if you track it, then it is worthwhile ...

Carbon ceramic brakes vs. conventional steel brakes: Is it worth the money ~ Real Cars Reviews

 

Cost - and what is interesting in that coming from the 911 / Boxster Rennlist Forums, most people who race their P-cars swap out the ceramic rotors for steel. They CAN crack under heavy load etc... so track guys will go steel. I had them on my 06 C2S and loved them but I'm already 100K CND on my GTS build and decided to stick with the standard turbo brakes.

I am sure your GTS will be SPECTACULAR.

 

I honestly can't see any reason to get PCCB on a Macan when Cast Iron brakes generally provide better stopping in normal operating conditions.

Evo magazine published a test between two F-Type Jaguars. One with and one without. The attached graph shows that the Carbon Ceramic equipped Jag only started stopping better than the Cast Iron equipped Jag after 14 consecutive stops from 100mph. Yes, that's right only after 14 consecutive stops from 100mph. When are you going to that in your Macan? On the way to the shops? Hauling the kids to soccer?

Indeed, when cold, the Cast Iron brakes consistently stop in a shorter distance than Ceramics.

On the track, There is no doubt that ceramics will perform better when put under a lot of abuse but normal people like myself who do not have bottomless pockets prefer Cast Iron on the track because the cost of replacement is cheap as chips compared to Ceramics if something goes wrong.

One small benefit of Ceramics is that they are much lighter that Cast Irons so they reduce the unsprung weight of the car. Benefit? Marginal IMHO.

The other thing you need to be careful of with Ceramics is changing wheels. If you are one of those people who do your own maintenance then you have to be very, very careful changing wheels incase you chip the ceramic discs. They are quite fragile. If you do, your done.

 

Of course when I win the Powerball, I will order the PCCB.

 

Not just initial cost but depreciation and running costs and risks.


On resell I suspect you would have a problem in that few folks would value them and many folks would offer less than steel brakes due to the issues and questionable benefits to any normal and to most abnormally aggressive driving habits.

 

Porsche charges €5300 + labour to replace one disc, so besides the 8000 initial cost reasons there are another 5300 per wheel down the line.

 

Wow! I knew they were expensive to replace....but not that expensive!

 

Not original cost, replacement cost. $18K or so for rotors.

And for the track guys, that article has it backwards. Read any 911 forum and those with PCCB replace with steel when a rotor cracks.

There is the advantage of no brake dust, which a good thing, but on a SUV, IMO, PCCB is a joke (sorry). If the track guys use steel on the sports cars, PCCB on a SUV is massive overkill.

 

And they are really easy to chip when removing or installing wheels. A chip and they are done.

Also, they don't work well in cold weather, according to roadtesters

 

And they are really easy to chip when removing or installing wheels. A chip and they are done.

I've thought about them many times, simply because of the no brake dust. But there is simply no way to justify the expenditure to replace them. I could buy another car for the cost of new rotors and that is ridiculous.

I've never read a single thing, other than the lack of brake dust, where they come anywhere near the cost for road use. For track use, the verdict is pretty much in. Many serious guys go steel.

 

Also, some people simply don't want yellow calipers

 

Yellow calipers are awesome!!!

 

Just providing a link here to some additional PCCB discussion that recently occurred in a build thread.....and which might not pop-up as readily in a subject search for PCCB's. See post 47 and onwards in the following link....

http://www.macanforum.com/forum/ordering-features-questions/104570-ordered-turbo-5.html

 

I had them before, and I ordered them again on my new Build.


Love that the Brake stays clean, love the extravagance of the Feature, love the yellow colour which matches perfectly with White/red/blue/black cars.


Love the Performance eventhough in everyday use, you will hardly feel any differences.


That the PCCB is more likely to get destroyed is a urban legend from former times, nowadays the Brakes are capsuled in, and are not likely to get damaged by stones and stuff like that.


The only Thing to mention is that directly after a car wash the brake will react with a lag for a couple of seconds.


BR

 

GTS/Turbo brakes are from Cayenne Turbo (front) and Q5 (rear). CCB for Macan are only CC at the front. The rears are steel. Is that true?

 

Simple answer is No. See below for all facts. PCCB on Macan are ceramic both front/back.

Cayenne Turbo brakes:
Front: 6-piston fixed aluminum monoblock red calipers, 390mm rotors
Rear: 4-piston fixed aluminum monoblock red calipers, 358mm rotors

Macan Turbo brakes:
Front: 6-piston aluminum monobloc fixed calipers with 360 mm internally ventilated brake discs
Rear: Single-piston floating calipers with 356 mm internally ventilated brake discs

Macan GTS
Same brakes front as Turbo, but back brakes on GTS are 330mm (same as Macan S)

Macan PCCB:
396 mm cross-drilled ceramic brake discs at front
370 mm cross-drilled ceramic brake discs at rear
Six-piston aluminium monobloc fixed brake calipers at front, combination floating calipers at rear.

 

It just doesn't make sense to me on an SUV, they look great and to each their own but if you can afford to put PCCB on a Macan you should be able to afford a 911 or Cayman to go with it IMO.

 

I don't have PCCB brakes on my Macan but, I do think that many like me , can afford a 911 but chose a Macan for it's functional space. Some wanted PCCB and others didn't . I always find it interesting that cost is related to a want for a 911 . That's cool but I want a Macan even though I can afford a 911 .

Just a different perspective


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I can't afford a 911. Perhaps a telethon or forumathon to help me please, with sugar on top

 

Sure Mark . Check's in the mail


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Everytime somone with a Cayenne or Macan orders PCCB, the accountants in the back office go .... Kaching. The marketing guys go Kaching Kaching! :laugh::laugh:

And when they are ordered on the sports cars BOTH those guys go Kaching, Kaching, Kaching :laugh::laugh::laugh: Because they know they not only sold them for the upfront cost but the owners will be buying steel when they chip one. :crying: The parts guys love those cars.

Porsche sure is smart

 

And who cares the most and seem to be most bothered? Those who never will order PCCB anyway

 

I think just to buy "Porsche" Brand cars, the sound "Kaching" already vibrates loud and clear.

 

I love the yellow calipers and slotted and drilled rotors. I'd get 'em if I had an extra spare eight grand lying around.

 

You didn't get my check yet ?


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@MDJAK ,

Didn't say the check had funds . Just asked did you get it . I like you but ....

Double tooth pick ?


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@MDJAK ,



Double tooth pick ?


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Come on, man, didn't you ever watch M.A.S.H.?


Radar O'Reilly would always say, "Hey, what the H E double toothpicks are you talking about?

 

@WHT TGR They replace the letter "l"...

 

@MDJAK I'm sad that you didn't respond to post 34. I took time to craft that. :crying:

 

When I was shopping for my first Macan, I came across a CPO car at Porsche North Houston that checked all the boxes except it had PCCB. Decided to pass as I heard the prices for pads and rotors are completely off the charts and the rotors are easily damaged.

Thought this video would be interesting to anyone considering PCCB. While I don’t believe a PCCB brake job on a Macan is quite $15k, the cost is way way up there. Apparently this is one of the techs at Stevenson in the Denver area.

 

I don’t believe a PCCB brake job on a Macan is quite $15k, the cost is way way up there.

Why don't you believe it? For the rotors alone, an example

2015-2024 Porsche Macan Disc Brake Rotor 95B-615-601-E | Sunset Porsche Parts

2015-2024 Porsche Macan part # 95B-615-601-E - Disc Brake Rotor

www.sunsetporscheparts.com

$4908 discounted times 4. That's $20K just for the rotors forgetting the labor. You don't think its real?

To PCCB or not? – ORPCA

www.oregonpca.org

for spirited drivers and those hard on the brake pedal including during any “track” exercises, PCCB’s may wear out sooner than you anticipated. With replacement costs in the $20k+ range for front and rear, it might make you re-think adorning the sexy PCCB’s on your next Porsche.

Its very real and the reason, if you do some searching, guys who track go back to steel, unless you have deep pockets. This is new

Porsche says carbon ceramic brakes not intended for track days - LeftLaneNews

The discs can degrade quickly on the track, despite being originally pitched as lifetime components.

leftlanenews.com

Porsche has admitted that its expensive ceramic composite brake systems may not be the best choice for track days.... Upgrading from iron discs to carbon-ceramic rotors adds around $8,500 to the price of a new 911. A single PCCB replacement rotor carries a list price of nearly $6,500, or 20 times higher than the $330 iron rotors on the basic model.

 

...Um... No video shown.

 

I was able to see it. Thanks for posting.

 

So I assume the bolts suspected of being corroded can't be replaced? Ouch.

 

I recently looked at a 2018 Macan Turbo with the Performance Pack but the car had PCCB’s so i passed. The car was specced so beautifully otherwise but the cost of replacing the brakes scared me.

 

This is obviously an exceptional case, and under normal street driving conditions, PCCB rotors will last well over 100K miles. You might be replacing pads at some point, but they are no more expensive than pads for steel rotors.

PCCBs are amazing, and totally worth it. Full stop.