As recently as April 2022, my dealer used oil "000-043-210-92" engine oil in my Macan. The price per quart was reasonable.

Yesterday, the cost of my oil change had skyrocketed. Now they are using "000-043-211-07" engine oil, charging $42/qt!

I asked two different dealer guys (same dealer - we only have one) and the story was the same. They are using a new, more expensive oil provided by Porsche. One mentioned it was a bit heavier.

These dealer part#'s mean nothing to me. Anybody know what is going on? I did find an article online saying that Porsche has changed their oil requirement from A# to C# (e.g. A40 to C40).

My Model is 2020 Macan GTS.

 

What does it actually say for a description on your dealer's invoice to you? Usually, there is a part # (which you listed) and a description. The description usually at least mentions the brand of oil used.

What Porsche calls for, and what your dealer installed, may be two different things. Your engine did not likely "switch" from Axx to Cxx. There is a specification in your owner's manual that indicates what oil type is to be used. This is also specified in documentation that Porsche files with the NHTSA (for US Cars):

In March of 2020, Porsche listed your 2020 Macan GTS engine as using C30 spec oil:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10173051-0001.pdf (see page 3 "Type 95B, Macan II, from MY 19")

In February of 2022, Porsche still lists C30 as the spec oil for your engine:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2022/MC-10208683-0001.pdf (see page (see page 3 "Type 95B, Macan II from MY19 up to and including MY20"

As of July 2022, Porsche lists these oils as being approved for engines requiring C30 spec oils (this list may not be the most current on file with NHTSA):

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2022/MC-10217270-0001.pdf

Perhaps your dealer could not get any Castrol C30-spec oil (which is all my local dealer can get), and had to go with something more expensive (Liqui-Moly or Motul, I guess)? Without the descriptions from your invoice, we'll never know, unless you call your dealer and ask them "WTF?".

 

Read this it explains the difference and when C40 should be used over A40

Porsche A40 vs. C40: Which One Is Better? - CarDeeply.com

If you've ever taken the trouble to go through the variety of oils currently available at a vehicle supply store, you know how confusing it can be.

www.cardeeply.com

 

Mobil 1 makes C40 spec oil Probaby also made by other brands

Mobil 1 Oil - 0W-40 ESP X4 - C40

Check out the deal on Mobil 1 Oil - 0W-40 ESP X4 - C40 at Suncoast Porsche Parts & Accessories

www.suncoastparts.com

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Mobil 1™ ESP X3 0W-40 is an advanced full synthetic engine oil specifically designed to provide outstanding performance for high powered engines, providing outstanding engine cleanliness, wear protection, strong durability and advanced fuel economy

www.mobil.com

MOTUL 8100 X-CLEAN GEN2 5W-40 - Motul

MOTUL 8100 X-CLEAN GEN2 5W-40 High performance 100% Synthetic lubricant approved by many car manufacturers. Speciall

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$12/Qt. from Suncoast, much less than $42/Qt. Dealer.
Get quotes from Indy shops for future oil changes, using C40.

Possibly see if you can bring in the oil yourself & bring the filter kit & just get charged for labor.

 

I think MY 2021 Porsches require C40 instead of A40 spec oil. I wonder if many Porsche dealers will fill with A40 anyway.

Mobil 1 makes 0w-40 C40 spec oil AND 0w-40 A40 spec oil.

My cars are older & use A40. Those with 2021 or 2022 MY should have a sticker near oil cap & also your manual should specify C40 spec.

Here is the new oil:

PdsDetailsPage

Mobil 1™ ESP X3 0W-40 is an advanced full synthetic engine oil specifically designed to provide outstanding performance for high powered engines, providing outstanding engine cleanliness, wear protection, strong durability and advanced fuel economy

www.mobil.com

 

Mobil 1 makes 0w-40 C40 spec oil AND 0w-40 A40 spec oil.

And same thing with 0w-30. The Cxx spec is the group IV oil, so ESP. The Axx spec is the cheaper and more common group III, now called AFE.

 

The article explaining the difference mainly references the flat 4 and flat 6 engines built by Porsche. The Macan obviously is using the Audi V6.. sounds like a bit of a cash grab from the dealer both in using it and in what they're charging for it.

 

Good point - Looking through this Forum one finds many discussions of problem points on Mecans - gearboxes, transfer cases, air suspension function, electrical and electronic glitches but, aside from V6 TCC leaks, the engines are rarely mentioned. I think the need for/benefit of $42/qt oil is certainly open to discussion. If the issue is the longevity of metal-to-metal interfaces ( pistons, bearings, cams, valve stems etc) when/where does a difference emerge? 150K miles? 200K? 250K?..........

 

Glad I got the maximum maintenance coverage package offered on my vehicle.

 

Oil change happens once a year. I am more than happy to take my car to the dealer and get them do the job. Yes, it is more expensive but building a great relationship with my SA has saved me tons of money during the ownership of this car.

 

Looking to buy Mobil 1 C40 in the future - Suncoast sold out, Amazon has a 6 pack for $120. Anyone use Motul, Amsoil etc.

 

Autozone has it.

Search for: Mobil 1 Oil - 0W-40 ESP X3

 

The additive packs added to base oils is all about meeting emission standards and emission component life. You are also likely to have an improved fuel economy by using the correct engine oil. Quite often engine oil leaks are caused by incorrect oil - emission standards - plugging up engine breathers causing engines to' breath' somewhere else. Like timing chain covers or oil seperators etc... I also interpreted the C40 spec as for horrizontally opposed engines - not inline engines. Either way I will use whatever Porsche says I should be using. Seen enough denied claims because of incorrect oils or ignored change intervals. Skip a couple of Starbucks every month and you can easily afford that Porsche engine oil.

 

Sometimes engine oil upgrades are backwards compatible eliminating the old spec.

 

That's great, but not applicable in the OP's case. There is no "old spec" for these 2.9L engines. C30 is the current spec for all 2.9L GTS's and Turbo's made from 2019 forward. Really, it applies to any US-market 2019+ Porsche with the 2.9L twin turbo from Audi. My wife's 2019 Cayenne S, with the same basic 2.9L turbo, uses C30, too.

Let me repeat this on behalf of the OP. Lots of other Macans call for some other spec of oil (A40?), but OP has a 2020 Macan GTS, which uses the 2.9L twin turbo V6 from Audi. All Porsche's with the 2.9L Twin Turbo V6's from Audi, from MY2019 forward, use the C30 spec oil. Not A40, and not C40. If you choose to put the wrong spec motor oil in your engine, that's on you, not the dealer. If the dealer chooses to put the wrong spec oil in your engine, SAVE THE RECEIPTS. If you have the dealer change your oil, verify what they put in (spec/weight, and brand).

 

This was an issue with the GT4 a couple years ago. C spec oil is designed for the gas particulate filter. We couldn't get the C spec so dealers were using A spec. Told that since our GPF was not monitored it really didn't matter.

FYI I used Motul C spec oil doing my own oil changes.

https://a.co/d/6AzZ6Qj

 

This was an issue with the GT4 a couple years ago. C spec oil is designed for the gas particulate filter. We couldn't get the C spec so dealers were using A spec. Told that since our GPF was not monitored it really didn't matter.

FYI I used Motul C spec oil doing my own oil changes.

https://a.co/d/6AzZ6Qj

I have 18L of their C30 spec oil on order. Two cars to do, and I like to keep a little on hand in case of emergencies.

 

The base 2L 2017-2018 Porsche oil specified for the Macan is C30 (0w-30) and for the 2019 and later base 2L a C20 (0w-20) oil is specified.

Anyone see a reason Porsche specified a lower viscosity oil for the later engines?

Any change in the engine, fuel economy standards, etc?

 

This should be checked each time you change your oil. For example, since my 2021 GTS came out, many oils have been added, and oils like Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30 and Motul 8100 X-Clean+ 5W-30 have been dropped

 

Why do you think / How do you know that the Mobil 1 Esp 0-30 has been dropped ??
I cannot see that ? for the 2022 - 2.9 L TT engine ?

 

Most recent communication from August 2022 for all 2022 model years concerning motor oils:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2022/MC-10219432-0001.pdf

 

Most recent communication from August 2022 for all models concerning motor oils:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2022/MC-10219432-0001.pdf

MY22 only

 

Typically oil weight has little to do with it. It is all about the additive package to meet emission standards. If you get the spec correct you will get the weight correct. Spec first.

 

Seems the additive package could be changed without a viscosity change though.

 

My Authorized Porsche Dealer invoice on first oil change listed 5w-30 oil as having been installed.

I inquired since my 2019 Macan 2L is spec'd for 0w-20 oil.

Was told "we put the correct (0w-20) oil in, the service dept just puts 5w30 on all of them".

I'm not really sure what viscosity they put in.

 

Was told "we put the correct (0w-20) oil in, the service dept just puts 5w30 on all of them".

Yikes!! That is not confidence-inspiring.

 

Extensive discussion from our sister forum, looks like C is not backwards compatible with A

C40 Mobil1 Oil Update: Beware of Dealer Ignorance

I know this topic has been discussed previously, but after my experiences of the last few weeks wanted to provide an update. As many of you with 2022 and possibly 2021 Porsche 718's know, it is now required that we use Mobil 1 0w40 with the "C40" specification approved by Porsche. In Caymans...

www.718forum.com

Bob the oil guy, right over my head 😬

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/porsche-approved-oil-replacement-of-a40-with-c40-oil.344150/

@MattAlaska you might want to read Pedros answer because MY20 cars did not have the filters

 

Mobil1 Cxx spec 0/30 and 0/40 oils are their ESP version, like pictured above. They're a group IV true synthetic oil. The more common Axx spec 0/30 and 0/40 is their AFE version, which is a group III, which is called 'full synthetic' in the US, but it's not, due to having a dino oil base stock. But changed every 5K miles or every year wouldn't make a difference IMO. But if you want to run it longer, then I'd definitely use the ESP. I put the ESP 0/30 on the 2018 Macan, but mainly to be able to leave it 2 years, since it only sees like 6K miles tops in 2 years. Porsche approved it for 2 years, but I think they went back to 1 year, probably due to dealers complaining they were losing service business. My local dealer wanted $400, so I sent it to **** this time. Last year they charged me over a grand for an oil change and cabin filter change. Aholes. Ha ha. Bought the oil at Walmart for around $50, the filter thru Suncoast, and did it myself. Dealer didn't even drain it properly, and made a mess when they sucked it. Was scared when I saw the huge stain under the belly pan, but fortunately, no leaks; it was from above. Never again to a dealer if I can avoid it.

 

Here are the oils that meet the C - 30 spec for the 2.9 L TT engine

 

Those are specs that Porsche published in 2020. Newer specs have been published since then (most recently in July 2022), both for older and newer 2.9L engines. It's always best to follow the steps at the top of the thread below to determine which oils are currently approved for your MY Macan.

Porsche Recommended Oils

AFAIK, in good faith, this is how I determine if the oil to buy is recommended by Porsche Go to Recalls | NHTSA. Click on the Vehicle Tab and enter your vehicle, like 2018 Porsche Macan A new screen comes up with all the models available. Follow the row of your trim level to the column...

www.macanforum.com

 

It would be nice to know what the functional impact of these newer standards is. If it is a two places to the right of the decimal point improvement in fuel mileage or emissions, I don't give a rat's patoot. If asked to pay $40+/qt for oil, I need something more than "Porsche says." (or even if the Audi models with, in my case, the same 4Cly engine, are target of the same reccomendation)

 

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How much to replace two particulate filters?

 

I am seeing so much conflicting information online. I know that Mobil 1 is Porsche's recommended brand, but can someone here definitively tell me the correct weight motor oil for a 2023 base Macan, 2.0 liter engine? And how many quarts. I don't yet have the vehicle, and I know that the first oil change is on Porsche. I'm just curious.

 

From 2019 onwards, the 2.0 engine requires 0W-20, Porsche C20 or VW 508 requirements.

Also, from 2019 onward, the 2.0 engine oil capacity is slightly higher than prior years, it now requires 5.2 Litres, or 5.49 Quarts.

0W-20 Oils that meet VW/Audi 508, and Porsche C20:

Castrol Edge Professional LL IV FE 0W-20​

Fuchs Titan GT1 Long Life IV SAE 0W-20​

Liqui Moly TOP TEC 6200 SAE 0W-20​

Mobil-1 ESP X2 0W-20​

Motul SPECIFIC 508 00 509 00 0W-20​

Ravenol VSE 0W-20​

Total QUARTZ INEO XTRA LONG LIFE 0W-20​

VW/Audi G 052 577 M2​

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One-time-use drain plug​

Porsche 958 103 801 00 $13​

VW/Audi 06L 103 801 D $2.33​

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Oil filter for the 2.0 4-cylinder engine
Porsche 958 115 562 01 $29
VW/Audi 06L 115 562B $16
Hengst E358H D246 $8-$12
Mann HU6013 $8-$12
Mahle 0X1217 $8-$12

The Porsche and VW/Audi filter are identical, made by Mahle (0X1217) and Mann (HU6013), except for the box and the price.

 

From 2019 onwards, the 2.0 engine requires 0W-20, Porsche C20 or VW 508 requirements.

Also, from 2019 onward, the 2.0 engine oil capacity is slightly higher than prior years, it now requires 5 Litres, or 5.28 Quarts.

0W-20 Oils that meet VW/Audi 508, and Porsche C20:

Castrol Edge Professional LL IV FE 0W-20​

Fuchs Titan GT1 Long Life IV SAE 0W-20​

Liqui Moly TOP TEC 6200 SAE 0W-20​

Mobil-1 ESP X2 0W-20​

Motul SPECIFIC 508 00 509 00 0W-20​

Ravenol VSE 0W-20​

Total QUARTZ INEO XTRA LONG LIFE 0W-20​

VW/Audi G 052 577 M2​

Thank you VAGfan, for your superbly detailed answer!

 

OK reading through this thread, I used the NHSTA site and confirmed the 2.9L six in a 2023 Macan would use C-30 spec oil, which for Mobil 1 is now only available as 5W-30. So what does the statement "From MY2021, only vehicles with 0W-...oils may be used for all vehicles" mean? Does that mean from MY2021 only 0W-xx oils are to be used, which would exclude current Mobil 1 offerings. I am getting a GTS early March, and after this will be chagining oil after about 1250 miles.

 

Do you have the NHTSA link for 2023? I couldn’t find an Oil one for the 2023 Porsche Macan GTS.

On the link for the 2022 GTS it designated C30 or 0w-30 which is a Mobil 1 Euro Formula 0w-30.

 

It would be interesting to know if the change in viscosity spec from "5-" to "0-" reflects a change in manufacturing tolerances, materials, design etc. or it is just another "find one more 0.001 MPG:" tweak.
(From someone who remembers prepping an XK120 with 14 qts 0f 40 weight Castrol R for SCCA racing)