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What happens if you connect to PCM BT for audio and then connect to carplay? This works for me but connection drops to carplay so I had to disable PCM BT. Can you test this way?
@Opt1k, the problem with this approach is that the aftermarket CarPlay module uses the AUX input, and the PCM BT also used AUX input. So, you have both of them fighting. It depends on which one acquires the AUX input first.

The best method is to deactivate PCM BT (AUX BT) and then connect wired to the iPod input. And connect to CarPlay wireless via WiFi.

There is a sequence to this. Once you turn your car on, you wait until the Wireless CarPlay is Connected. Then you connect the phone with the wire and then you select iPod input. Then go back to CarPlay.

This way, I’m able to enjoy audio pass through (no digital to analog conversion), and still have CarPlay capability.

What we need from these type of aftermarket devices is to route digital audio, unaltered, to the amplifier (not using AUX but using the iPod input). I’m not sure how difficult that would be to accomplish.
 
With this method Santrix.....if you have music on via usb....and waze, via wifi CP.....does Waze guided audio work simultaneously ?
 
With this method Santrix.....if you have music on via usb....and waze, via wifi CP.....does Waze guided audio work simultaneously ?
No. I cant have Waze of Apple Maps pass audio through iPod wired connection when in Wireless Carplay.

The only map application that works is Google Maps because it gives you the audio output option in the app.


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I could make it work with FM/JUKEBOX as long as I turn on the car with FM/JUKEBOX enabled and let carplay start without any manual interactions. I couldn't get audio via USB/iPOD to work with carplay.
 
Ye you can use Waze or Google maps via android auto with radio or jukebox playing no problem. The problem is you won't be able to hear commands from Waze or Google maps.

I tried your connecting Bluetooth audio to pcm first, played some music via BT aux then switched to android auto, but as soon as android auto loads the audio drops from Aux BT and is only available via aux.

I have found you can do mirror via USB cable and the mirror app, and then I can play audio via BT Aux. This proves its not necessarily the unit but the way android auto routes all audio.

BT Aux audio quality is sooo much better than Aux. Aux has some minor hissing and crackling.

One pro of the unit, is even if I am listening to radio, but have waze via wireless AA on screen, Google assistant still picks up commands such as call xxx and switched to Bluetooth call. Pretty Kool.

So just the audio quality is the issue still.

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Would it be possible to make this request to the manufacturer?
It's not the manufacturer but more Android Auto, if they stopped forcing audio via AA Bluetooth connection then in theory you could route audio to PCM Bluetooth (assuming you have that!).

I'm not sure what else can be done with audio. It's definitely rubbish and can hear slight interfere/crackling. Wonder if it would make a difference unplugging the factory aux port?

I have to be honest I had never used the aux port for audio. I wonder if it really is as bad as android auto audio over aux or issue is simply the control board.

As I said I can use wired mirror link and have audio routing via pcm Bluetooth and audio quality is spot on

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It's not the manufacturer but more Android Auto, if they stopped forcing audio via AA Bluetooth connection then in theory you could route audio to PCM Bluetooth (assuming you have that!).

I'm not sure what else can be done with audio. It's definitely rubbish and can hear slight interfere/crackling. Wonder if it would make a difference unplugging the factory aux port?

I have to be honest I had never used the aux port for audio. I wonder if it really is as bad as android auto audio over aux or issue is simply the control board.

As I said I can use wired mirror link and have audio routing via pcm Bluetooth and audio quality is spot on

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I was going to say the same thing about CarPlay. It just may be a function of CarPlay’s flexibility (inflexibility) to let you chose output.
 
So, I finally received my CarPlay module yesterday…. My plan was to install it next weekend. But that plan went astray… you know me, I could not wait that long.

Besides, I have done this before, so it would only take like 1 hour. At least that’s whatI thought.

With that in mind, I started the installation yesterday night (at about 7pm). Remember I’m changing the Joye module by this Ebilaen module.

Well… it took 4 hours and a divorce threat 🤣…. Not what I had planned.

A couple of unexpected issues….

1. Taking the head unit out was OK. Opening it, I had to refresh the process, took longer than anticipated, even though I had done it 3 times before.

2. Took out the old board, installed the new one over the same stands… No issues. Connecting wires and passing them through holes, no concerns.

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3. This is where issues started. After assembling everything, I connected the head unit to the car, and could only see half of the screen, like everything shifted to the right. That concerned me, so I disconnected everything and re-opened the head unit to check all wire connections.

4. When reseating the wires, I disconnected one of the ribbon wires that goes to the screen and the whole connector came lose (I accidentally removed the whole thing - leaving the pins exposed). That concerned me a bit, but I know that these connectors can be reassembled. It just takes time and patience because the darn pins are so small. That took about 30 minutes.

5. Assembled everything back and got it to the car for testing, and this time it worked well. However, there were a few times during the installation that the screen when blank, and only got resolved by disconnecting and reconnecting the main harness. I hope this is not going to be an issue going forward.

6. I reinstalled the head unit (not the trims at that point), but forgot to test the microphone (Siri). I thought that I had the factory microphone. So, when I tried it, it wasn’t active. I took the head unit out again (fortunately I had not reinstalled the trims)… and connected the provided microphone. I could not get it to work. The microphone doesn’t work. I need to figure that one out yet.

7. While I had the unit out, I decided to test some additional items, like the backup camera. So… backup camera didn’t come on when I put the car in reverse. Spent 30 minutes before I remembered that I needed to take the emergency brake off…. 🥴. Even then, I had to activate a few options in the settings for the system to switch to backup camera.

When everything was all said and done, it was 11pm… (4 hours!!).

Should’ve waited for the weekend!

Now, for the review….

The improvements over the Joye:

1. Speed of readiness. With the Joye, I had to wait for about 10 seconds before the system recognize my phone and hence CarPlay. With Ebilaen is basically instantaneous.

2. Audio: Audio improvement with Ebilaen is nominal, but it is improved. I still need to tune it, but sound is not as attenuated. But still not as good as with the direct iPod input.

3. Response: It seems that Ebilaen is more responsive and quick. When you change from AUX to iPod and back, it is very responsive.

4. Connection: so far, connection had been solid with Ebilaen. No dropped connection so far.

5. Compact: the installation is cleaner with Ebilaen. Just the board and some wiring vs board, module, wiring and dummy connector with Joye.

6. User Interface: much improved over Joye. Setup is easier.

The Quirks (so far):

1. When in iPod mode and using CarPlay over WiFi, I lose the ability to control volume with the head unit volume knob. However, the steering wheel volume knob works well. Fortunately, this is not an issue, as I have both the steering wheel knob and the Helix Conductor to control volume. I think this is due to the fact that the Ebilaen module takes control of the head unit volume control for CarPlay and it wants to control CarPlay volume when you are actually with the iPod.

2. Related to item # 1, when I connect through AUX, then I can control the volume in the head unit, but is different than everywhere else. The volume intensity is maximized by the steering wheel volume control, and the head unit can’t go above that max volume set by steering wheel. It can go down from there, but not up. It basically disconnects the two volume controls from each other. Hence why I lose control when in iPod. But don’t despair, everything goes back to normal when you get out of CarPlay. The only benefit with this is that it display a volume bar that goes from 0 to 40 (if that can be considered a benefit).


As for how I’m using it, I’m using it the same way as I was using the Joye module. Audio through iPod and displaying CarPlay wireless. Still no audio from GPS apps (other than Google Maps).

More to come on this, as I continue to learn and experience it.

What I can say for sure is that this is the last upgrade I make on my head unit…

PS: By the way, I didn’t bother taking a lot of photos or doing a DIY on this one, as this was masterfully done by @Don16. See earlier posts for a great video on how to do the installation.
 
So, I finally received my CarPlay module yesterday…. My plan was to install it next weekend. But that plan went astray… you know me, I could not wait that long.

Besides, I have done this before, so it would only take like 1 hour. At least that’s whatI thought.

With that in mind, I started the installation yesterday night (at about 7pm). Remember I’m changing the Joye module by this Ebilaen module.

Well… it took 4 hours and a divorce threat [emoji1787]…. Not what I had planned.

A couple of unexpected issues….

1. Taking the head unit out was OK. Opening it, I had to refresh the process, took longer than anticipated, even though I had done it 3 times before.

2. Took out the old board, installed the new one over the same stands… No issues. Connecting wires and passing them through holes, no concerns.

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3. This is where issues started. After assembling everything, I connected the head unit to the car, and could only see half of the screen, like everything shifted to the right. That concerned me, so I disconnected everything and re-opened the head unit to check all wire connections.

4. When reseating the wires, I disconnected one of the ribbon wires that goes to the screen and the whole connector came lose (I accidentally removed the whole thing - leaving the pins exposed). That concerned me a bit, but I know that these connectors can be reassembled. It just takes time and patience because the darn pins are so small. That took about 30 minutes.

5. Assembled everything back and got it to the car for testing, and this time it worked well. However, there were a few times during the installation that the screen when blank, and only got resolved by disconnecting and reconnecting the main harness. I hope this is not going to be an issue going forward.

6. I reinstalled the head unit (not the trims at that point), but forgot to test the microphone (Siri). I thought that I had the factory microphone. So, when I tried it, it wasn’t active. I took the head unit out again (fortunately I had not reinstalled the trims)… and connected the provided microphone. I could not get it to work. The microphone doesn’t work. I need to figure that one out yet.

7. While I had the unit out, I decided to test some additional items, like the backup camera. So… backup camera didn’t come on when I put the car in reverse. Spent 30 minutes before I remembered that I needed to take the emergency brake off…. [emoji3061]. Even then, I had to activate a few options in the settings for the system to switch to backup camera.

When everything was all said and done, it was 11pm… (4 hours!!).

Should’ve waited for the weekend!

Now, for the review….

The improvements over the Joye:

1. Speed of readiness. With the Joye, I had to wait for about 10 seconds before the system recognize my phone and hence CarPlay. With Ebilaen is basically instantaneous.

2. Audio: Audio improvement with Ebilaen is nominal, but it is improved. I still need to tune it, but sound is not as attenuated. But still not as good as with the direct iPod input.

3. Response: It seems that Ebilaen is more responsive and quick. When you change from AUX to iPod and back, it is very responsive.

4. Connection: so far, connection had been solid with Ebilaen. No dropped connection so far.

5. Compact: the installation is cleaner with Ebilaen. Just the board and some wiring vs board, module, wiring and dummy connector with Joye.

6. User Interface: much improved over Joye. Setup is easier.

The Quirks (so far):

1. When in iPod mode and using CarPlay over WiFi, I lose the ability to control volume with the head unit volume knob. However, the steering wheel volume knob works well. Fortunately, this is not an issue, as I have both the steering wheel knob and the Helix Conductor to control volume. I think this is due to the fact that the Ebilaen module takes control of the head unit volume control for CarPlay and it wants to control CarPlay volume when you are actually with the iPod.

2. Related to item # 1, when I connect through AUX, then I can control the volume in the head unit, but is different than everywhere else. The volume intensity is maximized by the steering wheel volume control, and the head unit can’t go above that max volume set by steering wheel. It can go down from there, but not up. It basically disconnects the two volume controls from each other. Hence why I lose control when in iPod. But don’t despair, everything goes back to normal when you get out of CarPlay. The only benefit with this is that it display a volume bar that goes from 0 to 40 (if that can be considered a benefit).


As for how I’m using it, I’m using it the same way as I was using the Joye module. Audio through iPod and displaying CarPlay wireless. Still no audio from GPS apps (other than Google Maps).

More to come on this, as I continue to learn and experience it.

What I can say for sure is that this is the last upgrade I make on my head unit…

PS: By the way, I didn’t bother taking a lot of photos or doing a DIY on this one, as this was masterfully done by @Don16. See earlier posts for a great video on how to do the installation.
Great work Santirx.

Should have re-watched my video lol! [emoji23]

I have been using for a few weeks now and absolutely no issues experienced.

Like you, when using wireless android auto I haven't experienced any dropouts in connection which seems much improved from joyauto. I had a 3 journey and used Waze via wireless android auto and it was spot on the whole journey.

The good news is there is a guy on rennlist who is a software developer and is likely to be able to resolve some of quirks such as volume control, 30 FPS, and investigating the audio quality issue with potential workarounds (bluetooth audio card).



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Great work Santirx.

Should have re-watched my video lol! [emoji23]

I have been using for a few weeks now and absolutely no issues experienced.

Like you, when using wireless android auto I haven't experienced any dropouts in connection which seems much improved from joyauto. I had a 3 journey and used Waze via wireless android auto and it was spot on the whole journey.

The good news is there is a guy on rennlist who is a software developer and is likely to be able to resolve some of quirks such as volume control, 30 FPS, and investigating the audio quality issue with potential workarounds (bluetooth audio card).



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This is good news @Don16, about the potential update to functionality. Please keep us in the loop. Is he posting any updates in Rennlist? Can you share the link? Or is it someone you know?

I’m still baffled by the microphone not working. I need to check, maybe I have a faulty microphone.

Yeah, I watched your video about two weeks ago. I should’ve watch it again.
 
This is good news @Don16, about the potential update to functionality. Please keep us in the loop. Is he posting any updates in Rennlist? Can you share the link? Or is it someone you know?

I’m still baffled by the microphone not working. I need to check, maybe I have a faulty microphone.

Yeah, I watched your video about two weeks ago. I should’ve watch it again.
Maybe but it's only two cables, maybe try joy auto microphone. I use the oem one built in with oem Bluetooth and it works perfectly.

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This is good news @Don16, about the potential update to functionality. Please keep us in the loop. Is he posting any updates in Rennlist? Can you share the link? Or is it someone you know?

I’m still baffled by the microphone not working. I need to check, maybe I have a faulty microphone.

Yeah, I watched your video about two weeks ago. I should’ve watch it again.

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So, I finally received my CarPlay module yesterday…. My plan was to install it next weekend. But that plan went astray… you know me, I could not wait that long.

Besides, I have done this before, so it would only take like 1 hour. At least that’s whatI thought.

With that in mind, I started the installation yesterday night (at about 7pm). Remember I’m changing the Joye module by this Ebilaen module.

Well… it took 4 hours and a divorce threat 🤣…. Not what I had planned.

A couple of unexpected issues….

1. Taking the head unit out was OK. Opening it, I had to refresh the process, took longer than anticipated, even though I had done it 3 times before.

2. Took out the old board, installed the new one over the same stands… No issues. Connecting wires and passing them through holes, no concerns.

View attachment 244659

3. This is where issues started. After assembling everything, I connected the head unit to the car, and could only see half of the screen, like everything shifted to the right. That concerned me, so I disconnected everything and re-opened the head unit to check all wire connections.

4. When reseating the wires, I disconnected one of the ribbon wires that goes to the screen and the whole connector came lose (I accidentally removed the whole thing - leaving the pins exposed). That concerned me a bit, but I know that these connectors can be reassembled. It just takes time and patience because the darn pins are so small. That took about 30 minutes.

5. Assembled everything back and got it to the car for testing, and this time it worked well. However, there were a few times during the installation that the screen when blank, and only got resolved by disconnecting and reconnecting the main harness. I hope this is not going to be an issue going forward.

6. I reinstalled the head unit (not the trims at that point), but forgot to test the microphone (Siri). I thought that I had the factory microphone. So, when I tried it, it wasn’t active. I took the head unit out again (fortunately I had not reinstalled the trims)… and connected the provided microphone. I could not get it to work. The microphone doesn’t work. I need to figure that one out yet.

7. While I had the unit out, I decided to test some additional items, like the backup camera. So… backup camera didn’t come on when I put the car in reverse. Spent 30 minutes before I remembered that I needed to take the emergency brake off…. 🥴. Even then, I had to activate a few options in the settings for the system to switch to backup camera.

When everything was all said and done, it was 11pm… (4 hours!!).

Should’ve waited for the weekend!

Now, for the review….

The improvements over the Joye:

1. Speed of readiness. With the Joye, I had to wait for about 10 seconds before the system recognize my phone and hence CarPlay. With Ebilaen is basically instantaneous.

2. Audio: Audio improvement with Ebilaen is nominal, but it is improved. I still need to tune it, but sound is not as attenuated. But still not as good as with the direct iPod input.

3. Response: It seems that Ebilaen is more responsive and quick. When you change from AUX to iPod and back, it is very responsive.

4. Connection: so far, connection had been solid with Ebilaen. No dropped connection so far.

5. Compact: the installation is cleaner with Ebilaen. Just the board and some wiring vs board, module, wiring and dummy connector with Joye.

6. User Interface: much improved over Joye. Setup is easier.

The Quirks (so far):

1. When in iPod mode and using CarPlay over WiFi, I lose the ability to control volume with the head unit volume knob. However, the steering wheel volume knob works well. Fortunately, this is not an issue, as I have both the steering wheel knob and the Helix Conductor to control volume. I think this is due to the fact that the Ebilaen module takes control of the head unit volume control for CarPlay and it wants to control CarPlay volume when you are actually with the iPod.

2. Related to item # 1, when I connect through AUX, then I can control the volume in the head unit, but is different than everywhere else. The volume intensity is maximized by the steering wheel volume control, and the head unit can’t go above that max volume set by steering wheel. It can go down from there, but not up. It basically disconnects the two volume controls from each other. Hence why I lose control when in iPod. But don’t despair, everything goes back to normal when you get out of CarPlay. The only benefit with this is that it display a volume bar that goes from 0 to 40 (if that can be considered a benefit).


As for how I’m using it, I’m using it the same way as I was using the Joye module. Audio through iPod and displaying CarPlay wireless. Still no audio from GPS apps (other than Google Maps).

More to come on this, as I continue to learn and experience it.

What I can say for sure is that this is the last upgrade I make on my head unit…

PS: By the way, I didn’t bother taking a lot of photos or doing a DIY on this one, as this was masterfully done by @Don16. See earlier posts for a great video on how to do the installation.
Another Quirk:

3. When I receive a call when connected to CarPlay and accept the call using the steering wheel button, it goes immediately to HOLD. I have to press the button again to get out of HOLD and then the person calling can hear me. This is a bit annoying.

A plus:

7. The system comes up so quickly when I turn the car on, that I could leave my phone connected and I would not have to do the long process of disconnecting and re-connecting the iPhone, like I had to do with the Joye system.
 
@Santirx does it work if you connect to OEM AUX BT for sound and then to carplay unit?
I’m not sure @Opt1k. I can try. But the last time I did this with Joye, I had a lot of interference between the CarPlay BT and the OEM BT, forcing me to re-pair the phone many times. I solved that issue by turning the OEM AUX BT off.
 

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@Don16, I read the rennlist thread (at least the last few pages). User “Konkab” posted a “latest“ firmware update that was provided by one of the vendors. Is that update for the module we just installed in our cars? I seem to be in the same version as yours, but have you figure out if we have this latest firmware?

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