Also ... the "matrix" LED light option is the 84 element variety not the 16,000+ variety. It's like Porsche are keeping us one step behind the other models possibly daring us to buy a Cayenne or something? Except for the HUD. We got the best version, the $2500 version in fact

 

Most of the comments here are on specifics, I'm going to talk holistically, the overall approach and what I found disappointing.

The announcement.

The 95B.1 was announced at the Nov, 2013 LA Auto Show, live streamed under the bright lights on stage. Many people thought the Cayenne too big and eagerly awaited the Cajun, the baby Cayenne. The excitement was palpable. Watch, Maria Sharipova and a race car driver presented it.

OTOH, the EV Announcement was, IMO, blah. 30 minutes rambling on about sculptures, the live stream comments were brutal. And a taped video on “design” in German, dubbed in English. Why? It was dark, no visible excitement, just meh. Why not wait until Geneva next month?

Being announced in Singapore, my suspicion is the vehicle is not targeting to Europe, the Americas, or Oz, but to China, their largest customer base. I got up early to watch this announcement live and want that 45 minutes of time back.

Pricing

Pricing is what it is. The price is always going to go up. In May, based on published information, I guessed the new Turbo would come in the USA, stripped, at $108K The actual price is $107K. Stripped means no options, no dealer fees, etc. That $50K Macan S 10 years ago went OTD, excluding tax, for many people for $70K. That’s a shocking 40% in options. I don’t expect a EV Turbo to not go OTD for less than $125K. In two years it will be $140K. IMO, this is getting out of hand.

Launch strategy.

The normal sequence is base < S < GTS <Turbo< Turbo S. For the Macan, think Turbo PP as the Turbo S . The 95B.3 GTS, while the top current trim level will fall back into its normal slot. They just never built a 95b.3 Turbo, I suspect, because they wanted to kill the ICE car and the pandemic got in the way.

I DID rush out to put a deposit on a Turbo in 2013. I would never rush out to put out a deposit on an EV Turbo today because first, I know a Turbo S should be coming, and second, the technology advances too quickly. If Toyota gets solid state batteries out in a few years, these cars will be dinosaurs. Im not sure I understand the strategy of releasing the Base and Turbo trims and not the S and Turbo trims like the first generation car. But I assume they know exactly what they are doing because they are very very good at advertising, selling, and making huge profits. They know more than I do and the best at making profits.

End of an Era, or Epoch

While I don’t like the stock wheels in that they look like Tesla wheels, that’s minutia. The REAL option I do not like is the PM2.5 monitor. That enforces the concept this cars target audience is China.

I’ve driven through forest fires, you “rollup”, the windows, drive out of the area and all is good. In Spring, 2023, with Canadian wildfires, the news kept saying don’t go outdoors if you have lung issues. I get it. I liked the smell, reminiscent of the fireplace on but the sky was smoky like fog. I don’t know what the great London SMOG was like nor LA in the early 70s. But I get it. Its not pleasant and who likes air pollution? And I get it that EVs are about reducing emissions, so its not surprising they provide an option for an air monitor. I looked at this chart https://waqi.info/ Its easy to see the Americas and Oz are mostly green. Europe a bit worse, but India/China are terrible. Hence, I believe again this car is targeted to their primary customer, China.

All things come to an end. Porsche is rooted in racing, from James Dean in his cursed 550 Spyder to, more importantly, taking over from Ford at Le Mans and just dominating road racing with 917s being too fast at Mulsanne. With legendary names like 935, 956, 962, and the lastest 919. I see that’s all over now. New car buyers, Gen Z maybe, have no idea what its like to drive a MT or even get a license.

I think most enthusiasts had some poster on the wall a kid, maybe a Countach, Ferrari, or 911. Its one thing to build a new model with a different drivetrain, the Taycan. That’s fine. Its another to start taking existing models and changing them. I don’t see that advantageous, other than to meet mandates to stay in business.

James A Michener said it best “only the rocks live forever” So it matters not how long you live, but “how” and for a good long run, they certainly lived well. Bravo, well done.

The future is for the young, I guess. Things will evolve and sort themselves out. All things change … except the rocks.

 

Most of the comments here are on specifics, I'm going to talk holistically, the overall approach and what I found disappointing.

The announcement.

The 95B.1 was announced at the Nov, 2013 LA Auto Show, live streamed under the bright lights on stage. Many people thought the Cayenne too big and eagerly awaited the Cajun, the baby Cayenne. The excitement was palpable. Watch, Maria Sharipova and a race car driver presented it.

OTOH, the EV Announcement was, IMO, blah. 30 minutes rambling on about sculptures, the live stream comments were brutal. And a taped video on “design” in German, dubbed in English. Why? It was dark, no visible excitement, just meh. Why not wait until Geneva next month?

Being announced in Singapore, my suspicion is the vehicle is not targeting to Europe, the Americas, or Oz, but to China, their largest customer base. I got up early to watch this announcement live and want that 45 minutes of time back.

Pricing

Pricing is what it is. The price is always going to go up. In May, based on published information, I guessed the new Turbo would come in the USA, stripped, at $108K The actual price is $107K. Stripped means no options, no dealer fees, etc. That $50K Macan S 10 years ago went OTD, excluding tax, for many people for $70K. That’s a shocking 40% in options. I don’t expect a EV Turbo to not go OTD for less than $125K. In two years it will be $140K. IMO, this is getting out of hand.

Launch strategy.

The normal sequence is base < S < GTS <Turbo< Turbo S. For the Macan, think Turbo PP as the Turbo S . The 95B.3 GTS, while the top current trim level will fall back into its normal slot. They just never built a 95b.3 Turbo, I suspect, because they wanted to kill the ICE car and the pandemic got in the way.

I DID rush out to put a deposit on a Turbo in 2013. I would never rush out to put out a deposit on an EV Turbo today because first, I know a Turbo S should be coming, and second, the technology advances too quickly. If Toyota gets solid state batteries out in a few years, these cars will be dinosaurs. Im not sure I understand the strategy of releasing the Base and Turbo trims and not the S and Turbo trims like the first generation car. But I assume they know exactly what they are doing because they are very very good at advertising, selling, and making huge profits. They know more than I do and the best at making profits.

End of an Era, or Epoch

While I don’t like the stock wheels in that they look like Tesla wheels, that’s minutia. The REAL option I do not like is the PM2.5 monitor. That enforces the concept this cars target audience is China.

I’ve driven through forest fires, you “rollup”, the windows, drive out of the area and all is good. In Spring, 2023, with Canadian wildfires, the news kept saying don’t go outdoors if you have lung issues. I get it. I liked the smell, reminiscent of the fireplace on but the sky was smoky like fog. I don’t know what the great London SMOG was like nor LA in the early 70s. But I get it. Its not pleasant and who likes air pollution? And I get it that EVs are about reducing emissions, so its not surprising they provide an option for an air monitor. I looked at this chart https://waqi.info/ Its easy to see the Americas and Oz are mostly green. Europe a bit worse, but India/China are terrible. Hence, I believe again this car is targeted to their primary customer, China.

All things come to an end. Porsche is rooted in racing, from James Dean in his cursed 550 Spyder to, more importantly, taking over from Ford at Le Mans and just dominating road racing with 917s being too fast at Mulsanne. With legendary names like 935, 956, 962, and the lastest 919. I see that’s all over now. New car buyers, Gen Z maybe, have no idea what its like to drive a MT or even get a license.

I think most enthusiasts had some poster on the wall a kid, maybe a Countach, Ferrari, or 911. Its one thing to build a new model with a different drivetrain, the Taycan. That’s fine. Its another to start taking existing models and changing them. I don’t see that advantageous, other than to meet mandates to stay in business.

James A Michener said it best “only the rocks live forever” So it matters not how long you live, but “how” and for a good long run, they certainly lived well. Bravo, well done.

The future is for the young, I guess. Things will evolve and sort themselves out. All things change … except the rocks.

They still have one rock left in the UK and it’s the Cayenne V8. That is the car which will be sought after Some EV debacle arises just like it did with the diesel.

 

Holy Sh1t !!! I only started this thread to ask if anyone else was a little disappointed after the launch of the new Macan EV.....seems to have ruffled a few feathers. Calm down chaps....it's only a car. 😂🤣😅

 

“Ask me no questions and I’ll tell you no lies.”

 

All posts that are ev generic moved to the rants thread, lets stay ot here please, EV Macan disappointments only

thanks

 

We were looking forward to Macan EV hoping to be in a second year of production by the fall of 2023. Ran out of time and enjoying 2024 GTS knowing fully it is still as analog as our 2016 Turbo was. Macan EV is here, and it is too late, for too much, with many unknowns that need at least 2 years to sort out at scale if Taycan is any indication given too many new things that need to work without failing. I can report that having a 4th year production 2023 Taycan, I have no issues previous production years had experienced, so not worried about longevity at this point, but would not jump on the first year of Macan EV production without knowing the severity of the issues at scale.

Specific things that we have analyzed understanding this is their first cut:

- Price is what it is and not out of line for a Porsche product, especially with a lot more standard equipment that Taycan ever had, but I think this will hold it back given a lot of competition that may not match the dynamics but excel at everything else that may matter more for in town commuting where EVs fit best.

- Range is about as much as they can make it with current battery tech without adding weight. 300 miles under ideal conditions still about 100 miles short to be comfortable for long distance driving given infrastructure that is improving but still be a limiting factor in making the sales number they hope for. My dealer says Range has been the most asked question from prospective Taycan buyers and EPA rating of some 200 miles although below realistic range, is the biggest turn off and sales killer, since the buyers are conditioned by the overstated Tesla ranges and then Lucid delivers some impressive range numbers. Also, curiously, there is no Range mode offered that downgrades all systems for minimum consumption to travel a few miles more that may matter. Their fall back is fast charging that many now offer and split battery pack for charging at 400V in parallel but still way too time consuming for long trips, unless it is an overnight destination charging stop.

Free Public Charging: Only 1 year of free EA charging is offered to save on base price cost, so be prepared to pay almost definitely more to charge when on the road than gasoline after your 1 year is up. My home Taycan charging is about 1/4 of the premium gas we pay for the Macan fuel, but public charging is more than gas at stable prices with charging locations known to have wild price swings, so it is not unrealistic to pay even double for charging than for gas for the same miles.

- Driving Tech I find to be pretty solid as they were able to make Air Suspension (AS) standard with optional Rear Wheel Steer and PTV+ standard on the Turbo, but as others mentioned PDCC is not offered, and they may not be able to fit it into the platform as this is not intended to be driven on track where this would matter most. Also, no PSCB or PCCB brake options as they know they will get very little use but at least offer PSCB for those of us who do not want to see brake dust, not to say they cannot offer this option later on.

- Assistance Tech appears to be the best they have with AR HUD to be the most advanced feature we have seen, with one notable omission being Night Vision Assist that we rely on, not to say they cannot add it later. Also, they are holding back Android Auto since it is not listed under Standard Equipment. Taycans started offering it with 2022 models. Possibly a configurator bug with Macan 4 having Surround View with Active Parking Support but nowhere to be found on the Turbo. Also, Dashcam should be a factory option, with this pre-wiring to be the most misleading option that they have.

- Looks are subjective but the back looks like an Audi e-tron style and not distinctive enough. Split headlights also give it a fad vibe but if Ferrari can pull it off, then they can as well by hiding them well during the day, but it will sure look awful at night with 4 round lamps blasting out of the front bumper. If they add the HD kind in the future, then you will be looking at 8 squares lamps, with full Matrix function still not certified in the US for just the Matrix setups.

 

This is depressing. I loved my Macan and looked forward to each new revision. To say it’s a disappointment is an understatement. It’s the end. I can no longer look forward to the next car which is something that I had done with all the models that I have bought. There have been times where one specific model put me on the sidelines. For instance, the four-cylinder 718 was something that took me out but then Porsche came right back with the 4.0 GTS and spyder . even the 991.1 was it departure from the 997 and it took me out but I came right back.

The differences there was hope with the other cars. With this there is no hope. My current car is the dead end. ..

 

If I end up with a Porsche EV (or Audi EV), it won't be an SUV.

 

Spent hours on the configurator trying to build a decent car....Still disappointed !

 

I was genuinely interested in the new EV Macan but have now been left feeling totally deflated after today's disappointing reveal. The only impressive announcement was the supposed, potential maximum range. The increased size, massive weight and ridiculously high prices have completely put me off considering it as a replacement for my current GTS.

Did you really think the most successful Porsche SUV would be discounted over older models?

 

Discounted ??? Obviously not....but I didn't expect it to cost 30% more than the ICE equivalent model, especially when it is actually cheaper to manufacture.

 

interesting discussion. I looked at every photo I could find and came away thinking, well, it looks ok, for an EV. then we hopped in our awesome 2022 Carmine Red GTS and made a trip to the grocery. When approaching the car coming out of the store I was reminded just how fantastic the lines are on the ICE model compared to the EV photos i saw....and they did away with the clamshell hood. that's a bummer. We ordered the 2022 as soon as we learned that an EV unit was around the corner and didn't really know at the time how long we had...obviously a while since 2025 ICE units will be produced alongside the EV's. I would so much rather see a hybrid solution rather than plug-in and all the nonsense that goes along with it. You certainly can't argue with the performance of the "turbo" model (did they really have to call it that?).

We have a whole new appreciation for our ICE GTS and it confirmed our original thought that we will be keeping it a very, very long time. 15k miles and 0 issues. so tightly put together...

 

I also miss the clamshell hood, but after my accident, I can see the clamshell not being very economical or practical in replacement/repairs.

I am disappointed with the interior ambient lighting. After all the hidden photos from test cars, it was a disappointing letdown and looks more like an after thought.

 

I finally figured out what has been bothering me about the Macan EV styling. The rear-end looks like the unfortunate love-child of a current M/B EQE SUV and the previous generation GLE coupe. It may be better in the flesh, but in pictures...meh.

 

I finally figured out what has been bothering me about the Macan EV styling. The rear-end looks like the unfortunate love-child of a current M/B EQE SUV and the previous generation GLE coupe. It may be better in the flesh, but in pictures...meh.

More like the ioniq5 and Q4 E-Tron

 

Polestar is even uglier than them all in my opinion … Porsche had to make it sleek to make Macan go further on one charge — and I understand it and accept it, wouldn’t otherwise consider the Macan, like I never did any of the EQ series Mercs to date with a range that is just way too short.

 

... this is the first electric Macan. I am curious to see the next model in a few years. Once battery capacity will increase, there might be space for characteristic design again. For now, we need to live with soap bars just because range would drop dramatically if the current ICE shape would be electrified (I read the difference is 85km/53mi per charge). Even a rear window wiper will reduce range. My hopes are on solid state batteries and their impact on range and comfort. I cannot imagine to own a car at that price level where I need to shut off heating, music, air condition and screens, forego an electric trunk etc. to make sure I'd not be stuck in the dark at an ugly charging spot. It's a safety concern as well.

 

...Well, I thought it might come this way, when I ordered our Macan T a year ago, proven right, so no regrets having invested in "old tech"...which can be sometimes convince more than new, as experienced several times in the automotive sector...

 

agreed. We were SO glad we got our GTS before analog tachs and speedo gauges were a thing of the past. Both of our other vehicles have fully electronic instrumentation. Nothing like watching an analog needle racing toward the red line.....(on Porsche classic white dials, of course!)

 

Autoblog points out that the steering in the new Macan EV is a disappointment.
All at launch video reviewers were prohibited from sharing driving impressions.
This means to me they have a long way to go to tweak the steering.
The other complexity is full drive by wire braking that needs regen to physical braking dance to be perfect.
This is different from the Taycan in some way that took a few years to tune.
I have no issues with Taycan steering or braking after the blending has been refined that requires a hardware and software units to be upgraded.
However, it is unlike an ICE car since physical brakes in normal (not emergency braking conditions) driving only engage at single digit speeds.

 

Meh.

 

I'd like to test drive it to see how it compares to my 2020 Macan GTS.

 

Just some random thoughts on the Macan EV if you care to read them
My wife had a Model 3 and now a '23 Model Y
I borrowed the Model 3 and Y frequently and I must say they are absolutely fantastic cars for what I feel is their intended purpose - the daily commute. The 3 in particular was a go-kart - very fun to drive. The Y is bigger, heavier, but still a great all-around car. My only complaint is the lack of sound dampening, there is always road noise, and when you stop at traffic lights you can hear people on their phones in other vehicles around you.
I feel like the "build quality" thing is media BS, we never had any issues, and the finish on the Y in particular is first rate.
So what's the point?
We would never attempt a long range trip in a Tesla. The idea of heading up to Maine for a summer vacation (a 12hr trip) and stopping 4 times to charge is just stupid. So we take the Macan. Which is now nearly 9 years old, but I really struggle now with what to replace it with? We don't need another EV that can't make a long trip.
Here is where I don't understand Porsche's strategy. The Macan EV is, more or less functionally equivalent to the Model Y, but 2.5-3X more expensive but effectively no more capable. And the ICE Macan is - 10 years old at this point under the hood - how appealing is that to live on another 2yrs? As a result I feel like Porsche has taken the Macan from their "bread and butter" covering a huge audience from entry level for the base car (50-60K) and up through the GTS - and basically killed it. The Macan EV can only be considered as a niche car - it's for somebody that wants to spend 100K+ on a luxury Model Y - with all the same limitations/idiosyncrasies that come with owning an EV, and with less charging infrastructure.
I guess this is the "we'll charge more and sell less" hubris post-COVID business model, but it seems like shooting themselves in the foot.

 

As a result I feel like Porsche has taken the Macan from their "bread and butter" covering a huge audience from entry level for the base car (50-60K) and up through the GTS - and basically killed it. The Macan EV can only be considered as a niche car - it's for somebody that wants to spend 100K+ on a luxury Model Y - with all the same limitations/idiosyncrasies that come with owning an EV, and with less charging infrastructure.
I guess this is the "we'll charge more and sell less" hubris post-COVID business model, but it seems like shooting themselves in the foot.

I really hope it shoots them in the foot big time and they backtrack. To turn your back on the entry level market and jack it up to premiums that bring it to the level of lightly used 911 is ridiculous.

A canadian build of a Base 4 - with premium package and nicer wheels than the ugly stock ones + sport chrono brings it to almost 115k before taxes.

A GTS with premium package and more bells/whistles is 107k.

So I get a slower vehicle by a large margin with some fancy tech that will depreciate 40% in 2 years.

Id rather just get a used Taycan at that point.

Much better EV options from competitors at this price point. BMW being a great example.

After the initial excitement - I dont expect it to sell well. Who knows though... alot of dumb money and lots of people put their names on a list for the EV Macan. Just dont know why youd pay that much for such a slow EV.

 

Why would anyone spend big money on an EV to use mainly for local travel only? Status symbol? The electrical infrastructure is not ready to support the convenience for long range travel at this time. Those auto companies putting all their money into EV’s may not be able to stay solvent unless they can trend water for many years. A company like Toyota, that is focusing hybrids and ICE vehicles are going to succeed in this transition to EV’s in the next 5 to 10 years.

 

they are definitely planning to sell more and they will. After reading these rants, I realized the current Macan owners are not their target market. Current Macan owners may move to a Cayenne Coupe E-Hybrid until they are ready for an EV. They see the resistance and they already got you covered $P911

 

Probably right for me, looking at these tech data. Will check in a few years again (when the "free gas cheque" or price difference old/new is used up). Eventually upcoming S versions will have a 2 speed gearbox and Porsche's new active suspension (Panamera), at least offering better acceleration performance to match the price level...

 

I'm probably biased, but I like the looks of the ICE Macan over the EV Macan - both exterior and interior. I also don't like the wheel options - I think the standard wheels on my Macan S look much better. I expected that the base model would be at least as fast as my Macan S, so that's disappointing. Also, making the rear wiper an option is bad decision to save a few bucks. According to my dealer, a replacement battery for a Taycan is $80K, so I wonder how much they will charge for a replacement Macan battery. I look forward to watching some YouTube video test drives to see if my initial reaction changes.

 

Porsche Macan EV range to expand with GT, GTS and more - carsales.com.au

Entry single-motor RWD model also set for Porsche’s new electric Macan SUV, while 500kW-plus GT a hot tip at the top end

www.carsales.com.au

And there it is, if true.

Launch strategy.

I DID rush out to put a deposit on a Turbo in 2013. I would never rush out to put out a deposit on an EV Turbo today because first, I know a Turbo S should be coming

But I doubt it will be a Weissach GT since AP said Macans dont race, but a Turbo S SURE.

Early adopters to Turbos will be 😡😭

 

And there it is, if true.

But I doubt it will be a Weissach GT since AP said Macans dont race, but a Turbo S SURE.

Early adopters to Turbos will be 😡😭

You keep saying this… Why do you think there will Turbo S when there hasn’t been a Macan Turbo S to date? The article even quotes the deputy chairman saying a GT is coming. If its priced anything like the Cayenne, it’ll be a $150k+ Macan GT. I’m sure there will be buyers, but I can’t imagine that market being very big.

 

I think it’s too early to buy any EV. As to the EV Macan, i can’t say I’m deflated—-ambivalent is a better word. It’s expensive and I anticipate it will have problems like all the other EVs are experiencing—excessive tire wear, software glitches, less than advertised range, etc. So all facts considered I’m not a buyer. When I first looked at the images of the EV Macan I thought it has a nice look but something seemed off to me. The more I’ve thought about it the design seems more Kia like than Porsche like. Does anyone else see that? If you put a Kia badge on it would anyone notice?

 

Off track a little. Other than bigger brakes, a stock Cobb Tune on a Macan Turbo offers better value and bigger improvements. Add a Pro Tune like BGB and be well beyond a PP spec.

 

Not that Porsche listens to me . . .

For years the ICE Macan was ripe for a GT variant, but I recall an article somewhere in this forum where one of the head gurus at Porsche stated clearly that there will never be a GT Macan variant.

Personally, I think it would be stupid to put the Porsche GT label on an SUV. On the other hand, if Porsche ever did (1) I am certain it would be one bad-a** SUV and (2) they could sell as many as they wanted at just about whatever price they wanted.

Now, after all the ICE Macan GT denial over the years, you are telling me Porsche plans to manufacture an EV Macan GT model??? What??!

This seems absolutely pathetic . . . coming from the perspective of a driving enthusiast. All the stuff @grim and @yrralis1 referenced earlier in the thread with respect to cars and coffee. NA engine and exhaust acoustics, relatively light and nimble handling, sporty/exotic design . . . basically all the stuff that is non-existent in an EV.

Hard pass on EVs . . . and shame on Porsche for even suggesting they will be throwing their coveted GT tag on a Macan EV. Tragic!

AVM

 

You do know there is a Cayenne GT, right? By all accounts, it is one bad-a** SUV and no, I don't think they can sell as many as they want at the price they are asking.... same would apply to the Macan GT, ICE or EV IMO. GT SUV is a niche product, even more so than the EV Macan.