001 avg income was $310

Top Guns
Elitists
Proud Patrons
Bon Vivants (Jet setters)
Fantasists

Celebrities buy Porsches and change colors on a whim. Some collect them. Some owners, a 911 Turbo S is the DD while the 488 is their toy. Some have collections with their 918, Carrera GT and buy a GT4 for their kids HS graduation. The difference is vast. Porsche = niche. BMW = huge.

Just saying here, no the brands are no where near alike, not in buyer demographics, incomes, or about anything else. That is the only point.

Read How to Segment Your Target Market: Porsche Case Study - Stephen Zoeller's Marketing Blog

I like the Bon Vivants segment. Who doesn't want to be a jet setter? Buy a Panny for the weekend, pick up a Cayenne Turbo S for skiing, then a 911 Turbo for the mountains?

And the interesting thing is Bon Vivant are a real group of buyers.

I can understand a new set of buyers into the brand from other marques not understanding this but its very real. I don't mean to come across the wrong way but these two brand are vastly different. You might want to read this article http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...com/2013/11/avoidable-contact-cayenne-wont-help-ya-cayenne-wont-do-you-no-good/ It explains why one author thinks the Macan might not make it in the market place as SUV buyers from other brands buy into the Porsche brand and their expectations are vastly different. This might make sense to you.

If you come into the marque with a set of expectations, then you might be disappointed.

 

[Shark]

Their master mechanics are trained in Germany

I'm curious where you came across this information.

 

[grim]

I'm curious where you came across this information.

PCNA runs class in coordination with UTI in two location in the US paid for by PCNA http://www.uti.edu/partners/porsche. You must already be an ASE Master Mechanic. There is also a training center in Germany Porsche About the apprenticeship - Porsche AG

The other thing to remember is that PAG guarantees that models entering their classic program, which I believe is 10 years from the end of the production run, they will fix. So who is going to fix those 356s, 914s, and 928s, the kid from Quick Lube R Us? I don't know if BMW has a similar program.

 

[K-A]

MY Porsche dealer also sells BMWs, and the BMW services are FREE. Pretty much the same demographics. I doubt they send a mechanic to Germany to learn oil changes and brake bleeding! As for due diligence, I have owned Mercedes, BMW, Saab, RX7, the large Lexus, and a slew of other pricey cars, and none make cash cows out of their buyers. Yes, I do my own work when I can. Having said that, I would not trade back from my Porsche to other marques, but it is unlikely I will buy another Porsche from this local joker.

Lmao. Same demographics? Most BMW's are 240 HP $299 a month leased 3 Series'. And they sell closer to Toyota numbers than they do Porsche.

Again, I'm a prime example of finding ways to pay less. But some of you like to complain and act like this is the first time you've been hit with "luxury tax." Wait until you may get an RR or Ferrari in the future. All of a sudden, Porsche looks like a value brand. MB and BMW have ubiquitous cars at every stoplight, charging them near Porsche numbers for service, so who's ripping who off? My moms C Class on paper and in driving pleasure is comparable to a Kia, yet her repairs and service are far more. My Macan's relative performance and cachet is a value compared to that. A key metric to why you want the Porsche badge is due to their actions to keep the brand exclusive, thus revered. And a key reason we love to drive Porsche's is because they reinvest those margins to ensure their cars drive, perform and feel like no other.

It's just a little funny when we Macan drivers, who found the cheapest way to get into this storied brand, complain about cost of living with said brand. As, if this brand wasn't so historically expensive, literally rich thus able to spend on engineering methods others won't, and out of reach to the masses, we probably wouldn't flock to it as we do once we get a taste of it just barely becoming within out reach (be it in what we can, or choose to afford in budget).

 

[Shark]

PCNA runs class in coordination with UTI in two location in the US paid for by PCNA Porsche | Automotive Technician Training Elective | UTI. You must already be an ASE Master Mechanic. There is also a training center in Germany Porsche About the apprenticeship - Porsche AG

The other thing to remember is that PAG guarantees that models entering their classic program, which I believe is 10 years from the end of the production run, they will fix. So who is going to fix those 356s, 914s, and 928s, the kid from Quick Lube R Us? I don't know if BMW has a similar program.

I was questioning the claim that Master Technicians are trained in Germany, which I was fairly certain was not true. Sounds like something a salesperson might tell a potential customer, or perhaps a service advisor might tell a customer to justify the high prices.

I was aware of the PTAP in Easton PA as I'm not far from there. And it's funny, when I had the Macan serviced at the dealer, I overheard a conversation between a customer who had recently taken Euro Delivery and a Master Technician (at least that's what it said on his shirt). The customer was describing Germany and the Master Technician mentioned that he had always wanted to visit but had never been there.

I did read the apprenticeship link you provided. It's not completely clear, but it looks like its for vocational training for potential corporate employees versus dealer techs brought in from around the world.

Forgive me for being so "anti car dealer" but it's merely a result of several decades of experiences with dealers willing to tell you anything to get you to buy. Unfortunately it's no different at Porsche. Sure there are some very good dealers, but even they have some unscrupulous salespeople.

 

[RidgeRunner0207]

I guess its all about whether you want to get your hands "dirty" or even can get your hands "dirty"

I have been in love with cars since 1984, a year before I got my drivers license I was in love with fast cars, and I am also curious as to how they work, so for me to "WANT" to work on my own vehicles is a natural thing for me.

I also have had my cars and trucks worked on under warranty, I am one of those owners who marks my filters and parts prior to a dealer visit for warranty work and the person who asks to see the old parts before leaving.

Many times the work performed was "OK", clips broken, bolts difficult to get to and install after the warranty work for brackets were left off, zip ties because things get broken during "SERVICE"

My Wife's Audi A4 is a testament to German Quality......201K miles, I just replaced a cracked vacuum line, intake and valve cover gaskets, upper/lower radiator hoses, coolant flush, serpentine belt, oil service with filter.

Cost me under $500 total, took me about 8 hours, I was not killing myself either.

So for those who want to work on it themselves it makes sense, if you can do the work.

Some people just can't do it so they get to pay the exorbitant prices !!

I have offered members here who are close enough to Charleston use of my lift and shop as a courtesy to fellow owners........my offer still stands, but owning a vehicle is more than just putting fuel into the tank and starting up, you either love them or you don't.

 

[.101354]

Wonderful post. I totally agree. For those that desire for the dealership to do the work then just accept the prices and go on with your life.
No one is born knowing how to do basic mechanical work on a car----but they can always learn. As I have.
By doing it myself, not only do I save a little money, but I also have a chance to do little "inspections" that can be so valuable. I call it my bonding time

 

[jzwu]

After warranty period, I probably will take my Macan to a friend's house for oil changes. He has a lift in the garage.

During warranty period, I will let dealer do it and check for warranty repairs/software updates/TSB's.

 

[ken35806]

surprise

I am surprised to learn that Porsche is in fact really the Walmart of high-end service providers. I bought the Macan because it is not just fun, it is practical. I doubt I could haul 10 bags of mulch in anything Porsche makes that is this quick. I can afford any Porsche and I can afford having all my services done at Porsche, but I did not reach that state in life throwing money away, and in my opoinion using the Porsche service department in my town for routine services such as oil changes falls into that category. I appreciate your POV, but I do not share it.

 

[ken35806]

Yes, it is. I live in a relatively small community and have used this shop for years with my Lexus; I know the manager. I gave them advance notice and I was allowed to watch the process, which I had done once myself. I know maintenance rather well, as I worked in that field for 30 years, and I have no worries about using this little business. Frankly, I deeply distrust our local Porsche service department and would if needed drive to one of two nearby cities to have the work done before I would this local Porsche shop. I can afford to do whatever I want, and what I want is to not waste my money. If I needed warranty or recall work done, or something serious needed correction, I would bite the bullet and use Porsche.

 

[grim]

I doubt I could haul 10 bags of mulch in anything Porsche makes that is this quick.

Sorry not true.

Macan cargo space is 17.7/53. Cayenne is 23.6/60.9 Not only that but the Cayenne can carry five AND is faster than the Macan.

 

[ken35806]

I said quick, not fast. But I am surprised the Cayenne is faster than the Macan, as I just read Macan turns a 4.6 zero to 6o and a Cayanne does it in 6.2. Probably depends on all kinds of things, and my Macan seats 5, maybe not as comfortably as the Cayenne. I would not kick a Cayenne out of bed, but it is too big for my needs and not as easy on my eyes. You like one, I like the other! Enjoy!

 

[jzwu]

Regular Cayenne is as fast as the Macan base. However, the Cayenne Turbo S is an entirely different beast.

Frankly, they shouldn't even be called the same model IMO.

 

[grim]

I said quick, not fast. But I am surprised the Cayenne is faster than the Macan, as I just read Macan turns a 4.6 zero to 6o and a Cayanne does it in 6.2. Probably depends on all kinds of things, and my Macan seats 5, maybe not as comfortably as the Cayenne. I would not kick a Cayenne out of bed, but it is too big for my needs and not as easy on my eyes. You like one, I like the other! Enjoy!

You said "I doubt I could haul 10 bags of mulch in anything Porsche makes that is this quick."

A Cayenne Turbo S will eat any Macan for lunch, spit it out, and then go rock crawling. It will haul more, carry more people comfortably, and run a sub 8:00 Ring time while waving CYA to any Macan while doing a 3.8 0 - 60, if 0 to 60 times are meaningful in real life. Just saying, I know you don't like your dealer but your perception of the brand, its tiny size, and now the models, does not appear correct as stated. So yes, Porsche does make quicker vehicles that haul more. You get what you pay for.