[Jim Clement - Calgary]

Why do you think your Macan does not have a particulate filter ?
I thought all new cars had them ??

 

[VAGfan]

Gasoline engine particulate filter is not used in USA, only Europe.

 

[Jim Clement - Calgary]

Thank you - I did not know that..
It is very relavant as the big reason to use the current mobile 1 is the fact that it is designed for vehicles with engine particulate filters

 

[joyride]

Good morning all, piggy backing on this thread, I am a bit confused

Noticed that my oil level is a tad low while driving the past week, sitting at the mid-point between Full and Low. As a preventative measure, with a few lengthy road trips coming up over the next few weeks, I plan to keep a quart of oil on hand, to top up (a little at a time) only if/when needed.

Here is where I am confused

• Model is 2021 GTS (Canada), picked up in December 2020
• My first oil change in December 2021, dealership used 5W30 Mobil 1
• Second oil change in December 2022, dealership used 0W30ESP

Available to purchase at my local auto supply store is Mobil 1 ESP 0W30, which shows as Porsche C30 approved

Is this the correct oil to pick up ?
Why did the viscosity change between 2021 and 2022 oil changes, both done in winter ?

Thanks

 

[AssMan]

new owner of CPO 2020 gts. reading through the manual, this thing eats oil. ive watched my oil level slightly go down over a few k miles - i am going to have to top up at some point before my next service.

according to the manual, spec is C30 is 0w30 or 5w30. there is a sticker on the engine cover noting mobil 1, but not viscosity.. so i got the euro mobil 1 part.

but how do i know what viscosity to top up with till the next change? there is no sticker or marking anywhere noting what is in there now.

thanks for any input.

 

[lyricgskills]

• Oil weight: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2022/MC-10217270-0001.pdf
• Oil designation: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2022/MC-10208683-0001.pdf
  

 

[AssMan]

• Oil weight: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2022/MC-10217270-0001.pdf
• Oil designation: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2022/MC-10208683-0001.pdf
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yes thanks for this.

after reading through this thread, it appears the mobil euro formula for c30 is only available in 0w30, even though the manual lists 0w30 and 5w30. i am going to assume (hopefully correctly) that a top up with 0w30 mobil 1 euro spec adds to exactly what is int he car already (cpo purchased, but no reciept on the change prior to sale. only a stamp of the service in the manual).

im glad this was nice and simple.

thx for the link to this thread.

 

[omniphil]

Unless you are in the US, then you don't want the C30 spec. C30 reduced the friction modifiers as they are damaging to the particulate filters (Which US cars don't have). Get the regular Mobil 1

 

[Skeptic]

I recently had my first annual service, which was basically the first oil change.

Looking at the invoice, I noticed the oil used was Liqui Moly. If I remember correctly Porsche says to use Mobil 1 in the manual as well as the sticker under the hood.

Shoul I be concerned or is this normal? Should I ask the dealer to change the oil again?

 

[threeOh]

Unless you are in the US, then you don't want the C30 spec. C30 reduced the friction modifiers as they are damaging to the particulate filters (Which US cars don't have). Get the regular Mobil 1

That’s good to know but, what is the “regular Mobile 1”?

 

[lyricgskills]

I recently had my first annual service, which was basically the first oil change.

Looking at the invoice, I noticed the oil used was Liqui Moly. If I remember correctly Porsche says to use Mobil 1 in the manual as well as the sticker under the hood.

Shoul I be concerned or is this normal? Should I ask the dealer to change the oil again?

Liqui Moly is just fine. It is a German oil. I’ve used it in my past Macan.

Mobil 1 is readily available in the US at your local store. Liqui Moly I always had to order online.

 

[muncie]

That’s good to know but, what is the “regular Mobile 1”?

He's saying you don't need ESP formula but if it matters to you the only Mobil with Porsche C30 approval is the ESP one. Even if you live in the US

 

[omniphil]

He's saying you don't need ESP formula but if it matters to you the only Mobil with Porsche C30 approval is the ESP one. Even if you live in the US

Either will obviously work fine on a US Macan. I was just saying it doesn't matter too much which you choose. (But from my perspective I'd rather get the non ESP labeled version as it should be the older spec and have higher levels of the anti-wear additives, certainly want to prevent as much wear as possible)

The bottles labeled ESP should be the newer C30/C40 spec. I have a 6 cylinder Macan and use the Mobil 1 0W-40 European formula which is the older A40 spec.

At the end of the day, it's not really going to matter much what you put in to be honest. Full Synthetic oil in 0W-30, 5W-30, 0W-40, 5W-40 from any brand. I know we all like to obsess about special oils and what not (I certainly do) but let's be honest, as long as the oil is clean and changed regularly the engine isn't going to care one bit.

 

[Ace666]

Is there any real difference in using ESP
0w-30, Vs 5w-30? If you don’t live in an area with temperature extremes? (2018 Macan)

 

[omniphil]

Is there any real difference in using ESP
0w-30, Vs 5w-30? If you don’t live in an area with temperature extremes? (2018 Macan)

In theory the 0 weight oil will pump to the engine faster at any temperature. (Compared to a 5 weight oil) Most engine wear occurs at startup where there is no oil for a moment.
I want the oil to pump as fast as possible when I do a dry start to minimize any additional wear...

How much additional wear is being induced? that's any bodies [sic] guess, it may not be enough to make a difference if you're the type of person that is trading the car in at the 5 year mark.
I'm not sure I'd want to own any Porsche vehicle that had over 100k miles on them, but some people do and I'd want to take every advantage I can get no matter how small.

To answer the ESP question, the ESP formula was designed to protect the gas particulate filters that are fitted to most Porsches (And other manufactures) in Europe. The Macan in the US does not have these filters so it provides no benefit other than to potentially satisfy a warranty claim (Dealer could potentially say you used the wrong oil)

 

[PorschePhD]

At the end of the day, it's not really going to matter much what you put in to be honest. Full Synthetic oil in 0W-30, 5W-30, 0W-40, 5W-40 from any brand. I know we all like to obsess about special oils and what not (I certainly do) but let's be honest, as long as the oil is clean and changed regularly the engine isn't going to care one bit.

^^ Ignorant statement.
Modern direct injected (DI), high pressure turbo charged (or super charged) engines have specific engine oil requirements. Perform an internet search for - LSPI piston damage. This is just one example of what can happen if one uses the incorrect engine oil. It is not just about viscosity.
Over on the Alfa Romeo Giulia forum, there is an engine autopsy thread showing what happened when a fellow had an indy shop change his engine oil. They used an older spec Liqui-Moly oil that was not API SN+ or SP rated. The engine suffered broken ring lands on one piston, caused by LSPI. The rest of the engine, the tops of all the pistons, no problems. Heed this warning and use only Porsche approved-rated lubricants and other engine fluids. You don't know better than the engineers.

 

[omniphil]

^^ Ignorant statement.
Modern direct injected (DI), high pressure turbo charged (or super charged) engines have specific engine oil requirements. Perform an internet search for - LSPI piston damage. This is just one example of what can happen if one uses the incorrect engine oil. It is not just about viscosity.
Over on the Alfa Romeo Giulia forum, there is an engine autopsy thread showing what happened when a fellow had an indy shop change his engine oil. They used an older spec Liqui-Moly oil that was not API SN+ or SP rated. The engine suffered broken ring lands on one piston, caused by LSPI. The rest of the engine, the tops of all the pistons, no problems. Heed this warning and use only Porsche approved-rated lubricants and other engine fluids. You don't know better than the engineers.

We don't have a Alfa though... Any of these modern oils today are fine in our Macan, there hasn't been 1 case where someone damaged their Macan from using the wrong brand of a quality oil...
Low oil, yes. too much oil, yes. Leaving the oil in too long, yes... Wrong brand? no...

EDIT, I checked the Walmart super-tech oil (Not that anyone here would use that) but it is even SP rated....

 

[caglenator]

I recently had my first annual service, which was basically the first oil change.

Looking at the invoice, I noticed the oil used was Liqui Moly. If I remember correctly Porsche says to use Mobil 1 in the manual as well as the sticker under the hood.

Shoul I be concerned or is this normal? Should I ask the dealer to change the oil again?

I can't tell if your question was originally a part of this thread or not, but go back earlier in the thread and you'll find info about how to find the current guidance from Porsche for approved oils. There is usually a Liqui Moly on the list, but every brand listed has a very specific version or two to use. Since I don't know what year/model/motor you have, I can't tell you much more than that.

But I can give you an example: If your Macan requires oils that meet the Porsche C30 spec, the current list from Porsche includes this one fro Liqui Moly (you need to verify which Porsche spec your car requires - it's in your owner's manual):

Keep in mind that just a few months prior, the list actually included these two. Did anything actually change about the 4200's characteristics between then and now? I have no clue. The dates on the far right are the approval "expiration" dates, so you would think that the 4200 would have been good until August of 2025, and yet, it's now gone.

 

[PorschePhD]

We don't have a Alfa though... Any of these modern oils today are fine in our Macan, there hasn't been 1 case where someone damaged their Macan from using the wrong brand of a quality oil...
Low oil, yes. too much oil, yes. Leaving the oil in too long, yes... Wrong brand? no...

EDIT, I checked the Walmart super-tech oil (Not that anyone here would use that) but it is even SP rated....

I said nothing about choosing an oil by brand.

My point is, Porsche, and most other manufactures advise using an engine oil with certain specifications, not just viscosity, for very good reasons.

You stated, "At the end of the day, it's not really going to matter much what you put in to be honest. Full Synthetic oil in 0W-30, 5W-30, 0W-40, 5W-40 from any brand. I know we all like to obsess about special oils and what not (I certainly do) but let's be honest, as long as the oil is clean and changed regularly the engine isn't going to care one bit."

I stand by my response, that your above statement is ignorant.

 

[omniphil]

I said nothing about choosing an oil by brand.

My point is, Porsche, and most other manufactures advise using an engine oil with certain specifications, not just viscosity, for very good reasons.

You stated, "At the end of the day, it's not really going to matter much what you put in to be honest. Full Synthetic oil in 0W-30, 5W-30, 0W-40, 5W-40 from any brand. I know we all like to obsess about special oils and what not (I certainly do) but let's be honest, as long as the oil is clean and changed regularly the engine isn't going to care one bit."

I stand by my response, that your above statement is ignorant.

Porsche and other manufactures also make decisions about oil specifications for not good reasons. But thank you for your opinion.