@ericsan13 I believe my comparison between the M5 and my i4 is very accurate because my mileage each year is very consistent. Admittedly UK fuel prices are more than the US and we probably are paying less for our electricity but I still say there is savings to be have switching to an EV but it’s only part of the appeal IMO it’s the way they drive.

 

@ericsan13 I believe my comparison between the M5 and my i4 is very accurate because my mileage each year is very consistent. Admittedly UK fuel prices are more than the US and we probably are paying less for our electricity but I still say there is savings to be have switching to an EV but it’s only part of the appeal IMO it’s the way they drive.

How much is electricity for you? Mine is 13.5c/kWh.

Most people with a modern house should be able to get a L2 charger and installation for about $1000. I think you mentioned you get 7kWh/hr from your charger? I am getting 11.5 kWh charging. So slight advantage if you opt for a L2 charger and must have the fastest charging speeds.

We actually have 240V to our homes. The main panels send 120V down each of two bus bars in the main panels. Each
circuit in the house utilizes 1 hot wire (120V) and 1 neutral.

Yes but I believe it still requires wiring a plug or a L2 charger, vs. Europe where you can apparently just plug in the charger that comes with your car.

 

How much is electricity for you? Mine is 13.5c/kWh.

PG&E charges .42 to .62 here in SF depending on rate plan, time of day, total usage. Hawaii got nothing on us.

 

hehe re JC, I can understand from a amercians pov not really liked am I wrong ?
I'd say JC's pov against Porsche is coming from the deep rooted dislike of Germans due to the past and P has been his target unlike BM/MB.
Anyway no matter you either like or not, from the aussie anglo perspective we like him (English humour to us is brilliant) but we sure wouldn't take his brief on car brands as gospel, just his own opinion......
TG UK was one of the best motoring shows produced.

There is no doubt EV is cheaper to run in the long term, service to service that are long intervals compared to ICE as well as charging but for how long ?
Govs will have to recover the fuel tax revenue lost no doubt about it........
The more sold as it will in the future the cheaper to buy AND might I add what of new replacement batteries - for what happens 2nd 3rd 4th owners looking ahead to buy.

This new EV Macan here in Oz will cost a bomb imo, near on A$200K (USD131,775.00) prob more depending extras that my prediction.

As for power outage world over should be 240V 3 pin plug - have a draw full of travel adapters what a PIA !

 

Can anyone imagine going to a gas station with, for example, half a tank of gas, and the gas station charges you more money than the next guy with 1/4 tank of gas? 🤯

Definitely ev adoption at 1% is infancy, cant wait to see 5%

Tesla combats Uber, Lyft congestion in New York City with Supercharger Congestion Fees

Tesla is combatting Uber and Lyft congestion at its Superchargers in New York City with Supercharger fees after the ride-sharing services have backed up EV chargers. This week, it appears the Superchargers are more congested than normal, and it could be due to the influx of Uber and Lyft...

www.teslarati.com

 

Lines to get gas is old news:

Massive Lines Form At Gas Stations After Pipeline Hack (Photos)

Panic buying across the East Coast is making the fuel shortage worse.

www.forbes.com

But yes, infrastructure is going to take a long, long time and those who have the privilege to charge at home will have the most to gain.

Also surge pricing is nothing new and incentivizes the right behavior. Hello Uber!

 

Macan hybrid please. Best of both worlds if done correctly.

 

Even better would be a plug-in hybrid! I see more and more folks going this route but they are typically single car urban families.

In a two-car family, you could probably have one EV and one plug-in hybrid to satisfy roadtrip needs.

Less of this 'charging station competition' for me. /s

 

They have implemented hybrid tech on Cayenne and Panamera. Hopefully, they will consider Macan in the equation. If the battery has enough miles (50 or so) to get me to work without running the engine that would be useful for me.

 

380 mile range on the Macan 4. 270 kW fast DC charging. Optional 4 wheel steering.

This thing will run like a Porsche sports car. My Taycan 4S was superior to the 997.2 Carrera I had before it in every way except for fun factor of shifting my own gears. I would still pick an EV over a PDK Porsche sports car. Row-your-own-gears ICE or just be comfortable and energy-efficient in an EV.

I recognize the diversity of forum members' ages here. But one thing we haven't discussed -- the next-next generation may not care about our ICE versus EV arguments. Because they'll either be doing public transportation, ride share, or some autonomous EV taxi. Take-rates on driver licenses are lower than ever, even in traditionally car-centric parts of the US.

 

I always think when a new car is revealed the venue tells you a lot about where the company see its potential sales coming from, the fact that Porsche has chosen Singapore tells me that the Asian market is where EV sales growth will be greatest. It the past many countries looked towards America for the latest trends but now it’s Asia, especially when it comes to technology.

 

I got up early to watch that? The livestream comments were brutal. 40 mins of rambling about some sculpture? And no prices, no real details, and zero enthusiasm from the crowd. IMO they should have done it in Geneva or any auto show. But I think you are correct. They know these are not going to sell here, so sell them in Asia, they catered to where the cars would sell. Porsche did say the only reason 718s exist today was because of China.

Where is the rear wiper?

You don't buy a rear wiper with 911s, at least I didn't. You don't need one. Its weird at first but once you see it, you never miss it. Maybe they changed the aerodynamics enough you don't need one? Look where the "wing" is. A bit weird but maybe they did their wind tunnel testing and you just don't need one. Or maybe, its just for advertising and looked cleaner?

 

Where is the rear wiper? Other than that, I was very impressed how they managed to maintain the classic Macan look. Would consider in a coupla years after the bugs worked out.

 

Where is the rear wiper?

It’s actually an option you can add on the configurator

 

The Tesla video was not accurate.

I know, hence the

It is cheaper to park a boat at home . However , adding a truck to do it sure can offset cost.I think they just like to show off . .

Could be, everyplace is difference and down your way they might be bragging since you say they rent exotics, or something like that, just to show off, but I see people keeping motorboats and hauling them with SUVs and pickups. And pickups are used as "work trucks" and some people just like Big Vehicles. Its no different than some people like tiny Fiats and Smart cars. Different folks, different people preferences. Everyone is different. Some people buy H1 Hummers too, and why?

Choices

 

I know, hence the



Could be, everyplace is difference and down your way they might be bragging since you say they rent exotics, or something like that, just to show off, but I see people keeping motorboats and hauling them with SUVs and pickups. And pickups are used as "work trucks" and some people just like Big Vehicles. Its no different than some people like tiny Fiats and Smart cars. Different folks, different people preferences. Everyone is different. Some people buy H1 Hummers too, and why?

Choices

you could be right. Massachusetts is a totally different culture than Miami. I am not kidding that there are people who try to qualify for a loan to buy an exotic car who are in bankruptcy. They will turn to the finance manager and say “but I never missed a car payment“.

 

I watched it. I still think electrics will be in our future, but still don't think the technology is there yet. Having said that if the claims of 0-60 in less than 4 seconds and a range of over 300 miles are accurate that's pretty impressive.

 

The three presenters, IMO, were targeting their audience. I don't think it was for US or EU consumption and looked FAR different than the 2013 Announcement at the LA Auto Show. And having a voiceover for the German video seemed amateurish to me.

I thought she said the Turbo was 0 - 62 in 3.2 When I look at these Tesla numbers, it does not seem impressive. Thats 2018 Model 3 top trim level times, five years old. I would expect Porsche to be better than Tesla.

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Ok UK prices are in

Macan 4 - £69,800 and on steel springs
Turbo - £95,000 and on air suspension

Both prices are significantly more than the previous model though I imagine standard kit will also be up but until those details released that’s only a guess.

At the moment I am not 100% convinced, I was comparing interiors and exteriors between this and the previous Macan, I think Porsche has played it a little too safe. You look at the Taycan and it was a complete departure from anything previous but this is too close.

I will definitely need to see it in the flesh before I’m convinced.

 

Ok UK prices are in

Macan 4 - £69,800 and on steel springs
Turbo - £95,000 and on air suspension

$84,500 for base
$106,950 for Turbo

How I would spec it would be $114,230. which is minimal options. No bling. For that much money I can get a stripped 992.

I think you are right about the clean look. Here in Toronto I use the rear wiper quite a bit in snowy, slushy weather So I really need one.

No, its a $370 option. That tells me that its like the 911 was, you don't need to because of the aerodynamics. You wouldn't need it for snow either. Its magical how the bad weather doesn't accumulate.

 

...and no federal/state EV ($7500) rebate in the US...


Hold me back!!! (NOT!!!)

 

Not correct. For example, NYS has a $500 rebate for Porsche EV and e-hybrid cars. Also, the Federal credit is available if you lease. The state credit and rebate rules vary by state. Also, some states exempt sales tax on EV cars. Some states also give rebates or credits for charging equipment and provide for discounted tolls. People need to check their state’s rules.

 

My Porsche dealer is giving Taycans as loaners. My SA said nobody wants those cars. The Macan EV looks like a Taycan which is not a fun car at all. Hertz is dumping their Teslas. Winter has turned most electric cars here in the Midwest in useless cars. Nobody wants electric cars but hey… our Government thinks we do. I will keep my Macan S until it dies. The car is an absolute pleasure to drive.

 

I was offered one as a loaner this week when I brought my wife’s car in for annual service and NYS inspection. I politely declined.

 

The Turbo model is an insane price...not for me thank you.

 

I have a feeling what model my next Porsche loaner is going to be.
I actually don't hate the way it looks. Good color choices. Interior design looks nice and clean.
And in cherished Porsche fashion you can put $8650 wheels on the base model.
But I'm not paying $100K+ for a battery on wheels, sorry.

 

I watched the launch and was really impressed with the 4’s mileage, hopefully this tech will make it to the Taycan. Did anyone mention the weights in all of the discussions?

 

Did anyone mention the weights in all of the discussions?

Configurator US says
base 4
Curb weight 5,247 lb
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) 6,437 lb
turbo
Curb weight 5,393 lb
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) 6,504 lb

 

Wow, thats fat 😃

thanks

 

Watched all 47 minutes of the launch video. 42 minutes of fluff, 5 minutes of real content about the new EV. There will be 2 models, the Macan 4 and the Macan Turbo. Also, the configurator for the Macan EV is active. A little glitchy, but you can get an idea of the options, colors, etc.

 

Me too. Wasted 47 minutes of my life. What a massive anticlimax. Porsche should have done much better.

 

Some interesting stuff in the Porsche EV technical pages, which few people probably read.

A few examples:

"The maximum drive power of an all-electric vehicle is contingent on different factors compared to the maximum drive power of a combustion engine."

"With respect to Launch Control ... the measurement starts as soon as the vehicle accelerates under full load."

"The actual available drive power may be considerably lower than the maximum performance drive power measured on the test stand."

Important information for determining the advertised drive power in accordance with GTR21.

Here on this page you will find information about Technical Regulation GTR21.

www.porsche.com

 

Reads like a class action lawsuit disclaimer.

 

We are talking about the US here, lawsuits are the norm if there’s a quick buck to be made.

 

I was Right when everyone said i was crazy that a base macan EV With a few options would be $110,000 after taxes and delivery fees. Porsche is going to lose a lot of customers because their entry level vehicle is 6 figures now. I was at the dealer yesterday and was talking with the sales manager and he agreed that MOST not all but most of the people who buy the Macsn EV will be tesla owners who never owned a Porsche before.

 

I was at the dealer yesterday and was talking with the sales manager and he agreed that MOST not all but most of the people who buy the Macsn EV will be tesla owners who never owned a Porsche before.

FWIW, I have heard the same thing for Taycans. The early adopters, for the most part, were just Tesla buyers looking to move on, or up. I suspect the same thing will hold true for the Macan, that is, early adopters on the EV bandwagon looking to move up to a pcar, will be the early adopters of this vehicle in the US. Its easy to see here there are already new members doing exactly that so at least to a degree, this is happening.

 

Here is the official announcement.

World premiere: Porsche takes the all-electric 2024 Macan to a new level

The new Macan 4 and Macan Turbo aim to fulfill the requirements of Porsche customers choosing an SUV.

newsroom.porsche.com

They have noted that its the Second Generation.

 

Given the pricing of the Macan EV in the US, it seems the S will slot right in between the 4 and Turbo. And perhaps when the GTS is ready, the price of the Turbo goes even higher so that it can be right above the S - yikes.

At this point, my mind is having a hard time with any six figure (or close to it) EV. While it maybe wasn't so true in the past when Teslas first hit the market, I tend to think in 2-3 years given where we're at, many of today's EV will be outdated due to advancements in battery tech.

I also keep thinking iPhone on wheels. At some point, the tech will get so good that getting that next gen really doesn't give you the much more, so staying w the current for a few years is just fine. For better or worse, I think we're still far away from that point in EVs as a whole, but the stated range of the Macan EV is encouraging.