[grim]

 

[TigerMac]

...these Lithium batteries are really starting to suck in practical use, especially the old pouch ones, just lost my loved OPPO mobile after 4y due to an expanding pouch cell cracking the phone's back, same with my wife's Dell laptop and my father's Motorola smart phone, this one only 1 week beyond the EU 2y guarantee date...now even cooled new ones...one was probably enough to ignite the whole container, fortunately onshore...

 

[grim]

Why do people build by the water ?

Ive heard miami Beach has been due for decades, but hasnt happened yet. No EV in a high rise

 

[reguy]

Why do people build in these areas? There are many reasons, but here's part of it. For years the Federal Government, through the National Flood Insurance Program, subsidized the cost of flood insurance. That subsidy lowered the cost of flood insurance, which encouraged construction in coastal areas and other flood zones. Those subsidies are ending and homeowners in affected areas are seeing increases in the cost of flood insurance through the Federal program but that is happening gradually over a period of years.

 

[Deb'sMacan]

Concrete block is used often but not always in Florida. It protects against windstorm and termites.

We had an old concrete block house with a Spanish tile roof built 3 feel off the ground when we lived in West Melbourne, Florida. The house is as old as I am and has been through many hurricanes and it still stands. Just don't do junk construction.

 

[iconoclast]

Fire Marshal Issues 'Alarming' Warning About What Electric Vehicles Are Doing in Milton Aftermath

By Jack Davis
October 10, 2024

‘Alarming’ Fire Hazard Warning Issued for EVs in Milton Aftermath

EV owners have a lot to worry about if their vehicles were submerged when Hurricane Milton ripped through Florida, a state official warns.

www.westernjournal.com

 

[iconoclast]

Re my post #1.186
B4 posing (In “Other Vehicles”) I had searched for “EVs & saltwater & found nothing.

Mod moved my post here.

I see the issue of EVs catching fire after flooding with salt water, has already been discussed in this thread.

 

[CourtneyNYC]

Interesting that . . . as I hear doom and gloom about “EV cars languishing unsold on dealer lots: . . . that a simple search brings up stuff like this.

I’m no big fan of EV vehicles . . . but this makes me believe that I am in a growing minority.

 

[grim]

Interesting that . . . as I hear doom and gloom about “EV cars languishing unsold on dealer lots: . . . that a simple search brings up stuff like this.

I’m no big fan of EV vehicles . . . but this makes me believe that I am in a growing minority.

Meaningless predictions. Notice sales are flat the last two years. The early adopters have adopted. They are note even early adopters but are in the "innovators" part of the curve, See the discussion about the adoption curve earlier in this thread.

 

[hanhan]

Attended a Macan EV launch event yesterday, tons of people showed up. So there is definitely interest out there, either for the Macan EV or free food/drinks.

 

[iconoclast]

Did you get to drive an EV Macan?

 

[hanhan]

No, there were no test drives at the event. I guess I could make an appointment with my dealer, but I don't need a new car right now.

 

[TheRas900]

I know it's brought with danger here, but have you done a write up on it?

Seriously, I'd like to see some threads with driving impressions of the EV Macan's that don't wind up going sideways. It's not the vehicle for everyone, but it could be a good choice for some. Just like a CR-V or pickup truck, even if those aren't a normal Porsche owner's cup of tea. I guess I don't understand all the hate.

 

[grim]

Seriously, I'd like to see some threads with driving impressions of the EV Macan's ... I guess I don't understand all the hate.

I copied this from another thread because its a more broad question and would get buried.

I do not think its hatred, per se, of the vehicle, but an accumulation of many things. In no particular order.

1. EU legislation dictates (mandates) the demise of ICE, or they go out of business. Already stockholders have pushed back and said no (google it). In the end, profit is what matters.
2. In the US, they cannot legislate the demise of ICE because no such federal bill would pass, but they can regulate it out of business *. For example, the EPA can say a vehicle can only emit so much CO2 knowing ICE cannot do that. But that is easily erased with a stroke of the pen. There is no consensus to remove ICE from the US or they would be a law to do that. This lack of choice between fuels sits poorly with those who believe a free market, let the market decide, is how capitalism is supposed to work. Americans tend to take the choice of vehicle seriously. Other issues, such as HVAC chemicals, etc, can easily be regulated away because nobody cares what is used in those devices, or even knows how they work. Things that work in the background are just background noise.
3. EV technology is still in the innovation state, not the early adopter state. See Early Adopters of Electric Vehicles: The EV Adoption Curve based on Diffusion of Innovation theory. Only Norway has hit the early adopter state. This results in massive depreciation of the vehicle and, as part of TCO, this is a financial hit that most people find not only unappealing but unacceptable. Let the "early adopter" take the loss. In terms of today's technology, think of it as buying an 8K TV, when few cable stations broadcast in 4K.
4. The pricing is outrageous.
5. For many the vehicle is an appliance. Many people do not want a Porsche that is an appliance. They are buying a dream, not a washing machine. They want a vehicle that thrills them, that they will look back at when they park and marvel at, a vehicle they will make a poster of and hang it on the wall. People do not put pictures of their washing machine on the wall.
6. For some people, a large portion of the US household infrastructure, household EV charging is impossible, or financially impractical with no ROI. IOW, the very housing of the US was never intended to support EV charging.
   1. This could be the many people living with common parking (e.g., townhouses, apartments), or on street parking as exists in many urban areas. With on street parking, who ever gets to park first parks. Look at any snowstorm in an urban areas. People shovel their cars out, then put chairs in them to preserve their parking. Imagine that with EVs and no guaranteed parking.
   2. For a large number of single family houses, the electrical infrastructure was never intended to handle the loads. While houses built from the late 80s on have 200 AMP service, that simply is not true for the rest of the USA with 60, 100, and 150 AMP services, and even 30 AMP houses exist along with knob and tube wiring. Besides the costs of the charger itself, electrician, and permits, there is the additional cost of upgrading the service or using some kind of load shedding devices to ensure the electric loads do not exceed the capacity of the house. Then there is the issue of buried wiring that might need to be upgraded from the transformer itself to the house by the utility and possibly the issue the transformer needs to upgraded to accommodate the electrical load of the houses it services. IOW, its just not worth the cost and hassle to upgrade. Depending upon the problems to resolve, this could easily run over $10,000. The early adopters can just plug and play. The rest cannot.

Bottom line, its complicated and many factors are involved.

* (this complies with rule 8 "except when directly related to the Porsche Macan, for example, new legislation regarding automobiles").

 

[TheRas900]

Agreed with many of these items, but the fact is in the US nobody is proposing outlawing one option or the other. And again, there are people for whom an electric is a terrible choice. For some, it might be the best choice.

I highly agree that the pricing is outrageous, but it seems all Porsches are that way anymore. That is why I haven't upgraded my 2018 Macan for a newer one that is essentially the same car for $25,000 more in sticker price. Due to incentives, the electric cars actually tend to be some of the better values out there. Cheapest Lexus to lease? Their electric which is $20,000 more than their entry level model. One of my employees just leased a new Nissan Arriya. Why? The lease price was lower than a Sentra.

 

[grim]

https://taiwanenglishnews.com/9-electric-buses-destroyed-by-suspected-lithium-battery-fire-in-taichung-city/

 

[iconoclast]

I could not find a thread specific to Solid State battery technology so I'll post it here.

If this can replace lithium ion batteries and tremendously reduce thermal runaway/fire risk and reduce the size and weight and increase the amount of energy/amount of miles driven on a full charge… It would be a game changer for EVs!

"Samsung’s EV battery breakthrough: 600-mile charge in 9 mins, 20 year lifespan"

Samsung’s 20-year-life EV battery runs 600 miles on 9-minute charge

Samsung's solid-state battery could be the game-changer EVs need, boasting a 600-mile range, 9-minute charging time, and 20-year lifespan.

interestingengineering.com

and

"Solid-state batteries are considered the holy grail in the battery world, with more capacity than current lithium-ion batteries. Will a German start-up be the first to mass produce them? We take a closer look."

Video link:

Solid-state batteries made in Germany – DW – 11/01/2024

Solid-state batteries are considered the holy grail in the battery world, with more capacity than current lithium-ion batteries. Will a German start-up be the first to mass produce them? We take a closer look.

www.dw.com

 

[reguy]

I could not find a thread specific to Solid State battery technology so I'll post it here.

If this can replace lithium ion batteries and tremendously reduce thermal runaway/fire risk and reduce the size and weight and increase the amount of energy/amount of miles driven on a full charge… It would be a game changer for EVs!

"Samsung’s EV battery breakthrough: 600-mile charge in 9 mins, 20 year lifespan"

Samsung’s 20-year-life EV battery runs 600 miles on 9-minute charge

Samsung's solid-state battery could be the game-changer EVs need, boasting a 600-mile range, 9-minute charging time, and 20-year lifespan.

interestingengineering.com

and

"Solid-state batteries are considered the holy grail in the battery world, with more capacity than current lithium-ion batteries. Will a German start-up be the first to mass produce them? We take a closer look."

Video link:

Solid-state batteries made in Germany – DW – 11/01/2024

Solid-state batteries are considered the holy grail in the battery world, with more capacity than current lithium-ion batteries. Will a German start-up be the first to mass produce them? We take a closer look.

www.dw.com

Porsche /the VW group are working on this. The VW group has formed an alliance with an entity, QuantumScape, to move this forward. See the links below, one is from the Porsche newsroom.

This may develop to be very good news for the future of EV, but very bad for the buyers of EV products already sold and being sold before this is perfected and implemented. Another reason why current EV sales are disappointing.

PowerCo and QuantumScape Announce Landmark Agreement to Industrialize Solid-State Batteries

Brings Extensive High-Volume Production Experience as Company Drives to Commercialize Solid-State Lithium-Metal Batteries

www.quantumscape.com

More convenient charging and shorter travel times

Here you can find an outlook on how charging at home, on the road and at the destination will change in the future.

newsroom.porsche.com

 

[loopless]

Porsche /the VW group are working on this. The VW group has formed an alliance with an entity, QuantumScape, to move this forward. See the links below, one is from the Porsche newsroom.

This may develop to be very good news for the future of EV, but very bad for the buyers of EV products already sold and being sold before this is perfected and implemented. Another reason why current EV sales are disappointing.

PowerCo and QuantumScape Announce Landmark Agreement to Industrialize Solid-State Batteries

Brings Extensive High-Volume Production Experience as Company Drives to Commercialize Solid-State Lithium-Metal Batteries

www.quantumscape.com

More convenient charging and shorter travel times

Here you can find an outlook on how charging at home, on the road and at the destination will change in the future.

newsroom.porsche.com

If solid-state batteries were anywhere near ready for mass production, don't you think they would appear in your iPhone first. I mean we pay over $1000 for a top of the line iPhone and the LiOn battery only lasts a day. If solid-state batteries were the answer to everyone's battery prayers don't you think Apple would be sticking them in iPhones ???

 

[reguy]

If solid-state batteries were anywhere near ready for mass production, don't you think they would appear in your iPhone first. I mean we pay over $1000 for a top of the line iPhone and the LiOn battery only lasts a day. If solid-state batteries were the answer to everyone's battery prayers don't you think Apple would be sticking them in iPhones ???

It’s being studied for other applications such as laptops.

Why solid-state batteries will eventually power your laptop or EV

Solid-state batteries should be safer, more powerful and longer lasting than today’s batteries, says Princeton University’s Kelsey Hatzell.

www.energymonitor.ai