Here is an email they sent

 

Walmart has the Mobil 1 European formulation 0W40 in 5 qts ($25) and 12 qts package. I just bought the 12 qts package for $50.

 

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The weight is not what Porsche recommends in the service manuals. The recommend a special for each engine.

 

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the confusion, but:

• Viscosity = the time it takes for a standard quantity of oil to flow through a standard opening at a specific temperature. Longer it takes, the higher the viscosity.
• For dual grade automotive oils the temperatures are -18C (0F) and 100C (212F) which is direct measure of how well it will lubricate and protect the engine over a temperature range
• Synthetic oils allow for a larger band compared to non-synthetics.
• 100C = the average temperature of a operating automobile engine.
• The SAE numbers provide a standardized measure across all oil brands.
• Too thick or too thin are both bad. Thus the manufacturers must specify the oil that can be used safely in their engines

Porsche is recommending 3 dual-grades of synthetic oil. The grade you choose to use is determined by the environmental temperature range your Macan will be operating in. 0W-40 viscosity will allow it to flow safely and not breakdown from -40C to +40C. So if you live in a very cold climate and your car has sat for a day, you can be assured that when you start the motor the oil will flow immediately and protect your engine. The reason Porsche recommends 0W40 is that it will protect your engine over 90% of the climate conditions most owners will ever experience. If you live in a particularly hot climate, idle a lot (taxi) or race your car, 5W-40 and 5W50 offers more protection for those higher-temperature conditions for longer periods of time without breakdown. If you live in a location with temperature extremes (like in ND, MN, NY, MA) you can run 0W-40 in the winter and 5W-50 in the summer.

Here's a good video that demonstrates the various viscosity flow rates at low temperature. First half is normal oil, second half is synthetics. You might think that even 15W-40 flows pretty good, but in reality it will take the oil pump several seconds more to move that thick oil to the top of your engine compared to 0W-30, during which wear occurs. It's not significant as there will be residual oil on bearings etc. unless the car has sat for several days unused.

Here's a good article: Viscosity - Choosing the Right Oil Weight - CIRCLE TRACK WAREHOUSE | PERFORMANCE RACING DISTRIBUTOR | AUTOMOTIVE PARTS
This chart is not the temperature range of the oil itself, it's the temperature range of the environment the engine will be operating in.

Not my intention to insult everyone's intelligence. I apologize if everyone already knows all this stuff.

 

All good info unless you have the 2.9 Audi engine and the requirements are different.

 

Getting ready to do the oil change on
my 2016 Macan S

Should I be using the Mobil 1 0w-40 European Car Formula ?

Or just regular Mobil 1 0w-40

or the Mobile 1 0W-40 ESP ?

I read through a lot of threads on here and havent really found a definitive answer

 

Getting ready to do the oil change on
my 2016 Macan S

Should I be using the Mobil 1 0w-40 European Car Formula ?

Or just regular Mobil 1 0w-40

or the Mobile 1 0W-40 ESP ?

I read through a lot of threads on here and havent really found a definitive answer

So your read what Porsche actually wrote???

Porsche Recommended Oils

AFAIK, in good faith, this is how I determine if the oil to buy is recommended by Porsche Go to Recalls | NHTSA. Click on the Vehicle Tab and enter your vehicle, like 2018 Porsche Macan A new screen comes up with all the models available. Follow the row of your trim level to the column...

www.macanforum.com

 

Just a little more information to add to grim's post. The NHTSA documents also include what oils Porsche recommends for what models/model years. Please note that these are somewhat regularly updated:

Up to 2020MY:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2022/MC-10208683-0001.pdf

2021MY:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2022/MC-10210775-0001.pdf

2022MY:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2022/MC-10208685-0001.pdf

Example from the "Up to 2020MY" document showing that Macans through the 2018MY use A40 or C30, depending on the engine:

 

My Porsche dealer switched from Mobil-1 to Pennzoil several years ago.

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I notice that Pennzoil Platinum Euro SAE 0W-40 Full Synthetic motor oil does NOT list Porsche A40 . I wonder if that is significant? (I just used that oil for my Macan.) My Macan was factory filled with Mobil 1 0W-40. Dealer oil changes used 5W-40.

 

Here is what the Porsche dealer tells me is correct, and I should use for my 2022 Macan S with the 2.9 twin Turbo engine.
It is not just about viscosity .. I believe it is more complicated, ash and other additives in the oil to allow the engine to last a long time..

 

This is where Porsche gets confusinig. This document, published by Porsche in July of this year, only shows the Mobil1 ESP 5W-30 as currently meeting the C30 spec. Previous versions showed the Mobil1 ESP 0W-30 version, too, but showed an expiration date. I guess their approval expired, and has been replaced by a boatload of Catrol variants (which is what my local dealer says Porsche supplies to them).

To make matters MORE confusing, this document clearly states "Model Year: As of 1984 up to 2020". This implies that C30 for 2021-2023 models could be different? WTF? The Mobil1 ESP 5W-30 version expires on 2022-11-08 (per this document). We'll have to see if that gets renewed.

Last point of interest - the screen shot below covers the 2022 models, but note the interesting line about 2021's at the bottom:

If it's any consolation, my 2021 GTS (same engine as your 2022 S) came with Mobil1 ESP 0W-30, and that's what use (I change my own oil).

 

yeah literally all of these bulletins etc cant get more confusing

 

Just called 2 local dealers by me

1 just said mobil 1 0w-40
couldnt tell me if it was the esp or european car formula

the other said mobil 1 0w-40 a40
again couldnt tell me if it was esp or european car formula

no offense to anyone that works at a service dept or parts dept
but thats exactly the answer i was expecting
“not really sure”

So with that being said
It looks like Mobil 1 ESP 0w-40 is the one to go with

is that what you guys who do your own oil changes are using for a 2016 Macan S ?

 

Just called 2 local dealers by me

1 just said mobil 1 0w-40
couldnt tell me if it was the esp or european car formula

the other said mobil 1 0w-40 a40
again couldnt tell me if it was esp or european car formula

no offense to anyone that works at a service dept or parts dept
but thats exactly the answer i was expecting
“not really sure”

So with that being said
It looks like Mobil 1 ESP 0w-40 is the one to go with

is that what you guys who do your own oil changes are using for a 2016 Macan S ?

You're over thinking this - the links I posted above include one for showing what Porsche's use what Porsche oil specs for "up to MY2020". Look in that document, and you'll see that a 2016 Macan Model S falls into the "up to 2018" data in the screen shot I posted, which means you look for ANY oil that lists the A40 spec. This is also clearly listed in your owners manual in the oil section.

Now that you know you need A40 oil, you can simply check the oils themselves to see if they list the Porsche A40 spec. You can also check the NHTSA web site (google "Overview of Approved Porsche A40 Engine Oils" 2022 and go with the most recent version of the document you can find). That search led me to this document from February of this year:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2022/MC-10208605-0001.pdf

There are many oils listed, but If you're sold on using a product from ExxonMobil, then here's the ExxonMobile oils listed in that document as meeting the A40 spec as of the date of that publication. If all of this is daunting or confusing, then just go to your dealer and buy the required oil, filter, drain plug and washer from them. If it's wrong, you can blame them, and you'll have the receipts to back up that blame.

 

I think they have changed the requirements over time..
for a 2022 Macan S using the 2.9 TT engine I still believe the correct answer is:
0W-30
I have attached the screen shot from the dealership showing what is in the actual Porsche website..
This is for Canada, but there is no difference for summer or winter, so that would tell me likely correct for North America.

 

Guys, just open up the hood on your Porsche and you'll see a small sticker that tells which spec oil your engine requires. They've been doing this for years. Nothing new.

 

I contacted Pennzoil with this question:

Pennzoil Porsche A40 requirement?

Why does Pennzoil Platinum Euro SAE 0W-40 Full Synthetic motor oil NOT list Porsche A40 but Pennzoil Platinum Euro SAE 5W-40 Full Synthetic motor oil DOES?

On your website

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It states: “All Pennzoil Platinum Euro motor oils offer complete protection and performance for European vehicles.”

Is there some reason the 0W-40 does not meet Porsche requirements but the 0W-40 does meet them?

My MY 2016 Porsche Macan Turbo was factory filled with Mobil1 0W-40.

Hard to believe Pennzoil Platinum Euro SAE 0W-40 is not appropriate for my Porsche.

Finally received a reply today:

"Thank you for patiently waiting. Upon further checking, Pennzoil Platinum Euro 0W-40 and 5W-40 switched formulations to be in line with the API SN PLUS/SP specifications. The 0W-40 SP version of this product (001H0962) has never had this approval. We did not seek the approval on the new 0W-40 grades, only for the 5W-40 grades.
Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 can be used where Porsche A40 0W-40 is recommended.

Hope this helps."

So, I will go back to Pennzoil 5w-40 next oil change or
Mobil 1 FS European Car Formula Full Synthetic Motor Oil 0W-40, which DOES have the Porsche A40 listed.