They didn't say without active use of the dummy key

 

From what I gather from other forums about Porsche's Entry and Drive, you keep the fob/key in your pocket, it unlocks/locks the car automatically while the dummy key stays in the 'ignition'
So instead of pressing a button (or just choosing the gear in the Tesla), you turn the dummy key to start the engine. Still allows you to get in and out of the car without having to find keys and press buttons.

 

This is correct. The dummy key fob stays in the ignition and is not easily removed (never tried taking it out in my 958). Works just like any other keyless entry system. With the option, you get small flush buttons on each of the 4 doors that will lock the car. To unlock, just grab the handle. The actual key is only used to lock/unlock/open rear hatch if desired, or can stay in your pocket.

Not sure why Porsche uses the unsightly dummy key fob and not a button like most other manufacturers, but it's still a must have option for me.

 

I want a button!! Seriously how hard would a button be and how much nicer would it look!!!

 

I think it's a carry over from the whole "Porsche are performance cars" so that would be why they've avoided a start button.

Regardless, the Porsche Entry & Drive option in Australia has to be one of the most overpriced options for what you get (and most competing cars offer). I have it in my current car but think I might skip it this time. Does anyone know if you don't have it, do you still have the dummy key to turn, or do you have to insert your key? The reason I ask is the BMW X3 basic non-entry and drive requires you to use the buttons on the key to lock and unlock, but when you get in you can still just push the start button and don't need to insert a key.

 

Agree with you 2,307 times over!

Without entry & drive you insert your key into that same spot and turn (like a normal car)

I was going to get it but have read that it's not the most reliable system, e.g. seats will sometimes not move to your position when you open the door, or boot lid will not close, etc.

Also if my wife carries her key in her handbag and opens the passenger door before i open the driver's door, will everything go to her settings??

 

Makes sense I suppose. It is a different, more visceral feeling turning the dummy fob vs pushing a button to start the engine. We have both in our household.

In the 958, fairly certain you have to insert the key.

 

Thanks for the info Chylld. Argh I really think I might need to get this option now. #firstworldproblems.

 

I have entry and drive in my 991.

The ignition is already programmed for a push button start if Porsche wants to go that way. You do not have to hold the dummy key in the crank position and wait to let go until the engine fires up. Foot on brake, turn key to crank position and let go immediately, the car will start.

Personally, I think porsche will never give up key to the left and the need to turn it.

Fwiw, I like the option.

 

I'm not buying this option. Too expensive for what it gives you.

 

Porsche is insisting on the fake key to keep alive the racing tradition of having a key that turns, the same reason for keeping the key fob/fake key on the left hand side.

Personally I think it is a bad decision and I would have done it differently, allow drivers to insert the key anyway if one wants to "feel" the key turning and add a start button on the same side for the "lazy types". The fake key is just bad, bad design, bad idea and makes it look like one forgot the key in ignition thus could attract unwanted attention to say the least. And it looks cheap too while being way too expensive for what you get.

For these reasons I will not get this option.

 

Before declining the option, you should look at the fob you need to insert into the dash every time you start the vehicle. Cool that it's shaped like a Panamera but the thing is huge -- unless Porsche is planning a miniaturized one especially for the Macan. I'd rather leave it in my pocket.

 

This option is inclued in the US premium plus package. I'm not sure if i would have selected it on it's own or not. I have a similar system on my current Audi and it's very convenient.

 

I think MacFix may be more concerned about somebody smashing your window in, IF you park in a dangerous area and IF they think you left the keys in there.

For me, turning my wrist or pressing a button is much of a muchness. Though the window smash is more concerning

 

That makes sense. Personally, I will not take my p-car to a place where there is a risk of car jacking. I would take another vehicle.

As far as smash and grab is concerned, insurance should cover such thing. Material things can be replaced. Personal injury is what I avoid.

 

I have to ask, Where are you hanging out in the states that carjackings are that much of a worry?

Just so I can make sure I never go there

 

I've been frequenting Cayenne forums consistently for the last 3+ years, I haven't seen any owners report of windows being smashed because of the dummy key fob. Not saying it won't/hasn't or can't happen, but I personally don't think it makes my Cayenne more susceptible to a window smashing than the next. Frankly, that thought has never crossed my mind.

If you look at the image that was posted, the key fob doesn't look like a key at all- more so a switch of some sort. Not many manufacturers have the ignition on the left side, would a thug know even know what that is?

All that said, if you don't see a need for the option, no worries, don't get it. But I think it's a stretch to imply the dummy fob is some sort of safety issue, or makes the car more prone to break in/car jacking than the next. Those crimes are either premeditated based on the car itself, or a really bad case of wrong place, wrong time. Not because of a dummy key fob.

 

Also, 99.9% of thieves probably won't know that's a dummy key because on a regular car, the ignition switch is on the other side anyway...Unless the thief is very well versed in his cars(which I don't think many are) it shouldn't be a problem.

 

Coming from an M3, the push start was nice, but I miss the physical turning of a key. It's convenient, but I like the 'turning the key feeling'.

 

Agreed. The Turning is the key!

 

Does anyone have the Canadian order guide? I am looking for more details on standard features and what style of seat is standard on the S.

 

I'd check the configurator. I'm pretty sure 8 ways are standard on the S while 14 and 18 are options. Once you go with the 14 way, the step up to 18 is a trivial cost.

 

It wouldn't be a Porsche without the left hand key. As far as classic and racing Porsches go...

356:

917, which dominated LeMans in the '70's, uses a key:

962, which dominated LeMans in the '80's, uses a key:

This is tradition... I also have a Honda S2000, which has an ignition button on the left. Not the same as the key turn in the Porsche. I know it sounds dorky, but it's part of the experience.

 

It wouldn't be a Porsche without the left hand key. As far as classic and racing Porsches

917, which dominated LeMans in the '70's, uses a key:

962, which dominated LeMans in the '80's, uses a key:

This is tradition... I also have a Honda S2000, which has an ignition button on the left. Not the same as the key turn in the Porsche. I know it sounds dorky, but it's part of the experience.

Pretty obvious that with right hand drive the key will be on the left, yes?

 

The 18 way sport seats are standard on the turbo, the 8 way are standard on the S.

 

In the 1950s the 24 Hours of LeMans began with a footrace. Ferry Porsche had the mechanics install the key on the left so the driver could reach in and start the engine while still leaping into the car.

Tens of thousand of race victories since and every one of those Porsches had a key on the left.

Your Porsches of the future will never have a button. Only a key to turn, just like the first ones. It's your new car's heritage. Respect it. Or get a Honda.

 

If you're going to respect "it", you should at least know the truth. The key isn't on the left so it could be started while leaping into the car, it's there so they could start the car while putting it in gear w their right hand.

Fact.

 

Semantics. You're right. The key is on the left so they could start the car as soon as their asses hit the seat, their foot pressed the clutch, the right hand put it in gear and the right foot presses the gas. If you practice it a few times, it's almost simultaneous. Kind of what I categorized as a "leap".

But you're right. Thanks for the precision.

Still, the point of the post is that there will never be a start button, nor a key on the right in any Porsche. Or do you not agree with that either?

 

Semantics. You're right. The key is on the left so they could start the car as soon as their asses hit the seat, their foot pressed the clutch, the right hand put it in gear and the right foot presses the gas. If you practice it a few times, it's almost simultaneous. Kind of what I erroneously described as a "leap".

But you're right. Thanks for the precision.

Still, the point of the post is that there will never be a start button, nor a key on the right in any Porsche. Or do you not agree with that either?

Err....never say never....>

 

Do the BMWs still require that you put the key in a slot before pressing the button? Dumbest thing ever if you ask me.

 

Nope. I have a 2014 X5 and all I have to do is to have the key inside the car and press the Start/Stop button. And I don't have the equivalent to Porsche Entry and Drive. I still have to use the keyfob to unlock the car but not to start the car.

 

Heck...I have a 2008 Lexus ES that has the start/stop button. Works great until the battery in the remote start to die! All Porsche had to do was buy the hardware from the Japanese/Chine producer, like everyone else does in the industry. I wonder how much of a Porsche comes from Japan or China...or maybe even South Korea?

And aren't Caymans assembled outside of Germany? And aren't Audi's Q5s going to be assembled in Mexico soon?

 

And aren't Caymans assembled outside of Germany?

All engines are built in Zuffenhousen. Some were assembled in Finland, some in Germany. Cayennes will be built in Slokavia in MY16 because VAG now owns PAG.

 

@rhoyle - That was for previous gen BMW's that didn't get keyless entry (aka comfort access). For whatever reason BMW decided to not make keyless standard feature but decided to implement a start push button. I believe all BMW's are now getting keyless standard but I could be wrong.
@MrMarc - If the battery in a Lexus/Toyota key fob goes dead you can hold it up to the start button and you can still start the car. I've had it happen to me.

 

@grim

There might be a few cars on lots in over-allocated areas; I doubt highly there are many used Macans around. There are a lot of people still waiting for months for their order. These things aren't 911's, or even Cayenne's. Porsche has entered a far vaster CUV market here, and by most journalist and owner accounts, they are killing it.

I don't think you are going to see the pattern you think you are. Most people don't even know what a Macan is right now. Wait until the big mags get their hands-on tests out. Wait until the Macan starts winning COTY's in it's category, and maybe even overall.

When people start realizing they can get their hands on a Porsche that drives this well for 65-70K they are going to sell a ton of them, and I don't foresee any dusty lot models for quite some time.

Your mileage obviously varies.

 

There are 8 used cars in the Porsche USA national car search.

I have 5 dealers locally. There are 15 new Macans on their lots. Now "some" might be sold because sometimes dealers put into inventories "sold" cars but that irritates people because they call only to be told the car is sold.

Why are there they? Some are additional cars they were allowed to order, some are certainly cancelled cars, and some are probably the cars were not sold out.

I'm not sure what "over allocated" means. Dealers get what they get. They buy the cars from PCNA and stock them in inventory to sell to their customers. Inventoried cars were not customer specced but dealer specced.

Of course I could be wrong but read some forums of other cars. You can buy 2 or 3 Other SUVs for the price of one Macan Turbo. So those Toyota/Honda etc. buyer might not be high on the list of potential buyers.

I DO agree that the car will be desirable. No doubt at all. But the used car market will quickly start to fill as the first group of buyers become disillusioned. I originally said it would take a year. They will leave for whatever their reasons might be. It will be when the honeymoon is over.

It will, in 3 years, become like the Boxster Cayman market. 2006/2007 Caymans are hitting their third owners, in the high 20s. Sorry but Macan S cars will hit high 30s in 3 years despite those 65K MSRPs. They are making way too many of these cars at 80K/year? You know as the profits roll in, they will increase production, especially since VAG owns them. They could crank out more and more cars, and then the base car will come out.

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but I don't see how the price of 15 cars staying high. That why I say to Amelen, now is the time to take advantage of the pricing.

Just my opinion ...

 

I think I got duped. I thought this thread was about keyless something.