[WHT TGR]

You guys are hilarious ! Thank you for the afternoon chuckle . PASM , AS PTV , MTV , DDT all good ! Ok , not DDT ?


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[WHT TGR]

So I can't discuss the merits of the argument or call out the logic on a topic because of 'history' and for fear of someone being offended. Give me a break!

Break or Brake ?

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[Nylon]

Break or Brake ?

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LOL!, now I'm confused.

 

[K-A]

PASM vs AS

So I can't discuss the merits of the argument or call out the logic on a topic because of 'history' and for fear of someone being offended. Give me a break!

Sorry, but I've gotten masses of personal attacks from you same guys and to keep it from getting overboard again, I'm gonna try my best to keep from having to defend "myself" and just stick to the topic. If I sense something inciting then I'll report it. I'm sure mods would prefer that than for me going O/T to defend whether I'm using "fuzzy logic" after writing up some specific stuff AND being clear that a lot of it is opinion. Or having to respond to being "delusional" by the same two members partaking in the same subject, etc. There's a more intelligent and respectful way to express disagreement with somebody.

You give good reasons for steel. I do for AS. Why don't we just keep it on that respectful level?

 

[Nylon]

Oh please, cry me a river.

 

[thkemp]

I find this hard to believe. Are you saying the Porsche driving instructor at Leipzig was unable to tell you weather the car had AS or not. That is extremely suspect! Not only does an AS car drive very differently to a steel car but all he had to do was look down on the console to see if the AS button was there. It would be a cold day in **** the day that Porsche let anyone working in that position not know the suspension setup of the vehicle.

This exchange was in the course of conversation. It was not a significant point of discussion, just one of many questions I had. We were going about a 100 mph at the time and we immediately started talking about what he was doing on the track. It was about a lap or so later that he referred to it again. I am sure he knew that there was AS control button right there. The point here is that he did thought AS was a good option for the street, with less track value.

Isn't Nylon flammable?

 

[K-A]

PASM vs AS

Let's also note that it wasn't said that PASM steel is "better handling" for a track. It's not. AS' lower, stiffer, negative camber, active load balancing, are fundamental handling increasers. Porsche identifies this explicitly (and naturally uses AS almost exclusively for track events because of it).

It's said, subjectively, that you can feel the limits more naturally with steel. Again, that can be a huge negative to what many of us seek from an active suspension, to make a heavy road car feel more like a "sports car". The lack of limit sensing of AS is essentially what people pay for. It gives an experience of limit raising, imo. That feeling of no lean and rails like handling with ultimate comfort is what makes the suspension, imo.

 

[hw128]

You guys are hilarious ! Thank you for the afternoon chuckle . PASM , AS PTV , MTV , DDT all good ! Ok , not DDT

Agree, hilarious, but also ridiculous. First let me say that I have AS and I probably would order it again. What I like about it most is that I can set the PASM on Sport+ and when I go through turns the car has absolutely no noticeable body lean, but even at Sport+ it's incredibly comfortable -- almost like grandpa's Lincoln (well -- maybe not quite that). Now I'm talking about "real world driving", not the 0.5% of the time that someone might be on a track or off-road.

On the other hand, if you look at the "head-to-head" comparison drive of the Macan Turbo versus the Merc GLA 45 AMG that is linked in another thread, the guy who did that test drive didn't like having no lean. He liked the GLA better specifically because it had some body lean when he went through corners at high speed.

So why do I mention this stuff. It's because each of us like a different feeling in our drives. Sure, you can cite this test statistic, or that test statistic, or some test driver's opinion or a race driver's opinion, or whatever. But it all comes down to what the person who buys the vehicle likes. And as I said in other posts, "different strokes for different folks" (and those of you who have been around since the early '70's will remember that phrase).

My advice is that each of us should drive the car in various configurations and just get what we like. If what you like is different than what I like, that's just fine.

 

[thkemp]

Let's also note that it wasn't said that PASM steel is "better handling" for a track. It's not. AS' lower, stiffer, negative camber, active load balancing, are fundamental handling increasers. Porsche identifies this explicitly (and naturally uses AS almost exclusively for track events because of it).

It's said, subjectively, that you can feel the limits more naturally with steel. Again, that can be a huge negative to what many of us seek from an active suspension, to make a heavy road car feel more like a "sports car". The lack of limit sensing of AS is essentially what people pay for. It gives an experience of limit raising, imo. That feeling of no lean and rails like handling with ultimate comfort is what makes the suspension, imo.

Well said. I agree.

 

[Nylon]

The point here is that he did thought AS was a good option for the street, with less track value.

Isn't Nylon flammable?

I totally concur.

And Nylon refers to my younger years when I flew back and forth between NY and London far too often.

 

[fantom]

you know it's intended to start a flame war because I'd have to defend it.

WHY?


The AS/PASM question will keep coming up, there is NO clear answer, and continued grumping about it does no one any good. Any slight no matter how minor is neither a flame war to repeatedly jump on, nor some massive personal attack.

Most, including me, are tired of the constant AS sales pitch, and that's what ignites these diatribes. We ALL have great suspensions, we're all happy with them, and we all know what your opinion is. So why not, as you yourself suggest....give it a rest, at long last, before we get that week long vacation.

Speaking for myself, I try to go by the old Abraham Lincoln adage:

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

:laugh:

 

[K-A]

PASM vs AS

Again, this is a discussion about AS vs PASM, and please stop trying to take it O/T as to instigate a pile on from the same clique to a specific member.

What I do agree on with most is that regardless of track benefits, AS is most benefited on the road (and in keeping with what @thkemp's own instructor said). Again, that's where the comparative "limitless" feel makes it so excellent especially on a car like this, day to day, on real world roads, imo.

 

[thkemp]

How could he not know if the macan had AS? Even an amateur like myself can just look at the buttons on the center console and figure it out.

Good point. My wording on this exchange was poor and misleading.

 

[WHT TGR]

Agree, hilarious, but also ridiculous. First let me say that I have AS and I probably would order it again. What I like about it most is that I can set the PASM on Sport+ and when I go through turns the car has absolutely no noticeable body lean, but even at Sport+ it's incredibly comfortable -- almost like grandpa's Lincoln (well -- maybe not quite that). Now I'm talking about "real world driving", not the 0.5% of the time that someone might be on a track or off-road.

On the other hand, if you look at the "head-to-head" comparison drive of the Macan Turbo versus the Merc GLA 45 AMG that is linked in another thread, the guy who did that test drive didn't like having no lean. He liked the GLA better specifically because it had some body lean when he went through corners at high speed.

So why do I mention this stuff. It's because each of us like a different feeling in our drives. Sure, you can cite this test statistic, or that test statistic, or some test driver's opinion or a race driver's opinion, or whatever. But it all comes down to what the person who buys the vehicle likes. And as I said in other posts, "different strokes for different folks" (and those of you who have been around since the early '70's will remember that phrase).

My advice is that each of us should drive the car in various configurations and just get what we like. If what you like is different than what I like, that's just fine.

Yep. I for sure agree that we should all option what is right for us. It's my money, my options and my opinion ; like it is your money , your options and ....

Great cars aren't they?

 

[grim]

Did I say Peace? (even though I am not a mod)

But I am and have had enough. (This is not directed to you )

I can’t go one day without reading and a 52 post thread on AS pops up and falls apart and it’s the same old thing over and over again?

Guys, I like to get passionate about this stuff as much as everyone else. You all know this. Everything that was said to the OP was “opinion” not fact. Everyone has opinions, including PAG employees. Since there is nothing objective here, no tests with empirical data, here’s a hint:

There are no winners and losers. Nobody is going to convince anyone else that their opinion is any better than another. The only thing you are doing is amusing, irritating, or boring, everyone else.

It takes quite a delusional person to twist the post

Please do not make what appears to be, or comes across, as an ad hominem attack on another member of this forum again. Your cooperation is appreciated. Thank you

Most, including me, are tired of the constant AS sales pitch, and that's what ignites these diatribes. We ALL have great suspensions, we're all happy with them, …

^^^^^

Well said. I suggest everyone listens carefully to this. I am sure everyone is happy with what they got, for whatever reason they have. The only person you need to please is yourself (or more likely your better half )

I’m now opening this thread back up for further discussion. Please do so in peace. You all are free to discuss, debate, and bring up what the guy down the street thinks of your suspension, or whatever you want. In fact, here’s my thought on what the PAG instructor said: Why does anyone care about drifting a 4 x 4? What’s wrong with that picture? Who does that?

What you are not free to do is make personal attacks on each other.

I would also take heed to what @fantom just said. After a certain point, whether here or in another thread, everyone gets tired of hearing the same old song.

Peace – Carry on…

 

[WHT TGR]

Soooo Grim? So are you saying I should get
AS or not get AS ?


Haaaa ! Sorry , I couldn't help myself.

I'm off to read the next thread and peacefully leaving this one .

 

[jzwu]

Darn, I have got the H&R lowering springs but couldn't find a good shop to install them. Called a few local dealers, most won't do aftermarket stuff but one would do it for a freak'n $2400!

It has crossed my mind more and more now I should've just ordered the AS and be done with the 1" drop.

 

[Nylon]

Darn, I have got the H&R lowering springs but couldn't find a good shop to install them. Called a few local dealers, most won't do aftermarket stuff but one would do it for a freak'n $2400!

It has crossed my mind more and more now I should've just ordered the AS and be done with the 1" drop.

It is very surprising that you can't find a reputable shop in the Bay area to do this at a reasonable cost. Maybe find an LA shop and make a weekend out of it.

 

[jzwu]

That's a good idea indeed. I suspect LA has more competent shops to do mod work than the bay area.

 

[Nylon]

That's a good idea indeed. I suspect LA has more competent shops to do mod work than the bay area.

Yeah, I think LA has loads of shops that would do this. It's surprising how many skilled shops are down there. I guess it's because of the multitude of specialists required for stunt work and other Movie/TV stuff.