[Fast_Eddie]

Just bought it for 2015/2016 Macan from here: https://sellfy.com/p/SEUr/. USD$28.49



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[gmammakn]

I think that’s where I got mine. It only covers the 4 cylinder engine. Not the S or turbo. But everything else is there

 

[Fast_Eddie]

It refers to all engines and models, but comes with no contents pages - so makes finding what you want a tad difficult with 5,966 pages! .......at least if you are not familiar with Porsche terminology.

 

[Shark]

It refers to all engines and models, but comes with no contents pages - so makes finding what you want a tad difficult with 5,966 pages! .......at least if you are not familiar with Porsche terminology.

Eddie, despite that shortcoming, would you think it would be worth that price to a casual DIY’er? Without a lift, doubt I would ever attempt the PDK fluid change, but i’m certainly up for work like oil changes, spark plugs and brakes, and if it’s not impossible to find the page you need, I assume it’s an invaluable reference tool. Thanks.

 

[Fast_Eddie]

For USD$28 I think its a no brainer as a reference tool.

I haven't spent any significant time looking through it yet so no doubt there are others on the forum with a much more valid view. From the couple of things I have read it seems much more prescriptive than nearly all other manuals I have used. As such it looks as though any reasonable DIYer would be able to work through it OK.
However the difficulties for a DIYer are really when something goes wrong and having the knowledge and tools to deal with that outcome. So it really depends on your character - play it safe, or have a go and sort it out when and if there is an issue........sounds like you are in the latter category, in which case it seems on my short time on this forum that there are many good experienced people prepared to help out if you have an issue.

 

[Shark]

For USD$28 I think its a no brainer as a reference tool.

I haven't spent any significant time looking through it yet so no doubt there are others on the forum with a much more valid view. From the couple of things I have read it seems much more prescriptive than nearly all other manuals I have used. As such it looks as though any reasonable DIYer would be able to work through it OK.
However the difficulties for a DIYer are really when something goes wrong and having the knowledge and tools to deal with that outcome. So it really depends on your character - play it safe, or have a go and sort it out when and if there is an issue........sounds like you are in the latter category, in which case it seems on my short time on this forum that there are many good experienced people prepared to help out if you have an issue.

Thanks Eddie, I'm going to order it.

 

[jzwu]

For less than $30 the repair manual is worth it if you plan to do any work beyond the obvious.

I still remember the old paper repair manual for BMW was a couple of hundred dollars and it was not 6000 pages.

 

[rosen39]

One thing that would make this an easier job would be a lift system I saw at several auto shows made by Quick Jack. A hydraulic lift system on each side of the vehicle raises the vehicle on the jack points on each side. I was a little skeptical at first. They had a new Corvette raised up on these lifts, and I asked if there was a danger of pushing the car over. He told me to try as hard as I could to push the car off the lift. It didn't budge. Not a lot of money, and it is portable. Leaves the center of the vehicle open to work on.

https://www.quickjack.com/car-lift-systems.html

 

[gmammakn]

Ok. Prep, prep, prep, and more prep. Ready to get started. Drive the front of the car up on ramps. Jacked the back up so I could place jack stands under the frame and make the car level. Even had a level on the driver door sill.

Then I cracked the plastic piece on the Macan at the jack point (yes I had a Porsche adapter).

Swore a few times

Will try again this weekend

 

[gmammakn]

Making progress. Car up in the air and all parts identified

View attachment 211050

 

[gmammakn]

Ok. This is turning into a rambling thread. So when I complete this procedure I will post a concise DIY and maybe even a video.

So what I learned while at work and playing on the internet prepping for the job tonight:

I know there have been posts on this but even thought they call the transmission on the Macan a PDK, it’s not. It’s DSC from VW used on the VW products such as the Q5 and some other Audi sedans.

It takes VW PDK fluid, not the Porsche PDK fluid. There are aftermarket versions of the fluid for a lot less.

The manual says every 40K change transmission fluid and filter. The question this raises is whether they mean the filter that I got and bought in the kit from Suncoast, or whether they mean the filter inside the pan. I had the dealership do the change at 40k so I am going to look at the invoice when I get home and see what they did.

So more research needed at this point.

 

[Shark]

Thanks for keeping us updated. Nothing worse than being in the middle of a job like that and realizing you don’t have everything you need to finish the job.

 

[gmammakn]

Final post before I start

Here’s the invoice from the last change. It only shows the small filter and the VW oil I got. So the pan does not need to come off

And the NT 510 shows trans temp. But I’m not sure that the difference between one and two is

So now I know. After dinner we start.

 

[jzwu]

What Macan model is yours? Base?

I know S and above definitely use Porsche PDK.

 

[gmammakn]

It is an S. And the brochure says PDK. And I know I’m going to take flack for this but it is not a real PDK designed by Porsche. I have one in my 911 and they are completely different.

This is an VW dual clutch transmission. In a Porsche they call it a PDK. In an Audi or VW they call it a DSC or DSG. But it is the same transmission in the Audi’s and VW’sb. Not the same as my 911. Different fluids, different places, different intervals.

 

[gmammakn]

Ok. Drained fluid

Removed filter housing and replaced filter

Put back in plug with new washer. 33ft lbs

Tightened filter housing. 8 ft lbs


And here is where it gets interesting. Said I should get out 6.5L

Well I got out 4.6L

So from now on step 1 is check your level before you start.

I’m going to put 4.6L back in and see where I’m at

 

[jzwu]

It is an S. And the brochure says PDK. And I know I’m going to take flack for this but it is not a real PDK designed by Porsche. I have one in my 911 and they are completely different.

This is an VW dual clutch transmission. In a Porsche they call it a PDK. In an Audi or VW they call it a DSC or DSG. But it is the same transmission in the Audi’s and VW’sb. Not the same as my 911. Different fluids, different places, different intervals.

Hmmm, if what you are saying here is true my world is crashing down on me.

All the glowing reviews about the fabulous Macan PDK is actually a VW DSG? I might as well buy a VW.

 

[jzwu]

I also heard the Porsche PDK uses 2 different fluids?

 

[ewoo]

#jzwu let's not kid ourselves. Our Macans' are mostly VWAG parts--nothing wrong with that. Specifically, our PDK is really a retuned DSG (different from their sports cars' PDK). Porsche's charging us for their tuning--both handling and performance. And their badge. Nothing wrong with that either, IMO.

 

[uwdawgfan]

Thanks gmammakn for being the first Macan owner to document the process for us!

There’s a sticky thread on this forum specifically stating that the Macan uses the DL501 transmission from VW/Audi. Basically the same S-Tronic DSG in the S4/S5 and so on.

When I did some google searching the other day on DL501 and S Tronic DSG flush, I saw a handful of threads of some Audi forum members doing this service DIY. One guy even dropped the pan and replaced the inner filter in addition to the standard outer filter. He said the inner filter was dirty, but that he would be changing the inner filter every 80k and outer filter during regular 40k intervals. There are even photos documenting the job.
Whether the inner filter needs regular replacement or not is debatable. Dealer would probably charge a fortune to drop the pan to replace the filter. A new pan gasket is also required for that job.

Factory method of filling DSG that I've read about underfills it slightly (1/2 liter under). Then start the car and get transmission to proper specified temp range and top off. This is outlined below by the OP.

I'm not allowed to post links since I'm a newbie member, so you will need to google these yourselves:
audirevolution....topic=3117.0
audizine....743933-B8-S4-Complete-DSG-Maintenance-Service-amp-Sport-Differential-Service-DIY

The second method I’ve read about is measuring exactly how much fluid was displaced during the drain. Then putting in that exact amount back into the system plus 0.1 to 0.2 liters to factor in the oil residual loss and/or absorbed into the oil filter that was removed. I would probably do this with a cold car that has no been driven. Preferably in a place where the new PDK fluid is about the same temp.

There is more info regarding the second method below. Granted this is a different VW DSG transmission; however, the concept is still the same. Measure exactly how much was drained. Then add in the same amount to refill plus 0.1-0.2 liters.
myturbodiesel....dsg-fluid-drain-and-replacement-service-vw-and-audi-stronic-oil-flush/