[Jay Laifman]

Well, I can say this much, every single time we've gone out in the Macan 4 both my wife and I come back thinking what a great car. Again, I have three other Porsches and if I had didn't have those, and had to have a Porsche, this would not be the first. But it's still an amazing car.

 

[Jay Laifman]

I thought of something else. This is our first EV. I absolutely love just plugging in when we come home and never having to go to the gas station. Of course our "fill ups" will take longer when we travel to Carmel for our annual visits, than if we had our gas car. But net net our annual time spent at "fill up stations" will be much less! So I'll happily accept the longer fill up once a year (or twice, depending on the year) for the much greater ease when home for the other 50 weeks of the year.

 

[AVM]

Well, now it is official . . . it is the law of the land officially handed down straight from the top

Drill baby drill invoked . . . the Green New Deal is dead . . . and EV related 'mandates' are too

Common sense will once again prevail

The inmates are no longer running the asylum

AVM

 

[Glock19]

I was “excited” to see the first Mac EV on the road, thinking somebody had actually finally bought one, but it turned out that it was just a dealer courtesy car.

In other news my electric and gas bill is almost $600 a month even though I keep the house at 68 degrees and the governor is planning on keeping the EV credit at the cost of California taxpayers so people buying $150,000 cars can get a tax break while the average middle class family in my hood is driving a 20-year-old Pilot.

 

[Jay Laifman]

When I look at the vastness of Los Angeles east of Pico Boulevard for miles and miles, and at the flats of the San Fernando Valley, and all the small apartment buildings with maybe one carport per unit, with additional cars parked here, there and everywhere around on the streets without any chance of getting to a charger, the idea that electric cars will proliferate in those areas in the next few decades seems wildly impossible. I mean like mind-blowing impossible.

And I totally understand that there are many reasons why using electricity in California to charge cars may be less "green" than ICE cars.

That said, we absolutely love our Macan EV for the driving experience in and of itself. Green or not green. I don't think we'll ever go back. Well, but then we'll never give up on our other Porsches either, so I know it's not really fair. But it's still true that we love the Macan EV itself and it is a transformative experience to us.

 

[Glock19]

When I look at the vastness of Los Angeles east of Pico Boulevard for miles and miles, and at the flats of the San Fernando Valley, and all the small apartment buildings with maybe one carport per unit, with additional cars parked here, there and everywhere around on the streets without any chance of getting to a charger, the idea that electric cars will proliferate in those areas in the next few decades seems wildly impossible.

And I totally understand that there are many reasons why using electricity in California to charge cars may be less "green" than ICE cars.

That said, as I've said, we absolutely love our Macan EV for the driving experience in and of itself. Green or not green. And so far, I don't think we'll ever go back. Well, but then we'll never give up on our other Porsches, so I know it's not really fair. But it's still true that we love the Macan EV itself and it is a transformative experience to us.

The tens of millions of dollars California has spent on public car chargers have mostly resulted in three or four charging stations at out of the way rest stops which remain closed. Remember, this is the state that’s proud of a $1.4 million toilet in San Francisco.

So far the only person who is making any progress into public charging stations is Elon.

 

[Jay Laifman]

Believe me, that is why we were previously saying if we got an EV it would be a Tesla. But we were also saying that we didn't want that and were more likely to get a plug in hybrid. However, after testing them all, we just liked the Macan EV so much, we broke both of those.

 

[doctorold]

Well, now it is official . . . it is the law of the land officially handed down straight from the top

Drill baby drill invoked . . . the Green New Deal is dead . . . and EV related 'mandates' are too

Common sense will once again prevail

The inmates are no longer running the asylum

AVM

Inmates? Asylum? Do we need EV mandates? Not yet. The climate change issue is not a hoax but it’s also not the existential threat that some make it out to be. EVs have a place and they do offer a different type of performance so why not have them existing side-by-side with ICE vehicles? Both have their merits so for a company like Porsche who thrives on choice, build ‘em both

 

[Glock19]

do we need EV mandates? Not yet. The climate change issue is not a hoax but it’s also not the existential threat that some make it out to be. EVs have a place and they do offer a different type of performance so why not have them existing side-by-side with ICE vehicles? Both have their merits so for a company like Porsche who thrives on choice, build ‘em both

Yes, but your viewpoint is that of a common sensical adult.

Our politicians hate being wrong so they are going to push EV mandates until something breaks.

Most people who have any decent intelligence have always seen electric vehicles as a supplement for people with very specific situations, i.e.: don’t drive very far, have their own home, have access to a high-speed charging station either at home or at work, and honestly are pretty well to do because they can actually afford a nice house and a charging station, as most electric cars that aren’t total garbage cost a bunch of money.

People in California can’t afford new gasoline powered cars, let alone electric cars.

My son-in-law has a contractor job, looks like business will be picking up soon, and he needs to drive a big gasoline powered truck from Palm Desert to LA several times a week, and he will NEVER be able to do that in a lightning or Rivian.

 

[TigerMac]

Following and analyzing the recently announced policies in the US, it looks to me as the next logical step is Tesla migrating from electric to ICE powered vehicles, maybe with a hybrid intermediate step ...

 

[95B3.6]

NEVER be able to do that in a lightning or Rivian.

You do know about the progress in ASSBs?

2027 will likely see commercialization (Hyundai or Vinfast?), 2029/2030 should see the rollouts.

Buy SLDP.

 

[ericsan13]

My son-in-law has a contractor job, looks like business will be picking up soon, and he needs to drive a big gasoline powered truck from Palm Desert to LA several times a week, and he will NEVER be able to do that in a lightning or Rivian.

Why not? Google maps shows that it's only 244 miles round trip. Is he towing?

 

[Glock19]

Why not? Google maps shows that it's only 244 miles round trip. Is he towing?

Yep. Building materials and light equipment like skid steers.

 

[rgranger]

I am not understanding the upending of our entire infrastructure (when China, Russia, India... are not) to reduce a gas that makes up .04 % of the atmosphere and where everything dies if that gas falls below .02%. We seem to be dancing on knives for little reason. I think EVs will remain, a lot of folks like them, heck I would if I lived inside the city and didn't drive. A trip back and forth across the Houston area can be 150 mile round trip, going to out west to just north of Conroe is 180 round trip. Not much of a buffer on most EVs.

 

[LeipzigGTS]

Inmates? Asylum? Do we need EV mandates? Not yet. The climate change issue is not a hoax but it’s also not the existential threat that some make it out to be. EVs have a place and they do offer a different type of performance so why not have them existing side-by-side with ICE vehicles? Both have their merits so for a company like Porsche who thrives on choice, build ‘em both

Hybrid is the logical answer. Have you ever looked at a Philidelphia intercity streets at night? There are thousand and thousands of cars. Sometimes you have to park more than a mile from where you live, no way on Gods green earth that the infrastructure can support all electric. Think about it and you realize that tanks and artillery vehicles won't ever go fully electric.

 

[grim]

A comment has been removed from this discussion. Read the rules, particularly the zero tolerance for rule 8 and reinforcement of it in https://www.macanforum.com/threads/read-this-before-posting.184034/

if you've got some … political comment … Any such discussion in this forum will be removed and action possibly taken on your account. Zero tolerance.

 

[LeipzigGTS]

A comment has been removed from this discussion. Read the rules, particularly the zero tolerance for rule 8 and reinforcement of it in https://www.macanforum.com/threads/read-this-before-posting.184034/

if you've got some … political comment … Any such discussion in this forum will be removed and action possibly taken on your account. Zero tolerance.

My bad. Sorry

 

[grim]

And with a stroke of a pen … that which was created by the pen, destroyed by the pen.

https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2025-01/Signed%20Secretarial%20Memo%20re%20Fixing%20the%20CAFE%20Program.pdf

TLDR? NHTSA ordered by Sec Transportation to rescind CAFE standards that would have been a de facto EV mandate.

 

[Jay Laifman]

And with a stroke of a pen … that which was created by the pen, destroyed by the pen.

https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2025-01/Signed%20Secretarial%20Memo%20re%20Fixing%20the%20CAFE%20Program.pdf

TLDR? NHTSA ordered by Sec Transportation to rescind CAFE standards that would have been a de facto EV mandate.

I don't disagree with this at all. But, I will say, mandates or not, we still would pick the Macan EV for its totally different driving experience. (Though as I've said before, not as a replacement of my air cooled, gas powered, Porsches).

 

[///Bruce]

Hybrid is the logical answer. Have you ever looked at a Philidelphia intercity streets at night? There are thousand and thousands of cars. Sometimes you have to park more than a mile from where you live, no way on Gods green earth that the infrastructure can support all electric. Think about it and you realize that tanks and artillery vehicles won't ever go fully electric.

Growing up in South Philly for the first 20 years of my life (76 now...), living in a congested city with street after street of row homes is tough enough. Traffic direction alternates street to street; in other words, one way traffic lane and one lane for parking. If you can't find a parking place, you could drive around to the next street or next or next trying desperately to find a parking place. No garages. You park on the street. EVEN IF...you could find a place in front of your row home to think you could safely lay a charging cable across the sidewalk will just not work. Too much risk.

EV's, IMO, are for people that have a driveway or a garage with ease of access to recharge them. It's pretty much a luxury and not for common use. Again, IMO.