Base C8 starts at $60k so technically you can order one at that price without any options. But I read the online forum that the C8 has quite a few quality issues, with some serious. if you want to get one it‘s better to wait for a year or two.

 

If you want to be driven buy the Tesla.
If you want to drive buy the Macan.

 

Most decent hotels offer EV charging in their parking lots. My concern is mostly on the route where you need to plan for a quick charge during the day. In CA it’s not a big issue though.

 

I don't know which most hotels you refer too but I am Marriott ambassador for a while and I don't think I have seen a single hotel with superchargers. It could be that I wasn't looking for them but I am confident that statement about that every decent hotel has supercharges is unrealistic.

 

Not superchargers but EV charging stations. I think Tesla can be charged via a portable cable slowly overnight, just not as fast as the supercharger.

 

I think there are better thing on vacation than looking for a hotel with supercharger.

 

If you are like me and your white water kayak is on top and you are two hundred miles from the nearest gas station and you have a river permit and your buddies are with you this will be epic. With a battery driven cart maybe not so much.

 

Seattle commuting is terrible, I swear it’s the worst I’ve experienced in the US (though I’ve never tried commuting by car to Manhattan). So all that power and fun will be for weekends.

You mention you are young in tech, so likely you can expect your earnings to just keep going up. The real answer here is buy something Japanese (honda, Toyota, Nissan or if you must, one of their luxury brands) and you will have a nice reliable comfortable car for 7-10 years of commuting. Then max out your ESPP in your company (if public) or invest in some mutual funds and put that towards getting your 911 in a few years. Avoid getting married and having kids if you can manage it and by the time you are 40 you’ll have several awesome cars.

Don‘t get me wrong, I love my Macan, but if someone told me they wanted reasonable cost of ownership for 7-10 years I’d tell them they picked the wrong car.

 

Avoid getting married

This.

 

Before deciding be sure to check out the new (April) edition of Consumer Reports. The 2020 Model Y fared very poorly in terms of its overall reliability.

 

See my post # 40 above. The problems are highly related to fit and finish issues such as body panels and interior trim. Seems that most owners need to plan on a trip back to the dealer to get these issues sorted out, and they generally are not issues related to mechanical breakdowns.

Not suggesting these issues are acceptable, but I am very intrigued by the fact the model Y scores so highly in both Consumer Reports and JD power surveys for owner satisfaction. As I mentioned above, I now have four friends that own Model Y’s. Each of them are true car enthusiasts who are not stuck on any particular brand, and each of them willingly admit they are things they don’t like, but overall are very satisfied.

Personally I would choose the Macan again, but it should be noted the model Y far oursells the Macan every month. The Y is not for me at this point, but I can see an EV in my future especially if battery and recharging tech continues to improve at such a fast rate.

 

I strongly considered getting the Ford Mustang Mach E before making my Macan purchase, and I do think an EV will probably be my next purchase. The only thing that held me back was the fact that I didn't want to own the first model year of a vehicle and to deal with all of the issues that come with that. The Macan will be my fun in the interim, and I'll reconsider my standing in a couple of years. The more time that passes, the lower EV prices will get due to competition, the more reliable they will become... all good things.

 

I know nothing about Teslas but have a friend that leases the Model S and way before the lease ends Tesla offers her a new car to renew the lease. She seems to be happy with the car and since it is a lease you do not get married to it.

 

Hey folks, new around here but I figured this is the best place to get opinions about the Macan.

So currently I'm having trouble deciding between a Macan and a Model Y. Is it fair to cross-shop these/compare these? Maybe not but I really do want a good daily driver that can last me 7-10 years. The rough budget I've set for myself is ~50-60k (taxes/fees/all considered) so that leaves me with a few options.
1. Model Y Long Range
2. Macan Base (newer)
3. Older Macan S/GTS (2015-2017)

I've driven a new base Macan (2020) and a S (2015) and can definitely notice the difference between the two (newer feels smoother, more responsive, but definitely lacking punch above 50mph). I much prefer the technology/infotainment in the newer models but also really want the punch from the more powerful engines.

I've also driven the Model Y and although its no slouch, it doesn't feel/look as sporty as I would like. Aside from that, the technology offers an AMAZING daily driving experience from autopilot, one pedal driving, or just the car telling you the light's green.

I think my biggest concerns about getting a Macan revolves around longevity/true cost of ownership. (Yes I know what I'm signing up for this when considering owning a Porsche/any sporty German car). Could anyone provide some perspectives on what to expect (avg annually, insurance, repairs, gas, etc)? And for looking at older Macans, what should I look out for/avoid.

Not planning on changing cars often so this will be a somewhat big purchase decision for me. I don't mind passing on the Porsche now and joining the brand later when I'm more financial prepared to take on the costs.

I would get a 17 Macan S. The ‘17 adds CarPlay which is great. The car is bulletproof snd will last as long as you care for it. Truly a 4 door 4 wheel drive sports car. A good loaded low mileage one is 40k. Long term you probably won’t be happy with the 100hp drop to the base.

 

I carefully looked at both. The Tesla is an appliance. Its purpose is to ferry passengers between two points with the least drama - and with minimal driver intervention. Keep in mind- there is no necessary connection between electric cars and self-driving cars. Tesla made that connection because their business model is to be create an appliance that enables all passengers (including the “driver”) to be detached from the driving experience and work, sleep, etc. Just look at the (nonexistent) dashboard of the Model Y - even the single control panel is facing straight back and not oriented toward the driver. The Model Y may accelerate fast, but without the feedback of sound and suspension, it’s not a pleasurable driver experience.
Compare it to a Taycan which seeks to engage the driver, even pipes in fake engine noise and has great suspension. It reflects the traditional Porsche philosophy of driver engagement. And in this regard, the Macan is exceptional. A true driver’s machine.

 

I struggled with this very question before pulling the trigger on my 2021 Macan S (which should be here soon!). For me, the cons of the Model Y far outweighed its pros:

1. I'd absolutely LOVE to have a self-driving car, but the software is still Beta. It's miles ahead of the competition but still has a long way to go.
2. As several others have already said: Tesla's build quality isn't great. They seem to take the same approach as almost every other Silicon Valley company nowadays: Release the product now, fix it later. I'm not interested in multiple trips back to the Dealer to fix things that should have been perfect from Day 1.
3. I keep my cars 7+ years, and there's not enough long-term reliability data on EV's.
4. Crazy fast 0-60 acceleration is great. But for me handling is much more important. Porsche has this down.
5. I do a lot of city->city driving. Range anxiety combined with having to spend 30 minutes at a charging station when the electrons are low doesn't seem all that appealing to me.
6. Finally (and this is what really killed it for me): I think the Model Y is just plain ugly. Honestly, I tried my very best to love the looks of the Y. But I find the exterior really bland and the interior just way too utilitarian. But I'm old, so what do I know?

Best of luck with your decision!

 

Model Y comes with a comprehensive 4-year/50k miles and 8-year/120k miles battery/drive units warranty. However, I agree it looks pretty immature, especially the front.

 

Hey folks, new around here but I figured this is the best place to get opinions about the Macan.

So currently I'm having trouble deciding between a Macan and a Model Y. Is it fair to cross-shop these/compare these? Maybe not but I really do want a good daily driver that can last me 7-10 years. The rough budget I've set for myself is ~50-60k (taxes/fees/all considered) so that leaves me with a few options.
1. Model Y Long Range
2. Macan Base (newer)
3. Older Macan S/GTS (2015-2017)

I've driven a new base Macan (2020) and a S (2015) and can definitely notice the difference between the two (newer feels smoother, more responsive, but definitely lacking punch above 50mph). I much prefer the technology/infotainment in the newer models but also really want the punch from the more powerful engines.

I've also driven the Model Y and although its no slouch, it doesn't feel/look as sporty as I would like. Aside from that, the technology offers an AMAZING daily driving experience from autopilot, one pedal driving, or just the car telling you the light's green.

I think my biggest concerns about getting a Macan revolves around longevity/true cost of ownership. (Yes I know what I'm signing up for this when considering owning a Porsche/any sporty German car). Could anyone provide some perspectives on what to expect (avg annually, insurance, repairs, gas, etc)? And for looking at older Macans, what should I look out for/avoid.

Not planning on changing cars often so this will be a somewhat big purchase decision for me. I don't mind passing on the Porsche now and joining the brand later when I'm more financial prepared to take on the costs.

 

Hey folks, new around here but I figured this is the best place to get opinions about the Macan.

So currently I'm having trouble deciding between a Macan and a Model Y. Is it fair to cross-shop these/compare these? Maybe not but I really do want a good daily driver that can last me 7-10 years. The rough budget I've set for myself is ~50-60k (taxes/fees/all considered) so that leaves me with a few options.
1. Model Y Long Range
2. Macan Base (newer)
3. Older Macan S/GTS (2015-2017)

I've driven a new base Macan (2020) and a S (2015) and can definitely notice the difference between the two (newer feels smoother, more responsive, but definitely lacking punch above 50mph). I much prefer the technology/infotainment in the newer models but also really want the punch from the more powerful engines.

I've also driven the Model Y and although its no slouch, it doesn't feel/look as sporty as I would like. Aside from that, the technology offers an AMAZING daily driving experience from autopilot, one pedal driving, or just the car telling you the light's green.

I think my biggest concerns about getting a Macan revolves around longevity/true cost of ownership. (Yes I know what I'm signing up for this when considering owning a Porsche/any sporty German car). Could anyone provide some perspectives on what to expect (avg annually, insurance, repairs, gas, etc)? And for looking at older Macans, what should I look out for/avoid.

Not planning on changing cars often so this will be a somewhat big purchase decision for me. I don't mind passing on the Porsche now and joining the brand later when I'm more financial prepared to take on the costs.

If you want technology and speed get yourself a used Model X. I bought a new 2020 Macan S in October and have put 8000 miles on it so far. I can’t say I love the performance of this vehicle. It feels sluggish and I find myself driving in Sport Mode to make up for it. The reason I didn’t but a Tesla myself is battery range. I also drove the Taycan and loved it but found it too small for a daily driver. Good luck on whatever you decide!

 

It feels sluggish and I find myself driving in Sport Mode to make up for it.

Macan should be driven in Sport+ mode - that's the Macan designed by Porsche. The rest of the modes are just to make it drivable for all others.

 

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Hey folks, new around here but I figured this is the best place to get opinions about the Macan.

So currently I'm having trouble deciding between a Macan and a Model Y. Is it fair to cross-shop these/compare these? Maybe not but I really do want a good daily driver that can last me 7-10 years. The rough budget I've set for myself is ~50-60k (taxes/fees/all considered) so that leaves me with a few options.
1. Model Y Long Range
2. Macan Base (newer)
3. Older Macan S/GTS (2015-2017)

I've driven a new base Macan (2020) and a S (2015) and can definitely notice the difference between the two (newer feels smoother, more responsive, but definitely lacking punch above 50mph). I much prefer the technology/infotainment in the newer models but also really want the punch from the more powerful engines.

I've also driven the Model Y and although its no slouch, it doesn't feel/look as sporty as I would like. Aside from that, the technology offers an AMAZING daily driving experience from autopilot, one pedal driving, or just the car telling you the light's green.

I think my biggest concerns about getting a Macan revolves around longevity/true cost of ownership. (Yes I know what I'm signing up for this when considering owning a Porsche/any sporty German car). Could anyone provide some perspectives on what to expect (avg annually, insurance, repairs, gas, etc)? And for looking at older Macans, what should I look out for/avoid.

Not planning on changing cars often so this will be a somewhat big purchase decision for me. I don't mind passing on the Porsche now and joining the brand later when I'm more financial prepared to take on the costs.

I just got ‘18 CPO Macan Turbo. No comparison to the Tesla. Hands down a better car.

 

What is a model Y?
It also makes me ask why? If it's not a Porsche, don't bother asking here.
We are Porsche folks here. The others are just beaters...

 

What about the new Toyota RAV4 Prime? I have not seen it in person, but the pictures make it look pretty decent. Toyota knows a thing or two about hybrids so quality should be pretty good. It’s relatively quick with 0-60 in 5.7 seconds. No clue how well it handles, but I’m pretty sure that the Porsche will beat it in that category. As a hybrid you also don’t have to worry about range anxiety. Fully loaded you can get it for 50K and start saving for your 911. Just food for thought.

 

Hey folks, new around here but I figured this is the best place to get opinions about the Macan.

So currently I'm having trouble deciding between a Macan and a Model Y. Is it fair to cross-shop these/compare these? Maybe not but I really do want a good daily driver that can last me 7-10 years. The rough budget I've set for myself is ~50-60k (taxes/fees/all considered) so that leaves me with a few options.
1. Model Y Long Range
2. Macan Base (newer)
3. Older Macan S/GTS (2015-2017)

I've driven a new base Macan (2020) and a S (2015) and can definitely notice the difference between the two (newer feels smoother, more responsive, but definitely lacking punch above 50mph). I much prefer the technology/infotainment in the newer models but also really want the punch from the more powerful engines.

I've also driven the Model Y and although its no slouch, it doesn't feel/look as sporty as I would like. Aside from that, the technology offers an AMAZING daily driving experience from autopilot, one pedal driving, or just the car telling you the light's green.

I think my biggest concerns about getting a Macan revolves around longevity/true cost of ownership. (Yes I know what I'm signing up for this when considering owning a Porsche/any sporty German car). Could anyone provide some perspectives on what to expect (avg annually, insurance, repairs, gas, etc)? And for looking at older Macans, what should I look out for/avoid.

Not planning on changing cars often so this will be a somewhat big purchase decision for me. I don't mind passing on the Porsche now and joining the brand later when I'm more financial prepared to take on the costs.

Hi,
Currently on my 4th Macan I can tell you that the GTS would be the way to go.Also zero problems on all 4 that I have had.The GTS will put a smile on your face every time you drive it!!
Good Luck

 

Hey folks, new around here but I figured this is the best place to get opinions about the Macan.

So currently I'm having trouble deciding between a Macan and a Model Y. Is it fair to cross-shop these/compare these? Maybe not but I really do want a good daily driver that can last me 7-10 years. The rough budget I've set for myself is ~50-60k (taxes/fees/all considered) so that leaves me with a few options.
1. Model Y Long Range
2. Macan Base (newer)
3. Older Macan S/GTS (2015-2017)

I've driven a new base Macan (2020) and a S (2015) and can definitely notice the difference between the two (newer feels smoother, more responsive, but definitely lacking punch above 50mph). I much prefer the technology/infotainment in the newer models but also really want the punch from the more powerful engines.

I've also driven the Model Y and although its no slouch, it doesn't feel/look as sporty as I would like. Aside from that, the technology offers an AMAZING daily driving experience from autopilot, one pedal driving, or just the car telling you the light's green.

I think my biggest concerns about getting a Macan revolves around longevity/true cost of ownership. (Yes I know what I'm signing up for this when considering owning a Porsche/any sporty German car). Could anyone provide some perspectives on what to expect (avg annually, insurance, repairs, gas, etc)? And for looking at older Macans, what should I look out for/avoid.

Not planning on changing cars often so this will be a somewhat big purchase decision for me. I don't mind passing on the Porsche now and joining the brand later when I'm more financial prepared to take on the costs.

I was in the same boat last year. When the Porsche factory shut down & delayed my build due to Covid-19 I ordered and cancelled Model Y's twice. I'm a 'car guy' and knew the poor workmanship and quality control of the Model Y would not work for me. Model Y poor paint, panel fit, interior defects, etc were too much for me. My 2020 Macan Turbo fit & finish was flawless and the performance is awesome.

Whatever direction you take . . . . . Good Luck!

 

I bought my 2019 Macan base with premium package,21 in wheels very nicely upgraded from my local Porche dealership back in May. It was a certified service loaner with 5 years left on warranty that was a great deal. I had my heart set on 2019 or newer with ventilated seats. I get 20+ mpg and use sports mode frequently. I still get giddy driving to work every day, you don’t see too many of them and they’re incredibly fun to drive. No regrets even when I make the monthly payment. Also, there is something awesome about saying that is my Porche.

 

I am amused by the armchair critics here who call the Y an appliance compared to the Macan. Clear that many of these critics have never even driven one.

The reality is the Y handles quite nimbly, and the performance model will blow the doors off of any OEM Macan, including the Turbo. Sure, when pushed to the limit, the Macan has better handling, but how many of us push our Macans to the limit, if ever? It’s clear that most of the armchair critics here have no idea what the limit is.

Not saying I’m ready to run out and buy a Y. The ride is just too hard for a non-sports car, and I am not a fan of the minimalist interior or having to go through menus on the display to do things that would be accomplished with a switch on most other cars.

Actually I could live with the body panel fit problems. Not saying they are acceptable, but I know several Tesla owners who were able to get the dealer to make things the way they should have been when the car came off the assembly line.

And I understand that a 300 mile range EV just will not work for some of us. But for many of us, especially those of us who can charge at home with few complications and rarely drive more than 100 miles a day, it’s workable.

There are some delusional forum members who really believe their Macans handle like Porsche sports cars. Yes, the Macan handles great for an SUV, but it ain’t no sports car and never will be, despite what the salesperson at your dealer might’ve told you. Porsche DNA is a fallacy. The Macan has little in common with a 911 or a Boxster or a Cayman, other than the hood ornament, the steering wheel, and the PCM.

Still enjoy driving the Macan, and mine has been relatively trouble free, but after owning a number of Porsche sports cars, I’m very aware of what the Macan is and what it’s not.... an excellent SUV, but no sports car.

 

There are some delusional forum members who really believe their Macans handle like Porsche sports cars. Yes, the Macan handles great for an SUV, but it ain’t no sports car and never will be, despite what the salesperson at your dealer might’ve told you. Porsche DNA is a fallacy. The Macan has little in common with a 911 or a Boxster or a Cayman, other than the hood ornament, the steering wheel, and the PCM.

Not sure what’s your problem with Macan and why you bash it all over but my persona experience after almost 12 months in the market for a new car which included but we’re not limited to: panamera gts, Tesla S P85, Camaro SS, C7 Corvette, SQ5, Audi S4, Audi A7 etc. out of those Macan won and my main requirement was nice interior and handling. Macan won.

Of course, I would be happy if Macan had a 500hp V8 under the hood but it never makes me question if it’s a Porsche.

 

Tesla cars are not really luxury cars but rather high tech EV cars. There‘s nothing luxury about them in terms of traditional car features - the interior is not even leather and no advanced suspension, etc.

 

I have both a Tesla Y LR (bought for wife) and a bespoke 2016 Macan S (now 37k mi).

The Y, especially with Acceleration Boost, launches like a roller coaster, but I miss the Macan's roar. The autopilot is fantastic for long road trips, especially during tedious traffic. Finding super/fast charging on the road (all free so far) has not been an issue, and I have fast charger at home as well. Y is relaxing and very pleasant to drive. 0 maintenance needed aside from windshield washer fluid.

The Y's insane acceleration convinced me to buy COBB Tune for my Macan S, and man, the car has transformed! It's even more of a thrill to drive. The $360 for oil change alone, I'm definitely not thrilled about. I get 16mpg on 93 octane, but I didn't buy a Porsche to save on gas (but it sure adds up compared to cheap electricity).

I drive the Macan if I'll be alone on a highway (I prefer toll highway just for the fun vs shorter ETA local road). For short local drives or if my wife rides shotgun, I drive the Y (my spirited Macan driving leads to wife's ire). My 8yo & 6yo kids fit fine in either car, but often like sitting in the Macan's driver's seat to pretend-drive, whereas they've never done that in the Y (could be my subliminal influence).

Absolutely no regrets with either car, aside from not getting COBB for the Macan sooner. Both cars are awesome; we're fortunate to be able to choose either; good luck.

 

Hey folks, new around here but I figured this is the best place to get opinions about the Macan.

So currently I'm having trouble deciding between a Macan and a Model Y. Is it fair to cross-shop these/compare these? Maybe not but I really do want a good daily driver that can last me 7-10 years. The rough budget I've set for myself is ~50-60k (taxes/fees/all considered) so that leaves me with a few options.
1. Model Y Long Range
2. Macan Base (newer)
3. Older Macan S/GTS (2015-2017)

I've driven a new base Macan (2020) and a S (2015) and can definitely notice the difference between the two (newer feels smoother, more responsive, but definitely lacking punch above 50mph). I much prefer the technology/infotainment in the newer models but also really want the punch from the more powerful engines.

I've also driven the Model Y and although its no slouch, it doesn't feel/look as sporty as I would like. Aside from that, the technology offers an AMAZING daily driving experience from autopilot, one pedal driving, or just the car telling you the light's green.

I think my biggest concerns about getting a Macan revolves around longevity/true cost of ownership. (Yes I know what I'm signing up for this when considering owning a Porsche/any sporty German car). Could anyone provide some perspectives on what to expect (avg annually, insurance, repairs, gas, etc)? And for looking at older Macans, what should I look out for/avoid.

Not planning on changing cars often so this will be a somewhat big purchase decision for me. I don't mind passing on the Porsche now and joining the brand later when I'm more financial prepared to take on the costs.

I have a 2018 Macan S that:
Insurance for 2018 Macan S and Tesla Model Y long range is ~$40 difference (Tesla Higher).
Tesla Model Y have more cabin and trunk room.
Maintenance is lower to not existing on Model Y in compare to Porsche that can run you from $500 to $2000 depending the year of ownership (10,20,30K services varies).
Tesla Model Y $ 3 are compatible with v3 super charging that will charge for 100 miles in 10 min (pushing 250kw).
Interior Quality in Porsche is higher in compare to Tesla.
last but not least keep in mind all Macan are scheduled to be electric in the next couple of years.

 

I have a 2018 Macan S that:
Insurance for 2018 Macan S and Tesla Model Y long range is ~$40 difference (Tesla Higher).
Tesla Model Y have more cabin and trunk room.
Maintenance is lower to not existing on Model Y in compare to Porsche that can run you from $500 to $2000 depending the year of ownership (10,20,30K services varies).
Tesla Model Y $ 3 are compatible with v3 super charging that will charge for 100 miles in 10 min (pushing 250kw).
Interior Quality in Porsche is higher in compare to Tesla.
last but not least keep in mind all Macan are scheduled to be electric in the next couple of years.

Perhaps Model Y is service free but when I researched tesla maintenance I found this. Not sure if anything changed but this doesn't look free to me.