[Footie]

You have not addressed the core issues I mentioned. A short summary

1. Many in America do NOT have the luxury of charging at home. They have community parking. You park wherever you can depending when you get home. Many people in HOAs will NOT appreciate being told their monthly fees will go up if the decide to install charging stations. There are many Macan owners in apartments. Where do they charge?
2. What is the ROI to make up the sunk costs to install the charging equipment vs price of gas. Don't forget gas in the US is much cheaper than in the EU or UK. The difference between regular and high test gas is significant, it can be over a $1/gallon.
3. You haven't addressed that our weather seems much worse than the EU. Outages for a week happen, and its not an anomaly. Have it happen to you once and you will get very angry with the power company. Trees grow, they take down lines, and its perpetual, forever. For some reason those trees won't stop growing!
4. Once the number of EVs increase, there ie NO WAY the grid can handle. Brownouts happen. We get told to NOT use electric on hot days. And we get a LOT of hot days.
5. Nights can be HOT. I know it can be "off-peak" but in the summer, that when the AC runs so people can sleep. During the day they might be at work. Our biggest electric bills are NOT in the summer, but in the winter when it's cold. However, the electric company gets HUGE electric draws in the summer because of AC.

America is a different country and I do get it that your weather can be more extreme and more often but in Europe their temperatures can get as high and they are rolling out EVs as quick if not quicker than the UK. I think the main difference is what we discussed as you as a people being rebels at heart and not wanting it forced upon them, the limitations of home charging options etc.

But the real elephant in the room is that the world isn’t making any more oil and we are running out, alternative fuels are an option but the price of these are crazy at the moment. Plus petrol/diesel isn’t the most important thing made from oil, chemicals to plastic etc are arguably much more important and once the oil is gone then what.

 

[sergeyb]

@grim, I cannot disagree with a single point you made. I was just sharing my experience that may be relevant to the audience of this forum, which are current ICE Macan owners, who might be considering Macan EV.

Money: No one can possibly be thinking this will going to be cheap. Current Macan owners know too well about increasing cost on new models, services, insurance. I took a second job so I can order a no compromise build knowing at the time this will be a 12+ months wait and I will keep it a long time. MY2023 was the first year that missed on $7,500 government incentive and by delivery time interest rates ended up to be the highest in a long time. The biggest impact to your point is Depreciation of EVs, which is brutal, but this only matters if someone trades or sells. The Repair is also a big factor after warranty, but owning any Porsche without warranty is a big risk either way.

Infrastructure: This is by far the second biggest factor in wider adoption and disappointment from many owners that thought they would just get by with public charging. Home charging is key and have to be affordable to your point. Mine was $400 for install since my copper wire just went behind the wall from panel to the charger $400 for the Charger.

Convenience: I can see people forget to plug in, however, I consider this part the most convenient, including climate preconditioning before going out. Plug in and go to sleep. I do not have to be in the open weather and inhale the fumes with more motions needed for the pump than the charging cable, with charging totally controlled via apps. My cost for charging at home is flat at 13.74 cent a kWh. My calculations show that this about 4x times cheaper than fueling our Macan GTS to cover the same miles. Taycan comes with 3 years of free fast EA charging that I would only use if venturing out of town. However, if I need to pay for charging at EVGo for example, the cost at current 52 cent a kWh plus 99 cent session fee is higher than premium gas for Macan with matching for gas expense being 50 cent a kWh.

What is priceless is the Taycan driving experience, which will not be the case with other EVs.
Taycan was voted #1 EV for driving in the UK just now. They know their EVs @Footie

 

[Robert M]

I can tell you why I won't be getting an EV:

Cost - They are a lot more expensive in the US than an ICE vehicle. The average price of an EV is $65K US and the The national average to install an EV charging station in the US is $2,500. It is almost $1,000 more than that in California.

Selection - There are few decent EV cars sold here.

Tax Credits - With the new rules almost none of the cars sold in North America qualify for a tax credit. The new rules are as such: Eligible cars must be assembled in North America and cannot contain battery components manufactured or assembled by "foreign entities of concern,” including China. In 2024 fewer vehicles are now eligible for federal tax credits, and even fewer are eligible for the maximum $7,500 credit. So for the average buyer who can afford an EV there will not be any tax credits. They also lowered the income limits on who can get the TC. So as the price of the cars go up it requires more income to buy one and if your income is high enough you can afford one, you don't get a tax credit.

Insurance - In previous years, electric vehicles were cheaper to run in every state, however, the average insurance for an EV has increased by 58.1% from 2021 to 2023, while insurance for gas cars has only increased by 1.2% in this period.

Range - I live in California and this one state is larger than the entire UK by almost 62K square miles or 16,057,926 hectares. I can barely get out of my own state on a single charge. I also tow a trailer for my business nearly 50K miles per year and there are no EV trucks on the market that can tow a 10K lb trailer more than 90 miles at a time so I won't be able to use an EV truck for my business.

Grid - There are 14,268,528 ICE vehicles registered in California and there are about 900K EVs registered here. We have blackouts in the summer and winter and mandatory brownouts during the summer and winter as they shut off the power due to the weather. Our governor asks the state multiple times to limit power usage by NOT charging EVs and he wants to mandate that there be no new ICE cars sold in the state in 2035. They have also shuttered nearly every nuclear plant in the state and the state needs a total of 148K MW of energy to handle the power needs by 2045 and the state currently only operates 80 MW via 1,500 power plants. So I don't know what he thinks will happen if we even increase the number of EVs by a slight margin.

 

[Footie]

Can someone tell me why it’s $2500 for an EV Home charger unit when they are only around $400 on Amazon?

Are your electricians ripping you off?

Still struggling to believe anyone would be this forgetful to not plug their car in on arriving home before entering their house, it’s not like you need do this at a set time the app does all this for you.

All governments (most) say they are committed to being carbon neutral but they don’t seem to have an answer as to how to achieve this, the thing is electricity is one thing that can be produced out of thin air, wind, sea, solar etc produce it plus nuclear. We need to get away from oil for the obvious reasons we are at the mercy of certain countries.

 

[sergeyb]

^There are certainly many ways to dupe customers unaware of what's going on, but this is nothing new in doing any house remodel. Plumbing, HVAC, Electrical companies charge insane amount to complete simple house calls.

Our 20 year old house was wired for double ovens, jet tub, and electric water heater, that we got rid of, with plenty of open slots to find 2 x 30Amp lines to create 60Amp needed output for the Emporia EVSE (charger) that goes on sale for $299 at times and rated best. Our trusted electrician did this in under an hour and biggest expense was about a foot of copper wire from the electrical panel to the charger. The 25ft charging cable can reach 2 cars easily parked in the garage. 60Amps downs to 48Amp by code and car gets its maximum 11kW charging that takes about 6 hours to go from 15% to 85% recommended of controlled easy on the battery charging. However, slower is better on the battery so via app I can bump that down to 40Amp, 32Amp, etc. and charge in 8 or 10 hours since the car controls the charging process that is best for it, and not just guns for it at maximum speed.

 

[Footie]

Check with Porsche but according to Porsche UK and BWM UK as long as you aren’t charging higher than 11Kw/h you can always charge to 100%, the figure of 80-85% only refers to fast charging stations.

 

[grim]

@Footie I will get back to your answer but first lets look at that power question.

OK, so I could be a potential customer. Forgetting apartments, condos, townhouses, anywhere with community parking. Most houses I see have zero garages, some with on street parking. No good. As you move to the suburbs, you get no garages, 1 car, 2 car, and bigger houses into McMansions, 3+. I see someone with a one car garage and its a nightmare, People have more than one car, so they have to move cars in and out of the garage. If you are going to do this, you need a minimum of TWO chargers. Most houses I see have 3 or 4 cars. People got teenage kids. Its only newly weds or the elderly with two cars. They BOTH need to be plugged in.

So I looked it up

Porsche Wall Charger Connect | PORSCHE SHOP

Experience effortless EV charging with the Porsche-designed wall charger from the convenience of your own home.

shop.porsche.com

then a pedestal if it aint on a wall, location dependent

2015-2023 Porsche Charging Pedestal 970-044-000-70 | Sunset Porsche Parts

2015-2023 Porsche part # 970-044-000-70 - Charging Pedestal

www.sunsetporscheparts.com

Then Porsche has a national electrician

Porsche EV Charging Home Installation by Qmerit

Qmerit has partnered with Porsche as their recommended EV charger installer in North America. Learn about our services and get a quote for home charging today! Electric vehicles...

qmerit.com

The money is not in the hardware, its in the services

I know this is Porsche branded but that's $5K without any services. Electricians are NOT cheap.They walk into the house and its $1K. Then can the house handle it. Does it need to upgrade the AMP service. I know I would need a new SubPanel because all the slots are taken. Then you got to deal with the HOA people and the County inspections, etc etc etc

I see $7K easy (Porsche branded). Granted it can be a lot cheaper if a generic brand

states give rebates. Mine has no money in 2024. LOL

 

[grim]

OK, lets see

Americans are a different breed no offence but very suck in their ways and don’t like anyone telling them to change or heaven forbid trying to force it upon them.

No argument there. We throw tea into the harbor

1: Cost - Prices will vary from country to country but in general I agree they are a bit dearer. Now if you are classing a Macan a utility vehicle much like a Jeep well then there is no middle ground we are ever going to meet.

Of course a Macan is a utility vehicle by definition. From PAG upon its launch

https://press.porsche.com/presskits_until_2015/motor_shows/2013/losangeles/HighRes/html/en_22145_0.html

Porsche is expanding its range to include a whole new class of vehicle. The Macan is the first Porsche model to break into the compact SUV segment

It is a CUV. A jeep is a 4 x 4 meant for off roading. A CUV is for softroading/bad weather.

2: Depreciation - I can only speak for my own UK market but over here the price has dropped equally on both ICE and EV in fact my wife’s Golf R has dropped more percentage wise than mine.

Not true here. Start reading

https://www.carparts.com/blog/electric-vehicle-depreciation-101-why-do-evs-lose-their-value-faster-than-gas-cars/

Rapid depreciation hits electric car market, surprising experts

Used electric cars are depreciating more rapidly than previously expected, posing significant challenges for both owner…

essanews.com

3: Insurance - This is a myth, my price wasn’t affected when I went EV, the only bit that did change was access which did go up a bit.

Not true here. Read again

https://www.progressive.com/answers/car-insurance-electric-vehicles/

Own a Tesla? Here's Why an Accident Could Cost You Way More Than You Expect

Do Electric Vehicles Cost More to Insure? How Much More?

MoneyGeek's study reveals the most expensive electric vehicles to insure and why EV insurance costs more than coverage for gas-powered cars.

www.moneygeek.com

Insurance companies seem to write these cars off resulting in more "totaled" cars. YOU pay for that cost.

4: Repair - This is one I can’t answer as I haven’t needed any repairs and generally I don’t keep a car longer than 3 years so always under warranty anyway. Service costs are cheaper though.

Same as insurance.

5: Infrastructure - Can’t argue with that, but like I said above home charging is the answer and as to that silly reply to asking a ICE car owner to have a tank and pump at their home they clearly have no idea as to how simply unobtrusive and convenient it is to top your motor up at home instead of having to go to a filling station to do it. I am currently writing this reply in the warmth of my living room whilst my car is topping up outside my door ready for me in the morning. I do see your point about America houses etc and if they want the EV to catch on they need to address this ability to charge whilst you sleep.

New housing might have that convenience but the 95% of existing houses have a vast array of issues. They were never meant to exist with such electrical demands nor plug in.

6: Home Charging unit prices - Mine cost me fully fitted £350 because the government were subsidising it but fully price would have added £300 more. For this price I control it by an app so I can lock it down so no one can use it even when I’m on holidays, I can set the time I want to charge if there’s a cheaper rate etc and I see exactly how much I use so I know exactly how much I am spending each month.

See other post

9: Blackout - Again this will vary as much country to country as state to state, two years and I have never experience a problem on this front.

This is a very real issue and not just for FL. We have had storms, not Hurricanes, just bad storms where power has been out a week at time. Get an Ice Storm and we're screwed. It takes a LONG time to get those lines back up and its much worse in the winter.

10: Lazy - if you are that lazy you will constantly be forgetting to go and fill up with gas. 😂 Come on that can’t be a serious argument. Do you turn your lights off at night before going to sleep, it’s called habit, you’ll get use to it. 😉

You don't own a P-car today, do you. When any of my Porsches over the last 15 years went to bed, they were plugged into a smart charger. If you do not, chances are after a few days you come out to a dead battery. Read the warranty book, its all in there. You need to drive 6K miles/year on a rolling basis. Many Porsches are toys, many, many. You drive them on weekends.

This is a MAJOR aggravation you do NOT see other people do. I come home and if not using that car for a day or two, plug it in. I NEVER see other car makes do this. So yes, its an issue. As you get older, you don't want to CREATE work, you want LESS work.

11: Answered by home charging.

No, it's not. I take vacations, drive around the country. You are only talking about people who never go anywhere other than locally. The great American Vacation is to hit the open road and just "go". Taking 5,000 to 10,000 mile trips is not uncommon. You ever see how many Americans have RVs, campers. Ever been to a US National Park? Hit Yellowstone, Glacier, Yosemite, the Grand Canyon? Etc. Contrary to whatever image might exist, hitting the open road is very very common. People go away for weeks at a time.

12: When you have a power out it can be local or can be further, when it happens your petrol pump also runs on electricity so you are stuck too.

No, they are not. They plug in their gas generator. They have power, your house does not.

13: Like I already said Americans are a different breed, the whole constitution thing and wanting to bear arms despite the number of shoots and number of guns going hand in hand.

Not touching this. That will violate our rules on "controversial" subjects and is not Macan EV related.

of course America is a huge country and some travel greater distances than what we experience over here so for you that switch to EV might require the technology to change where the capacity allows the range to double and charging speeds to half or even less.

A lot of Europeans don't understand how vast it truly is. You acknowledge that, which is good. Its MASSIVE and some parts desolate. The media portrays images of inner cities. Thats a tiny part of America. The vastness of the great plains and mountain areas is far, far different.

 

[Footie]

Both myself and Bro have Easee Chargers, both recommended both by BMW and Porsche. You could pay for a Porsche branded one but why because I am pretty sure they aren’t tuning up the electricity going into your battery to make the car quicker or do more miles. LOL

Personally I wouldn’t recommend anyone at the moment going for more than one EV car in the family, this means both based are covered in that if did have the power out you still have the ICE car to fall back on back as things improve in both technology and infrastructure then we might change the wife over to EV.

I’m quite lucky in that I have a huge tarmac area around my house, so I could have a dozen cars parked and still get past but I do see the point about a traditional driveway. Depending on where you position the charge you shouldn’t have an issue because you can get charging cables up to 10M. On the point about positioning of the charging unit, both mine and the brother’s are exterior as neither of us use the garage to store the cars.

BTW I’m getting a Lotus Eletre for the weekend hopefully next week so I will share my opinions on it and post a few pics too. 👍

 

[grim]

But the real elephant in the room is that the world isn’t making any more oil and we are running out, alternative fuels are an option but the price of these are crazy at the moment. Plus petrol/diesel isn’t the most important thing made from oil, chemicals to plastic etc are arguably much more important and once the oil is gone then what.

I'll just leave this here. The US and UK are vastly different, from the US DOE.

1. Despite not drilling in AK, or new drilling offshore, the US is pumping more oil than Ever. You just don't see it in the news

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels per Day)

www.eia.gov

2. The US became a net exporter in 2020.

Oil imports and exports - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

U.S. crude oil imports sources including OPEC and Persian Gulf, and top five source countries of U.S. oil imports and destinations of U.S. crude oil exports.

www.eia.gov

They fear mongering about running out of oil has existed since oil was found and its never happened. The got no clue as to how much existents because 1.) they got to have the incentive to search, and 2.) new tech allows more extraction.

I do not want this thread to turn into anything but an EV discussion. I'd have to end this discussion if it becomes "controversial". The above government numbers are just facts, not speculation. Its whatever you believe. These numbers are just government provided facts. I will leave this discussion at that and lets get back to the pros and cons of EVs.

 

[Footie]

I'll just leave this here. The US and UK are vastly different, from the US DOE.

1. Despite not drilling in AK, or new drilling offshore, the US is pumping more oil than Ever. You just don't see it in the news

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels per Day)

www.eia.gov

2. The US became a net exporter in 2020.

Oil imports and exports - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

U.S. crude oil imports sources including OPEC and Persian Gulf, and top five source countries of U.S. oil imports and destinations of U.S. crude oil exports.

www.eia.gov

They fear mongering about running out of oil has existed since oil was found and its never happened. The got no clue as to how much existents because 1.) they got to have the incentive to search, and 2.) new tech allows more extraction.

I do not want this thread to turn into anything but an EV discussion. I'd have to end this discussion if it becomes "controversial". The above government numbers are just facts, not speculation. Its whatever you believe. These numbers are just government provided facts. I will leave this discussion at that and lets get back to the pros and cons of EVs.

You do understand what I mean by the world isn’t making any more oil?

Yes some more oil fields are being found but best estimates are that with the current usage of the world we could be out of oil within as little as 60 years. Personally I reckon that’s really worst case but I doubt we will have any in 100 years time, no problem for you or me or even our kids but beyond that. 😬

 

[Footie]

OK, lets see



No argument there. We throw tea into the harbor



Of course a Macan is a utility vehicle by definition. From PAG upon its launch

https://press.porsche.com/presskits_until_2015/motor_shows/2013/losangeles/HighRes/html/en_22145_0.html

Porsche is expanding its range to include a whole new class of vehicle. The Macan is the first Porsche model to break into the compact SUV segment

It is a CUV. A jeep is a 4 x 4 meant for off roading. A CUV is for softroading/bad weather.



Not true here. Start reading

https://www.carparts.com/blog/electric-vehicle-depreciation-101-why-do-evs-lose-their-value-faster-than-gas-cars/

Rapid depreciation hits electric car market, surprising experts

Used electric cars are depreciating more rapidly than previously expected, posing significant challenges for both owner…

essanews.com

Not true here. Read again

https://www.progressive.com/answers/car-insurance-electric-vehicles/

Own a Tesla? Here's Why an Accident Could Cost You Way More Than You Expect

Do Electric Vehicles Cost More to Insure? How Much More?

MoneyGeek's study reveals the most expensive electric vehicles to insure and why EV insurance costs more than coverage for gas-powered cars.

www.moneygeek.com

Insurance companies seem to write these cars off resulting in more "totaled" cars. YOU pay for that cost.



Same as insurance.



New housing might have that convenience but the 95% of existing houses have a vast array of issues. They were never meant to exist with such electrical demands nor plug in.



See other post



This is a very real issue and not just for FL. We have had storms, not Hurricanes, just bad storms where power has been out a week at time. Get an Ice Storm and we're screwed. It takes a LONG time to get those lines back up and its much worse in the winter.



You don't own a P-car today, do you. When any of my Porsches over the last 15 years went to bed, they were plugged into a smart charger. If you do not, chances are after a few days you come out to a dead battery. Read the warranty book, its all in there. You need to drive 6K miles/year on a rolling basis. Many Porsches are toys, many, many. You drive them on weekends.

This is a MAJOR aggravation you do NOT see other people do. I come home and if not using that car for a day or two, plug it in. I NEVER see other car makes do this. So yes, its an issue. As you get older, you don't want to CREATE work, you want LESS work.



No, it's not. I take vacations, drive around the country. You are only talking about people who never go anywhere other than locally. The great American Vacation is to hit the open road and just "go". Taking 5,000 to 10,000 mile trips is not uncommon. You ever see how many Americans have RVs, campers. Ever been to a US National Park? Hit Yellowstone, Glacier, Yosemite, the Grand Canyon? Etc. Contrary to whatever image might exist, hitting the open road is very very common. People go away for weeks at a time.

No, they are not. They plug in their gas generator. They have power, your house does not.



Not touching this. That will violate our rules on "controversial" subjects and is not Macan EV related.



A lot of Europeans don't understand how vast it truly is. You acknowledge that, which is good. Its MASSIVE and some parts desolate. The media portrays images of inner cities. Thats a tiny part of America. The vastness of the great plains and mountain areas is far, far different.

I do think we in Europe are completely different to our American cousins, you mentioned vacations/holidays and for most of us over here that means travelling to another country but for you lot this is internal, sometimes on a plane but quite often you take the car and this is when I come back to my comment about keeping a regular ICE car as well as you said most families have at least two or more cars.

I think the housing thing is where we probably differ the most and along with many of your other valid points you are probably right EV won’t catch on as quickly as it will else where in the world but I still stick to my guns that for those that can switch a second car to an EV you will love it.

BTW apologises about the other thing, I was only trying to highlight how different you are to us over here, there was nothing meant by it. 👍

 

[grim]

I do think we in Europe are completely different to our American cousins, you mentioned vacations/holidays and for most of us over here that means travelling to another country but for you lot this is internal, sometimes on a plane but quite often you take the car and this is when I come back to my comment about keeping a regular ICE car as well as you said most families have at least two or more cars.

I think the housing thing is where we probably differ the most and along with many of your other valid points you are probably right EV won’t catch on as quickly as it will else where in the world but I still stick to my guns that for those that can switch a second car to an EV you will love it.

BTW apologises about the other thing, I was only trying to highlight how different you are to us over here, there was nothing meant by it. 👍

Yes, very different, but also the same in some ways.

The rest is fine. We just cant have any political discussions

 

[Robert M]

Both myself and Bro have Easee Chargers, both recommended both by BMW and Porsche. You could pay for a Porsche branded one but why because I am pretty sure they aren’t tuning up the electricity going into your battery to make the car quicker or do more miles. LOL

Personally I wouldn’t recommend anyone at the moment going for more than one EV car in the family, this means both based are covered in that if did have the power out you still have the ICE car to fall back on back as things improve in both technology and infrastructure then we might change the wife over to EV.

I’m quite lucky in that I have a huge tarmac area around my house, so I could have a dozen cars parked and still get past but I do see the point about a traditional driveway. Depending on where you position the charge you shouldn’t have an issue because you can get charging cables up to 10M. On the point about positioning of the charging unit, both mine and the brother’s are exterior as neither of us use the garage to store the cars.

BTW I’m getting a Lotus Eletre for the weekend hopefully next week so I will share my opinions on it and post a few pics too. 👍

And therein lies the rub with our government saying that new ICE cars may not be sold in California after 20235. What happens when an ICE car needs to be replaced? I'll have to buy another EV and then all of a sudden I'm a 2 EV house with no ICE cars and all of those problems now hit home. If the government wants us to encourage to use EV, that's fine. Don't try and mandate that I HAVE to use an EV.

 

[grim]

@Footie your last post violates rule 8 and has been deleted. No controversial discussions permitted. You are new, now you know. Lets stick to ev pros and cons.

 

[Footie]

And therein lies the rub with our government saying that new ICE cars may not be sold in California after 20235. What happens when an ICE car needs to be replaced? I'll have to buy another EV and then all of a sudden I'm a 2 EV house with no ICE cars and all of those problems now hit home. If the government wants us to encourage to use EV, that's fine. Don't try and mandate that I HAVE to use an EV.

In the UK the decision to ban sale of all ICE vehicles was originally 2030 but has now moved to 2035 like California, I believe the goal posts will continue to move because the infrastructure isn’t in place or for some other reason/s.

I know many are saying sales on EVs are decreasing but in the UK at least for BMW the opposite seems true, they are 34% up.

BMW Group UK 2023 Sales Growth Driven by All-Electric Model Range

+++Every fourth BMW sold in the UK was all-electric+++28,723 all-electric BMW vehicles registered in 2023 (+34 per cent)+++MINI sales in the UK increased by +4 per cent (47,594)+++

www.press.bmwgroup.com

I reckon the Macan EV and Boxster/Cayman equivalents will do the same for Porsche.

 

[dave-t]

One of my gripes about ev’s is that you can’t hear them coming. Some lady In her tesla almost ran me over after she ran a pink light while I was In the crosswalk, did not see or hear her coming.

 

[Footie]

One of my gripes about ev’s is that you can’t hear them coming. Some lady In her tesla almost ran me over after she ran a pink light while I was I the crosswalk, did not see or hear her coming.

Agreed, the sound they generate isn’t enough IMO, especially below 40mph.

 

[reguy]

Personally I wouldn’t recommend anyone at the moment going for more than one EV car in the family, this means both based are covered in that if did have the power out you still have the ICE car to fall back on back as things improve in both technology and infrastructure then we might change the wife over to EV.

This explains why many people do not want an EV car. Very simply put, EV cars cannot do it all for consumers. Why buy even one version of a product that cannot do it all for the consumer when there is another version that can? Would you buy a washing machine that can only wash shirts but not pants, when washing machines are available that wash both? When EV cars are good enough to do it all for the buyer, more people will follow. It's a noble cause to want to help the planet and mankind but lots of people won't join in unless there's no, or minimal, disruption for them.

 

[Mii]

In addition to many of the great points shared by you all, one of the fundamental challenges on EV is the use of battery unit! There isn't a good way to contain battery flaming issue, toxic fume, and waste, yet!

Auto makers are trying to gain market interesting by pumping up higher HP, quicker acceleration on EV, and both can be excelled in ICE with great driving dynamic if not better.

To many car enthusiasts, the mechanical and sophisticated ICE internal movement is what made ICE unique, similar to one would prefer mechanical timepiece vs digital timepiece counter part!

Would bet if Porsche continues to make new Macan or 718 in ICE using existing or new body, or even S/T edition for purist, the sales number would keep EV edition off the table.