[jzwu]

Just got the formal response from Sharkwerks in Fremont.


Sorry Yuan,
No we don't and haven't tried yet - I would try The Rennshop.

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On 4/14/2015 2:38 PM, Yuan wrote:

Hello,

I wonder if you install lowering springs for the 2015 Macan S.

The lowering springs are from H&R and my Macan S has the steel suspension with PASM.

Thanks!

Yuan

 

[Enilder]

IMO, from day-to-day usage, AS is the way to go. I have other reasons to not order AS on my vehicle (maintenance aside) but I won't open that can of worms.

 

[K-A]

PASM vs AS

Darn, I have got the H&R lowering springs but couldn't find a good shop to install them. Called a few local dealers, most won't do aftermarket stuff but one would do it for a freak'n $2400!

It has crossed my mind more and more now I should've just ordered the AS and be done with the 1" drop.

This is very odd to me how much trouble you're having. But why I ordered AS. $1,340 (after PASM), improved dynamics in all combined respects from my personal observations, lowering without having to deal with aftermarket, thus no headaches (unless it starts acting up ). Someone's gotta be able to do it around you though.

 

[jstrasser]

Ditto...these threads are super fun to read while I wait for my Macan....but only reason I got AS was for the lower stance....that's all...anything else is just gravy.

 

[pwynn]

Those threads about AS are getting tiresome.

I agree with K-A that AS is an improvement over PASM and steel may it be for daily driving, off road and even on track.

But who really cares about track use of AS when the vast majority of Macan buyers will never track their Macans.

The people who argue against AS probably:
- are pissed because they did not order it
- did not order it because it was to expensive
- are living in the past
- should stay away from a Macan and buy another Porsche

 

[KC26]

Not to beat a dead horse, but if on the off chance you are one of the Macan owners like myself who might track the vehicle, the MUST HAVE option is PTV, I don't think I can stress that enough.

 

[EJK]

Ditto...these threads are super fun to read while I wait for my Macan....but only reason I got AS was for the lower stance....that's all...anything else is just gravy.

I am in the same "boat". (or perhaps "car" is the appropriate word to use in this Forum). I also like the lower stance.

 

[jzwu]

Those threads about AS are getting tiresome.

I agree with K-A that AS is an improvement over PASM and steel may it be for daily driving, off road and even on track.

But who really cares about track use of AS when the vast majority of Macan buyers will never track their Macans.

The people who argue against AS probably:
- are pissed because they did not order it
- did not order it because it was to expensive
- are living in the past
- should stay away from a Macan and buy another Porsche

I didn't order AS but I am pissed that I cannot get the lowering springs installed.

 

[K-A]

PASM vs AS

Same here. The lowering alone is worth the cost to me. Everything else is a very welcomed bonus. And it's true that AS or active spring rates are the future for especially big 4 doors to defy their mass while providing ultimate comfort. Right now, it's mostly high range performance/sports sedans and SUV's. Nearly all the top and most expensive models in those segments have AS. Macan introduces it to a lower price point, hence the dichotomy from some. And it'll continue getting more and more accessible as time goes on. It's one of the very exclusive ways to lower, adjust, and stiffen a car WHILE improving comfort and versatility, from my findings.

Tesla offers it on their highest range options, even the C Class just introduced an AS option for the first time, etc. etc. In some years, steel spring cars won't be as common for this reason, imo.

 

[Enilder]

I didn't order AS but I am pissed that I cannot get the lowering springs installed.

I would've looked for an installer prior to ordering that part...Best of luck, regardless.

 

[Nylon]

Those threads about AS are getting tiresome.

I agree with K-A that AS is an improvement over PASM and steel may it be for daily driving, off road and even on track.

But who really cares about track use of AS when the vast majority of Macan buyers will never track their Macans.

The people who argue against AS probably:
- are pissed because they did not order it
- did not order it because it was to expensive
- are living in the past
- should stay away from a Macan and buy another Porsche

I completely disagree with these assumptions. There are a lot of Porschephiles who choose Porsche vehicles specifically because of the the driving/quality characteristics of Porsche vehicles vis a vis other brands. Given the price/performance characteristics, Porsche occupies it's own category slightly above other German brands yet below higher end/cost ultra-luxury/ultra-sport brands.

Most of the people here who argue against A/S aren't doing it out of spite or jealousy. Actually they aren't arguing against A/S at all. Most people recognize the benefits that A/S brings yet prefer the characteristics of non A/S vehicle because it provides a more connected Porsche driving characteristic. A/S inherently numbs, to a certain extent, the driving feel of vehicle. It's just the nature of the technology. It's not a question of if one is better then the other since everyone has a different set of preferences which stem from a different set of baselines.

The other reason forum members have been arguing passionately on this issue is because, as stated earlier by @fantom and @grim, people are tired with the constant AS sales pitch in numerous other threads.

PS. It's quite a stretch and quite offensive to state that people didn't choose A/S because they can't afford it (too expensive). How can you claim to know about the financial resources of anyone. I have an $83k Macan S build that doesn't include A/S or PASM.

 

[jzwu]

@Enilder Tried both at the same time. I am one of those impatient folks.

 

[Enilder]

I completely disagree with these assumptions. There are a lot of Porschephiles who choose Porsche vehicles specifically because of the the driving/quality characteristics of Porsche vehicles vis a vis other brands. Given the price/performance characteristics, Porsche occupies it's own category slightly above other German brands yet below higher end/cost ultra-luxury/ultra-sport brands.

Most of the people here who argue against A/S aren't doing it out of spite or jealousy. Actually they aren't arguing against A/S at all. Most people recognize the benefits that A/S brings yet prefer the characteristics of non A/S vehicle because it provides a more connected Porsche driving characteristic. A/S inherently numbs, to a certain extent, the driving feel of vehicle. It's just the nature of the technology. It's not a question of if one is better then the other since everyone has a different set of preferences which stem from a different set of baselines.

The other reason forum members have been arguing passionately on this issue is because, as stated earlier by @fantom and @grim , people are tired with the constant AS sales pitch in numerous other threads.

PS. It's quite a stretch and quite offensive to state that people didn't choose A/S because they can't afford it (too expensive). How can you claim to know about the financial resources of anyone. I have an $83k Macan S build that doesn't include A/S or PASM.

Completely opposite of what I expected to see. I was expecting to see PASM purist. I am disappointed.

Jokes aside, I think you summarized it very well.

 

[Nylon]

Completely opposite of what I expected to see. I was expecting to see PASM purist. I am disappointed.

Jokes aside, I think you summarized it very well.

I had PASM on my 2011 C4S. Just didn't see the value in it for a vehicle I will be using as a daily driver for my trips to Whole Foods. Stock suspension is awesome. PASM and A/S are great as well, just not a must have for my usage. I won't be autocrossing or tracking the Macan.

 

[Enilder]

I had PASM on my 2011 C4S. Just didn't see the value in it for a vehicle I will be using as a daily driver for my trips to Whole Foods. Stock suspension is awesome. PASM and A/S are great as well, just not a must have for my usage. I won't be autocrossing or tracking the Macan.

I feel the same way. I ended up getting SC and PASM because my current car doesn't have them. It is my one and only vehicle so decided to give them a try. Without a doubt, it will be very enjoyable but when you consider the practicality of DD (aka highway cruiser), I don't think they are needed.

Endless ways to justify every option!

 

[Raneleigh]

Those threads about AS are getting tiresome.

I agree with K-A that AS is an improvement over PASM and steel may it be for daily driving, off road and even on track.

But who really cares about track use of AS when the vast majority of Macan buyers will never track their Macans.

The people who argue against AS probably:
- are pissed because they did not order it
- did not order it because it was to expensive
- are living in the past
- should stay away from a Macan and buy another Porsche

Wow...finally someone summed it up perfectly! I have always argued against AS because:

- The whole time I was pissed I didn't order it! (I beat myself constantly - it's not pretty. And I also beat myself because I didn't order it!).
- I could afford a $75K car, but I just couldn't swing the few extra bucks for AS!
- I am actually living in the past - didn't even realize it until I looked in the mirror today and noticed my long hair and vintage clothes!
-I should have stayed away from the Macan and bought a different Porsche! Oh wait...a different Porsche will cost more than the Macan and if I can't afford AS, how will I afford a different Porsche? Oh well, guess I should throw caution to the wind and trade in the Macan for a 911 instead! I can always sleep in it...I think.

Thank you thank you...I've seen the light! It all makes sense now!

 

[K-A]

PASM vs AS

I had PASM on my 2011 C4S. Just didn't see the value in it for a vehicle I will be using as a daily driver for my trips to Whole Foods. Stock suspension is awesome. PASM and A/S are great as well, just not a must have for my usage. I won't be autocrossing or tracking the Macan.

This all makes sense now. Admit it. You couldn't afford AS or PASM because you spent all your money at Whole Foods.



This is very simple: Steel people, every time you need to feel justified, roam around and find a broken down AS Macan, then yell "ha ha".

AS people: Every time you need to feel justified, ride next to a steel suspension Macan, press Low, then yell "ha ha". Then press Off Road and with a deeper grunt, yell "ha ha".

Jokes, just jokes people.

Anyone ever wanna debate next which option is the MOST important to Porsche consumers? Glad to see that it's CLEARLY still appropriately the suspension! These threads speak volumes as to where our intense passion most resides. And it's a good sign for Porsche's enthusiast base by way of what's considered core and utmost important values, proof right here.

 

[Raneleigh]

This all makes sense now. Admit it. You couldn't afford AS or PASM because you spent all your money at Whole Foods.



This is very simple: Steel people, every time you need to feel justified, roam around and find a broken down AS Macan, then yell "ha ha".

AS people: Every time you need to feel justified, ride next to a steel suspension Macan, press Low, then yell "ha ha". Then press Off Road and with a deeper grunt, yell "ha ha".

Jokes, just jokes people.

Anyone ever wanna debate next which option is the MOST important to Porsche consumers? Glad to see that it's CLEARLY still appropriately the suspension! These threads speak volumes as to where our intense passion most resides. And it's a good sign for Porsche's enthusiast base by way of what's considered core and utmost important values, proof right here.

Actually, I think the smokers package is a much more important issue than suspension. Think about it...that hole cover adds unnecessary weight. I think anyone who ordered the smokers package is:

-pissed that they ordered it
-pissed that they spent $0 on the option
- are living in the past because who smokes anymore?
-should stay away from the Macan and buy another porsche that doesn't have it

 

[BatuKMan]

This seems a polarizing topic, as usual this might be from a must have to a nice to have option, for me, which I have a trailer to tow, the AS is a must have, the car remain flat and not squatted like with the steel springs which affects the handling and traction of the vehicle.

Rather than opinions there are some facts which back-up the AS for comfort and steel springs suspension for better feedback.
All the luxury cars focused on comfort ride on Air, Hydraulic or Hydro-pneumatic suspensions, i.e. Rolls-Royce, Maybach, etc...

Except some oddballs, the vast majority of the race or uncompromising sport cars for the road, use steel springs.

Given the budget and sheer number of engineers and tests made I would say the conclusion had been made in which type of suspensions is better for what.

 

[K-A]

PASM vs AS

This seems a polarizing topic, as usual this might be from a must have to a nice to have option, for me, which I have a trailer to tow, the AS is a must have, the car remain flat and not squatted like with the steel springs which affects the handling and traction of the vehicle.



Rather than opinions there are some facts which back-up the AS for comfort and steel springs suspension for better feedback.

All the luxury cars focused on comfort ride on Air, Hydraulic or Hydro-pneumatic suspensions, i.e. Rolls-Royce, Maybach, etc...



Except some oddballs, the vast majority of the race or uncompromising sport cars for the road, use steel springs.



Given the budget and sheer number of engineers and tests made I would say the conclusion had been made in which type of suspensions is better for what.

Also about all expensive high performance/luxury sedans and SUV's use predominantly AS. To retain optimal comfort whilst achieving rails capable handling from a heavy car, active springs become pretty essential. The Macan introduces this to a new segment so there will be some natural confusion. But in 20 years or so, I think most manufacturers will lighten up on passive/fixed spring rates. Active is growing and ultimately the future.

Your point about how AS keeps a car perfectly level whilst towing (and with people in the car, etc.) is also good. That capability of the suspension to be able to keep the cars load balance neutral speaks volumes as to how it improves handling, to me. It's a treat for a car like this to be able to corner so flatly, thanks to said air spring capability. That's just not as achievable from passive springs as they have to be soft enough to also provide a car like this an expectedly comfortable and compliant ride. It's more to my taste and gets me closer to a "best of both worlds", but as has been said, the feel aspect is very personal.