[DanNYC]

...Um... No video shown.

I was able to see it. Thanks for posting.

 

[Shark]

So I assume the bolts suspected of being corroded can't be replaced? Ouch.

 

[Jim137a]

I recently looked at a 2018 Macan Turbo with the Performance Pack but the car had PCCB’s so i passed. The car was specced so beautifully otherwise but the cost of replacing the brakes scared me.

 

[Draper]

This is obviously an exceptional case, and under normal street driving conditions, PCCB rotors will last well over 100K miles. You might be replacing pads at some point, but they are no more expensive than pads for steel rotors.

PCCBs are amazing, and totally worth it. Full stop.

 

[vandit]

I love my PCCBs! No brake dust, stop like a MoFo, and look boss. Haters gonna Hate!!

 

[grim]

I don’t believe a PCCB brake job on a Macan is quite $15k, the cost is way way up there.

Why don't you believe it? For the rotors alone, an example

2015-2024 Porsche Macan Disc Brake Rotor 95B-615-601-E | Sunset Porsche Parts

2015-2024 Porsche Macan part # 95B-615-601-E - Disc Brake Rotor

www.sunsetporscheparts.com

$4908 discounted times 4. That's $20K just for the rotors forgetting the labor. You don't think its real?

To PCCB or not? – ORPCA

www.oregonpca.org

for spirited drivers and those hard on the brake pedal including during any “track” exercises, PCCB’s may wear out sooner than you anticipated. With replacement costs in the $20k+ range for front and rear, it might make you re-think adorning the sexy PCCB’s on your next Porsche.

Its very real and the reason, if you do some searching, guys who track go back to steel, unless you have deep pockets. This is new

Porsche says carbon ceramic brakes not intended for track days - LeftLaneNews

The discs can degrade quickly on the track, despite being originally pitched as lifetime components.

leftlanenews.com

Porsche has admitted that its expensive ceramic composite brake systems may not be the best choice for track days.... Upgrading from iron discs to carbon-ceramic rotors adds around $8,500 to the price of a new 911. A single PCCB replacement rotor carries a list price of nearly $6,500, or 20 times higher than the $330 iron rotors on the basic model.

 

[oqjnLu@>@W]

I was able to see it. Thanks for posting.

It's there now...

 

[PeterVV]

My 997 had PCCB‘s, and one of the rotors was damaged by a stone that became wedged in the brake assembly. Big bucks! And I am far from the only owner that this happened to. No question regarding how well they work, but I would never choose them again.

 

[Digby]

Grim, not sure if you watched the video or not, but the $15k was for front brakes. IIRC when I checked with the dealer service department regarding a Macan they quoted somewhere between 12 and 13k for the front axle. That’s why I said I did not think it was quite $15k. When I mentioned “brake job” in my post I should have specified I was talking about the same job discussed in the video, sorry.

 

[grim]

Grim, not sure if you watched the video or not, but the $15k was for front brakes. IIRC when I checked with the dealer service department regarding a Macan they quoted somewhere between 12 and 13k for the front axle. That’s why I said I did not think it was quite $15k. When I mentioned “brake job” in my post I should have specified I was talking about the same job discussed in the video, sorry.

Sorry

2015-2024 Porsche Macan Disc Brake Rotor 95B-615-301-AK | Sunset Porsche Parts

2015-2024 Porsche Macan part # 95B-615-301-AK - Disc Brake Rotor

www.sunsetporscheparts.com

$5598 list x 2 plus pads and labor. Yeah $15K a bit high but maybe $13K not out of reason

 

[SoCalS5]

Anybody with PCCB's that needs new rotors, but doesn't want to pay the high cost of carbon ceramic replacements, can contact a company like GiroDisc that makes like-sized steel rotors that directly replace the carbon ceramic ones.

If you read the 911 & 718 forums, you'll find some folks who'll order their car with PCCB's to get the benefit of larger rotors and calipers for track use, and then immediately swap-out the ceramic rotors for steel rotors upon delivery. When the time comes to resell their car, they'll put the ceramic rotors back on the car.

 

[vandit]

Anybody with PCCB's that needs new rotors, but doesn't want to pay the high cost of carbon ceramic replacements, can contact a company like GiroDisc that makes like-sized steel rotors that directly replace the carbon ceramic ones.

If you read the 911 & 718 forums, you'll find some folks who'll order their car with PCCB's to get the benefit of larger rotors and calipers for track use, and then immediately swap-out the ceramic rotors for steel rotors upon delivery. When the time comes to resell their car, they'll put the ceramic rotors back on the car.

all I see is GiroDisc for the 911, Boxster and Cayman. I prob will trade my Macan in before the rotors need replacing. Rarely keep a car more than 3 years anyway

 

[SoCalS5]

....all I see is GiroDisc for the 911, Boxster and Cayman. I prob will trade my Macan in before the rotors need replacing. Rarely keep a car more than 3 years anyway

True for GiroDisc's regular products; but they do requested applications as well....which of course will cost a bit more if your car is the first one they do. But as you say, for street use, most folks will not wear out the ceramic rotors during their ownership period.

 

[philbert]

Is there an aftermarket supplier (Brembo, etc) that offers replacement carbon ceramic discs? While replacement parts tend to have more margin in them vs as part of a completed vehicle, $5-6k per rotor against an $8-9k system when new seems particularly egregious, even by Porsche standards.

Considering brakes are a safety item, and the expected useful life was mentioned in excess of 100k miles, I’m not sure what Porsche is thinking here...

 

[philbert]

Out of curiosity, what do replacements of the new surface coated rotors (PSCB) go for? That system seems to be a better option for most buyers of a Macan...

 

[JasonMcn]

True for GiroDisc's regular products; but they do requested applications as well....which of course will cost a bit more if your car is the first one they do. But as you say, for street use, most folks will not wear out the ceramic rotors during their ownership period.

I contact girodisc awhile back.. they suggested thatto do a group buy of over 10-20 (don’t remember the exact range), and then they would consider it.

 

[grim]

I’m not sure what Porsche is thinking here...

Porsche sells performance vehicles. PCCBs advantages include much less unsprung weight and no brake dust. The lower the unsprung weight, the better. Putting them on a $220K 911 Turbo S or GT3RS makes sense. $8K options is cheap, its chump change when speccing those cars.

Whats is Porsche doing?

In 2014, at launch, putting an $8K option on a $50K Macan S was .... Can you spell P R O F I T !!!

Adding them to a SUV with a sunroof? ? PROFIT!!!

Not having to clean brake dust? Priceless.

 

[philbert]

Porsche sells performance vehicles. PCCBs advantages include much less unsprung weight and no brake dust. The lower the unsprung weight, the better. Putting them on a $220K 911 Turbo S or GT3RS makes sense. $8K options is cheap, its chump change when speccing those cars.

Whats is Porsche doing?

In 2014, at launch, putting an $8K option on a $50K Macan S was .... Can you spell P R O F I T !!!

Adding them to a SUV with a sunroof? [emoji23] PROFIT!!!

Not having to clean brake dust? Priceless.

Yes, I understand that, but the 911 guys are still resisting $5-6k per rotor replacement on their $8k package option. Price the rotors at $2k ea, and they’d probably buy them over the $300 iron ones...

 

[Draper]

Yes, I understand that, but the 911 guys are still resisting $5-6k per rotor replacement on their $8k package option. Price the rotors at $2k ea, and they’d probably buy them over the $300 iron ones...

Still probably not.

The only people replacing their PCCBs are those who track. PCCBs will last for maybe 2-3 solid track days. No one is going to go through the hassle and cost of swapping brakes that often.

 

[SoCalS5]

I contact girodisc awhile back.. they suggested thatto do a group buy of over 10-20 (don’t remember the exact range), and then they would consider it.

Interesting. Perhaps they are getting more conservative. Girodisc used to say a group of 5 was sufficient for a production run.

The other option now available is to use the front steel rotors from the TurboPP. They're the same thickness as the PCCB's, nearly the same diameter, and very likely a direct swap. The rears would require going to the smaller diameter Turbo rear rotors, and a different caliper carrier, but still very doable without having to buy a whole lot of extra parts.