Two very different classes of vehicle in my opinion. I found the interior quality and fit and finish of the Teslas to be lacking compared to Porsche.

Don't bother trying to compare insurance rates with anyone else. It is tremendously dependent on way too many factors such as location, garaged or not, age, driving history, credit score, etc. Call around for quotes.

Gas is of course dependent on how much you drive. I get 17-18mpg on my 2017 GTS.

For scheduled maintenance alone, unless you do the work yourself, be prepared to spend anywhere from $500-1000 for a minor service, and $1000-2000 for a major service (annual services, minor and major services on alternating years).

Don't forget about tires. Not sure what kind of tires the Model Y takes, but the sizes on the Macan are not the cheapest.

 

I made the switch to the Y. Porsche maintenance costs are crazy

 

I went to Tesla dealership. Then went to Porsche one. Then registered here.

 

Can't really compare because they are apple and oranges. If you are getting the Macan, get the latest model that you can afford.

1. Good daily driver - Macan > Model Y
2. Infotainment - Model Y > Macan
3. For 7-10 yrs - none on the list
4. Reasonable cost of ownership - Not a Porsche

 

The tech on the tesla is going to kill the macan, even more so the older one's.

Questions on the tesla would be what's your daily commute, where're you gonna charge and the biggie would be if planning keeping for up to 10 years, in Aus at least batteries only warrantied for ~8 years i'd imagine replacements would be fairly costly if even possible

 

I know my sister in law did a side by side comparison and the Tesla won based on maintenance, Tech and gas savings. What they don’t like is the loud wind noise in the Tesla. Personally I would miss the engine growl. Good luck. Dave T.

 

I have owned a Cayenne, 2 Macans and 3 Tesla’s (2 S’s and a Roadster).
Loved all of them. When I bought my current GTS I considered Y. Here are some thoughts:

1. I loved my S’s but couldn’t connect with the minimalist interior of the Y
2. I love the electric power train
3. The interior fit and finish on the Porsche is the best there is, IMHO
4. Macan is more of a driver’s car. Y is a great commuter
5. The tech is always going to be better in the Tesla
6. I do like the tech in the current Macan- big improvement over my 2018

Not sure if any of that is helpful though!

Bottom line, I am really happy with my 2021 GTS....but curious to drive the new Taycan Sport Turismo at some point!

 

• Porsche vs Tesla
• An suv (S and GTS) that handles, feels, and sounds like Porsche with Porsche DNA. A little tuning (as low as $1200) will reward you with even more power should you need it.
• A topnotch service experience (YMMV), compared to Tesla’s. Your overall ownership experience can be as good/as bad as your service experience. I’m lucky to have a great Porsche service advisor and team nearby.
• Great forum with very helpful members.

Love my GTS. It is like jekyll and hyde in a crossover disguise!

What I mean by that is if you feel like driving it (GTS) like in non sporty mode, just turn off Sport/Sport+, Disengage lowered mode and she’ll drive just as sluggishly with obvious delayed throttle response when needed. When you get bored, turn her into a monster: Sport+ engaged, Lowered mode engage, manual shift mode, heavy foot on the gas pedal , and shift the PDK as you desire. Brings me smile each time I hear the pops burble of the exhaust!!!

You can make the S and GTS sing happy exhaust notes with the PDK. Can the Y do that?

 

My brother-in-law purchased a Macan S, new, in 2015 which he ran for five years ~55k miles before selling it to buy a Model Y Performance. First, he’s typically 3-4 years and out always buying new cars. That he ran the Macan for five years says a lot. Reasons he sold is he wanted a new car and maintenance, all routine in this case, was creeping up. In the last year of his ownership he spent $5k - all new tires, new brake pads, rotors, PDK service, oil change, brake fluid change. That was it.

So he moved to a Model Y performance. Dimensionally, the two cars are very similar inside and out. Typical Tesla build quality issues with misaligned panels (he had an early build Y that he’s now had a year) and he loves the new center panel/touchscreen interface to run everything. What does he miss? Mostly the rumble on starting up the Macan. The handling is similar, acceleration better on the Y (but he never pushed his Macan) and the paint in blue is pretty sharp, the Macan is white. Also interior fit/finish/feel is better on the Porsche but now no real maintenance and no gas stations. A year in he seems pretty happy.

...but he still wistfully asks after the Macan every time we roll up. Oh, I bought it from him rather than see him trade it in for peanuts when dealer auctions were shut down last spring. I’m trying to do my own maintenance as much as possible, replaced the engine air filters and did my first oil change in decades last Fall, which helps keep maintenance costs down. I’ll do the plugs myself this spring when the weather warms up saving another $500 or so.

So if you can do some DIY, or are willing to get a basic socket set and watch a youtube video or two, then barring big items failing - which can happen with any German car - the Macan, even used, is a very nice ride. I don’t think you can go wrong either way, but the only similarity between the Macan and the Y is they are both compact SUV’s with four wheel drive.

 

The handling is similar

With all due respect, Model Y weights 5300 pounds and drives like an iron. It is possible that handling is similar cruising on a highway but you can feel every bit of that weight in tesla during spirited driving.

 

oh, while opinions vary I’d avoid the air suspension on any used car, particularly a German car. Inevitably they fail and can be quite expensive to repair blowing your total cost of ownership to another level. You can hedge off some of the risk with an extended warranty, but a 5 year warranty for around $5k means you’ve just added $1k/year to your carrying costs on top of maintenance. Unless you believe there is a 50% chance you’ll have warranty repairs exceeding $10k then it make no sense to get one.

PS if you believe you’ll have a 50% chance of more than $10k in repairs, outside of maintenance, in five years I’d suggest buying a different car.

 

I’d avoid the air suspension on any used car, particularly a German car. Inevitably they fail and can be quite expensive to repair blowing your total cost of ownership to another level. You can hedge off some of the risk with an extended warranty, but a 5 year warranty for around $5k means you’ve just added $1k/year to your carrying costs on top of maintenance. Unless you believe there is a 50% chance you’ll have warranty repairs exceeding $10k then it make no sense to get one.

Curious where you are getting your facts from.

First of all, air suspension systems don’t inevitably fail. Lots of forum members here have AS equipped cars, and the number of reported AS problems that have been minimal, even with Macans with well over 100k miles. And for the few that have had problems, turns out the parts that most commonly fail are not that expensive at all.

Also, you can get a six year extended warranty for about $5000 from one of the premier aftermarket warranty companies like Safeguard or Axiom, which works out to $833 a year. And it covers a whole white more than just AS. $833 per year for protection in years five, six, seven, eight, nine and ten on a car that has some wildly expensive parts does not seem so crazy. Of course chances are you are not going to experience more than $5000 in repairs during those six years (or the price would be higher), but the protection from a worst-case scenario seems to be worth the piece of mind to many here.

 

I think you can safely rule out the older 2015 - 2106 Macans from this comparison. You can get a nicely equipped 2018 Macan GTS for $60K with CPO warranty if you look long enough. They are starting to come off lease now, so prices should start to moderate. The Porsche is a driver's vehicle. The Tesla is a commuter car. The Porsche is all about the drive. I went out this morning in my 2018 Cayman GTS to grab bagels. The bagel place is about 5 miles from my house. I drove 20 miles to get to the bagel place. The Tesla is about getting from point A to point B as economically and comfortably as possible. If you don't get what a Porsche is all about, then buy the Tesla. It will save you money and aggravation in the long run, and is a much more modern vehicle.

 

When I pull into my driveway I always have second thoughts: "Maybe another circle?"

 

Did Elon fix the Model Y quality issues? Last time I heard the Y was a subpar car. I wouldn’t buy any car with apparen quality problems.

Why compromise when you spend $50k on a car? A Honda costs $20-30k and drives quite well.

 

The Model Y is heavier but its COG is also lower.

 

Thanks for all the replies! Hearing some similar points being echoed so maybe some extra context will help.

1. With COVID, I only really drive nowadays to run errands/pick up food but we're in the Seattle area and definitely want to get out and do more outdoor activities offered in the area (driving out to mountains for skiing, taking our bikes to trails). But when things get back to normal, my commute is about 13 miles each way (20-35 mins depending on traffic). I expect <12k miles/year.
2. I really didn't get what Porsches were about until I did one of those Driving Experiences where I drove a 911 Carrera S, a Porsche has become my "attainable" dream car. (I'm fairly young, mid twenties in tech)
3. I wouldn't consider myself a driving enthusiast but I'm eager to learn more

I love the rumble of the Macan, its interior/looks (a little on small side but manageable), and prestige. Not going to lie, I actually hate the thought of having a Tesla that's growing increasingly more popular and not-unique (seen some videos of people mistaking another car for theirs 😂)

Here's what I'm having an internal conflict about (and maybe some of the more experienced folks can chime in on this). Assuming I keep this car for a while, what will I regret more?
A) Getting the Porsche and dreading a few years in about not having the quality of life features in the Tesla. Electric revolution happening at a relatively fast pace
B) Getting the Tesla and living with a car for a LONG time that I may not love as much, regretting not getting to experience a great driver's car

Almost wish they just came out with the Macan EV already, I'm looking to get a new car in about 3 months. Maybe I should just get the Tesla for the long run and grab a 718/911 later on haha

 

Thanks for all the replies! Hearing some similar points being echoed so maybe some extra context will help.

1. With COVID, I only really drive nowadays to run errands/pick up food but we're in the Seattle area and definitely want to get out and do more outdoor activities offered in the area (driving out to mountains for skiing, taking our bikes to trails). But when things get back to normal, my commute is about 13 miles each way (20-35 mins depending on traffic). I expect <12k miles/year.
2. I really didn't get what Porsches were about until I did one of those Driving Experiences where I drove a 911 Carrera S, a Porsche has become my "attainable" dream car. (I'm fairly young, mid twenties in tech)
3. I wouldn't consider myself a driving enthusiast but I'm eager to learn more

I love the rumble of the Macan, its interior/looks (a little on small side but manageable), and prestige. Not going to lie, I actually hate the thought of having a Tesla that's growing increasingly more popular and not-unique (seen some videos of people mistaking another car for theirs 😂)

Here's what I'm having an internal conflict about (and maybe some of the more experienced folks can chime in on this). Assuming I keep this car for a while, what will I regret more?
A) Getting the Porsche and dreading a few years in about not having the quality of life features in the Tesla. Electric revolution happening at a relatively fast pace
B) Getting the Tesla and living with a car for a LONG time that I may not love as much, regretting not getting to experience a great driver's car

Almost wish they just came out with the Macan EV already, I'm looking to get a new car in about 3 months. Maybe I should just get the Tesla for the long run and grab a 718/911 later on haha

This seems to be the most sensible option.

 

I've seen some 2015 GTS/Turbos with ~45k miles on them selling for 35k, are these to be avoided?

 

I can't imagine what kind of condition those cars will be in. The cheapest Turbo i've seen here was $37K from private owner and it had like 70-80k miles on it. Also why are you cross-shopping a

 

I don’t think you’ll regret either. Plenty more cars in your future so get whichever talks to you when you drive it. You’ll know....

....and if you don’t get the feelz, then get a Toyota/Honda/Hyundai and enjoy the cost effective transportation. I wouldn’t recommend ever buying a car for “prestige” which is a manufactured illusion.

If you’re caught between the two, a Model Y Performance or Macan S/GTS are within striking range of a lightly optioned Taycan. I haven’t driven one yet, but would be willing to give one a shakedown run — in 3-5 years after someone else eats half the depreciation!

 

....and if you don’t get the feelz, then get a Toyota/Honda/Hyundai and enjoy the cost effective transportation. I wouldn’t recommend ever buying a car for “prestige” which is a manufactured illusion.

I totally get this and agree, realistically speaking all I need is a 25k Honda to get from point A to point B but just trying to make a stupid decision as smart as possible

 

Macan provides best overall performance, style and build quality in its class. If you are looking for better driving dynamics, Macan is the option. If you don't mind having spirit-detection capability on EV, get Tesla. There are many video evidence on YouTube.

 

I DO see an EV in my future, but I tend to keep my vehicles a long time, and the EV tech is improving so rapidly I think it may be premature for me to purchase one.

That being said, I now have three friends with Y Performance models, and the acceleration just blows my Cobb equipped Macan Turbo out of the water for a lot less $. I would almost consider one based on that alone.

But beyond that, the overall Y Performance driving experience is good, but just doesn't match the Macan in terms of comfort and handling. The ride is just way too hard.

And the Y just doesn't have the rich feeling of a Macan interior. Just feels so bare bones.

Most infuriating is all the menus you need to go through for certain features. It's like Tesla forgot it's a car and not a computer.

My final concern is one I don't hear much discussion about. What happens with servicing out of warranty Teslas? Keep hearing how difficult parts can be to get, and that very few independent garages will work on them. Is that going to translate to crazy repair costs when there is no alternative but dealer service?

And what happens when you are nowhere near a dealer? At least with the Macan, a well equipped indy, especially one specializing in European cars, is going to be able to make most repairs. From what I've read Tesla is about as uncooperative with independent garages as can be. And the most reliable aftermarket warranty companies don't seem to offer policies on Teslas whereas you can get decent 10 year coverage on a Porsche.

All that being said, I still find it a blast to drive a car with that kind of acceleration capability, especially at that price. And I like that EV's have a much simpler normal maintenance schedule, and don't mind the idea of sticking it to the oil companies and oil cartels and reducing our dependence on oil. Still an interesting idea, but I'm not yet ready to make the jump.

 

and don't mind the idea of sticking it to the oil companies and oil cartels and reducing our dependence on oil.

Oh, I am sure when we go 100% electric tesla will make sure electricity cost is capped at 11c/kwh forever.

 

Tesla is much simpler than any ICE car. Aside from the computer, battery and the electric motors everything else is same as a regular car. Parts may be a valid concern though, since Tesla never seems to be able to meet the demand. So parts availability can be an issue.

 

 

I have no skin in this game as I don’t own a Tesla nor do I plan on buying one anytime in the near future.

But in fairness to Tesla I would point out that the study you were quoting involves model year 2017 vehicles, well before the model Y was introduced.

if you actually dig into the JD Power data you will see that the issues model Y owners are reporting are substantially related to body and interior fit and finish. One of JD Power‘s executives even took the time to make the point Tesla power trains are actually very reliable. Body panels that don’t fit well are not going to leave you stranded somewhere.

Not trying to make excuses for Tesla. They’ve had more than enough time to resolve their build quality issues. They should just hire some laid off Ford, General Motors, and Chrysler engineers who can teach them how to assemble a car. They certainly have the money to be able to do that now they are no longer operating on a shoestring.

Four of my friends including two neighbors now own Model Y’s. All four of them have had to bring her car back to the dealer to resolve build quality issues. but in each case the dealer did resolve the issues and all four of them are enthusiastic owners.

Interesting that you did not show owner satisfaction data, where Tesla scores quite highly.

 

No where in tis discussion do I see my most important problem, which is range anxiety. There is no where near the proper refilling stations for the sewing machines. This is aside the fact that the sounds just aren't there that excite my ears.

 

No where in this discussion do I see my most important problem, which is range anxiety. There is no where near the proper refilling stations for the sewing machines.

I have other issues with the Y (see my detailed post above), but range is not one of them.

First of all, I rarely venture much more than 100 miles from home, so virtually all of my charging would be done at home. And when I do venture further, here in the Northeast the network of Tesla Superchargers is pretty robust and continually improving. No doubt there are still remote areas of the country where charging strategies remain much more challenging, and every potential owner will evaluate that for him or herself. And of course for some of us home charging is just not feasible.

One of my friends just returned from wintering in Florida with his Model Y, a very full 2 day drive. They only had to stop once a day for a 50 minute re-charge, and with a little bit of planning (which the in car software assists you with) you can combine this with meal stops and/or bathroom breaks. And they fully recharged the car at the hotel they overnighted at.

I find the Supercharger network to be impressive (although far from perfect) and while Tesla clearly continues to have build issues think Tesla deserves credit where credit is due.

 

As a Tesla stock holder, please by a Tesla. As a car enthusiast don't buy a Tesla. The build quality of Tesla is just mediocre and there's no excuse for it. I've test driven a Model 3 twice and just can't get past the fit and finish despite the tech. I'll also add that with VW's entry into the EV market and many others like Ford there's soon to be a better car made by a car manufacturer.

 

Well, I vote for the Porsche. I owned a Model Y Performance very briefly and had a pretty bad experience. Tesla's post-sale customer service is horrific. While I was attracted to the tech of the Tesla and the instant acceleration, sliding all over the seat in turns wasn't great and the sound and handling of the Porsche is a much more enjoyable ride.

The story of how my Tesla broke hard within the first hour of ownership and how I returned it is posted here: Towed back to Tesla after driving only 32 miles...

It took Tesla 4 months to fix the car and put it back on the market.

I used to be a Tesla fan until I bought one.

 

Well, I vote for the Porsche. I owned a Model Y Performance very briefly and had a pretty bad experience. Tesla's post-sale customer service is horrific. While I was attracted to the tech of the Tesla and the instant acceleration, sliding all over the seat in turns wasn't great and the sound and handling of the Porsche is a much more enjoyable ride.

The story of how my Tesla broke hard within the first hour of ownership and how I returned it is posted here: Towed back to Tesla after driving only 32 miles...

It took Tesla 4 months to fix the car and put it back on the market.

I used to be a Tesla fan until I bought one.

Bob: I read all three pages of your Tesla-forum post. Wow!

I admire your perseverance, and your unwillingness to be BSed, your fortitude in returning the car. And being lied to (problem with the GPS?!) is just plain unacceptable, by anyone, about anything. I told my kids, in their formative years, that they could talk to me about anything, anything is potentially forgivable, but lying simply prevents any starting point for communication.

More directly on topic: adjusting mirrors via a screen -- and what else do you have to do on that? -- seems like a technological step backward to me. I'll take dedicated switches, any time.

 

With the Model Y money I’d rather add a bit more and get a base 718.

 

Some ppl have to be the first to eat the crab. I kinda respect those early adopters. Without them lots of new tech won’t eventually succeed and flourish.

But personally I am more of the cautious type. I would, however, jump in if seeing the light clearly. In fact, I have been considering the Model Y for a while as it’s perfect for CA weather and day trips in the SF Bay Area. Its quality issues got me concerned.

 

I’m wondering where he found a 60k c8