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Ford lost $132,000 on each electric vehicle sold during the first three months of 2024

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is opening an investigation into Ford Motor’s hands-free driving technology BlueCruise after two fatal crashes involving Mustang Mach-E SUVs striking parked vehicles, the agency said on Monday. The agency’s preliminary evaluation into 130,000 2021-2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E vehicles is the first step to determine whether the vehicles pose an unreasonable risk to safety.
 
and..."but when driven spiritedly (which it really should be from time to time; it’s a Porsche, after all) it’s not quite as exciting as the original model."
Don't know if this was meant to adress the Macan 4 only, but for me (even driving a Macan T today), only the Macan turbo, incl. rear wheel steering, would cause me some enthusiasm, but not sure if it be worth it.
Just got Uber to the airport in a Tesla 3. Idaho has a “gas” tax. Still less than CA. Super chargers are rare. Driver is a renter so 110v charging takes forever. Then insurance on the aluminum body is $5k/yr! I’ll really have to pencil out getting an EV Macan coming off lease in 2-3 years. But my ICE Macan GTS will become treasured.
 
But my ICE Macan GTS will become treasured.
Ah, that´s right, almost forgot about their "Aluminum GigaCasting" production method which seems to be the major cost driver for (crash) repairs.
That`s the other reason why car rental companies like Sixt are withdrawing from their involvement with Tesla, not only due to the (now second) round of price reductions here...

And as for the “treasure”: When I ordered my Macan T with a pure combustion engine (not even a hybrid) some 18 month ago, I wasn't really sure if it was a wise decision against the general electric car trend at the time, but now I couldn't have made a better decision...next check point 3y ahead...
 
I’ve just recently noticed an uptick of reviews for the EV models. Reviews are good.

I would hav a difficult time about aural sensations playing into a decision to stay ICE or go EV for me. I’m not sure I could tolerate not “hearing” my vehicle which imo is extremely important in “feeling “ my vehicle.
I agree 100% with hearing and feeling the vehicle. I didn't realize how important that was to me until recently when I was given an electric Taycan to use as a loaner while my Macan was being serviced. The Taycan was SERIOUSLY fast, and a beautiful car, but it was sort of surreal not hearing anything.
 
Porsche Taycans recalled due to short circuits in the high-voltage batteries. Porsche Taycan battery fire recall letters are expected to be mailed May 17, 2024.

Other EV (Tesla) owners also reported debris striking to the chassis, it can cause potential damage to battery cooling system.
 
Porsche Taycans recalled due to short circuits in the high-voltage batteries. Porsche Taycan battery fire recall letters are expected to be mailed May 17, 2024.

Other EV (Tesla) owners also reported debris striking to the chassis, it can cause potential damage to battery cooling system.
We had two Fiskers catch fire here in Houston a few years ago. Luckily they were both parked out in the driveway. Home wasn’t hurt. But quite a mess. If, IF I were to buy an EV, I would not take the chance of a fire while in my garage. Which in my mind defeats the purpose of having a garage…
 
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A little off topic for me as I am split on EV's. What I don't like, being a USA citizen, is how EV's are being shoved down our throat by world powers. I truly despise mandating into this technology. On the other hand, if we did not have folks working on improving things, we would still be driving cars with carburetors, no antilock brakes or airbags. You remember when a typical sedan only got 12 or maybe 20 mpg and had 200 hp? Who would buy that as a mainstream product today? The technology in electric cars is evolving and the lessons learned by exploring will eventually lead to newer and better products for our future generations. Just as LED bulbs have become mainstream and no one disputes the lower energy consumption and higher longevity compared to incadescent and flourescent, it took some time. The original price point of the LED bulbs and the lighting color made early production unpalatable to the masses. We are seeing a similar path with inverter appliances, the price of inverter technology is coming down and the products are improving and are substantially more efficent than non-inverter ones and they definitely perform better. The lessons being learned with electric cars will eventually lead to superior technology for transportation. I only wish the world powers would back off of the market mandates and if they want to incentivize with global monies, do it on the development side rather than the consumer side. Can you envision parking pad areas, at your home or elsewhere in such that the energy stored in the surface is capable of automatically transferring to vehicles without cables? Can you envision a road where EMF surfaces power your car as your drive? Levitation super highways that automatically control speed, vehicle spacing and lane departure?
 
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What I don't like, being a USA citizen, is how EV's are being shoved down our throat by world powers. I truly despise mandating into this technology.
Fire them. In the USA they are not dictators. Of if one likes it, hire them. It's the consumer's choice.

Just as LED bulbs have become mainstream and no one disputes the lower energy consumption and higher longevity compared to incadescent and flourescent, it took some time. The original price point of the LED bulbs and the lighting color made early production unpalatable to the masses.
LEDs are the case study on how NOT to mandate something, done via regulations, and quickly reversed via regulation, and then re-reversed via regulation, not via law but by strokes of a pen. When the admin changes, and they always change, its just a matter of when, I would suspect another re-re-reversal of the regulation. It should have been via consumers choosing.

First, it was CFLs, a total disaster, containing mercury. Don't break them, hazardous, you can't vacuum them, leave the room, and take them to hazardous waste disposal, not the trash. A total disaster. Then LEDs were far to expensive, and then "not suitable for enclosed spaces". You know how many light fixtures are closed? I still have closed fixtures. And they do burn out.

Now this leads back to One saving grace is LED lights, which diminish the lighting load but thats a pittance compared to dishwasher sucking up 12 AMPs. How many lights can you have on at one time?

The very first line of the load calculation is "lighting" and from what I've read, that is obsolete in that its for incandescents. This might be why it still exists:


Thats a LONG way to go before LEDs are accepted. Its accepted by the well off, not by the poor.

We are seeing a similar path with inverter appliances, the price of inverter technology is coming down and the products are improving and are substantially more efficent than non-inverter ones and they definitely perform better. The lessons being learned with electric cars will eventually lead to superior technology for transportation.
No argument there, its like Why to go to Moon? Better tech. But I'm still waiting for the flying car. Elon Musk did a interview on that and we will never have flying cars. You can't trust people to drive in two dimensions, imagine them driving in three dimensions. :eek:
 
Australia is going through a massive transition blimp like alot of countries today.
The green agendas have added to cost of living And the EV push more so now due to Chinese brand influx is tipping the scales even more now for Tesla owners.
Depreciation and the pre owned market is going backwards fast.
Recent price drops you'd be livid having paid full retail only months back having seen price drops by all brands.
MachE has been a complete FLOP here, silly Ford came to market higher than Telsa - ridiculous.
Price drops again.
Teslas normally have all been pre sold when shipped here, now there is a glut of them sitting at the docks.
Picture proves EV market is in trouble | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

To consider the MacanEV right now is crazy stuff IMO over here.
 
What's crazy is to keep putting gas in your tank. I have a solar system that has been providing 90-100% of my monthly power consjumption - in AZ. Charging the Macan isn't going to significantly impact that so I'm good.
Everyone has their opinion flyguy.
As I ended my post, with "over here" world of Oz unlike you over younder in AZ. (luv your golf course's)
Our worlds are so far apart - good luck to you, everything re solar/battery you name it is a mess from this end and still yet to prove its reliability worth infrastructure.
We pay alot more compared to your US$ - I'm happy to spend only when I know everything is reliable/is quality and providing back up service that is very lacking here imo.
By the way I have been crazy putting gas in the tank for nearly 5decades whats another year or 5 matter, its like breathing.
 
Already a new generation of EV cars in the works, bidirectional charging? A car that can take power in, say when electric rates are lower, stores it and then sells the power when rates are higher? BMW, Ford, GM, VW and others are looking at this or have it in the works (Ford already does to an extent). Betamax and VHS all over again? Early adopters may be in for a “shock”.

 
Already a new generation of EV cars in the works, bidirectional charging? A car that can take power in, say when electric rates are lower, stores it and then sells the power when rates are higher? BMW, Ford, GM, VW and others are looking at this or have it in the works (Ford already does to an extent). Betamax and VHS all over again? Early adopters may be in for a “shock”.

Sorry to burst your bubble but there are cars that can already do that. The Ford Lightning is one of them.
 
People are forgetting that we're in the first generation of electric vehicles. As technology advances and progresses and we get lighter, more dense batteries, we'll start seeing the weight of electric vehicles come down. This is something that is going to take time. If you want to keep enjoying your 911's as global emission regulations are becoming stricter and stricter, then something has to give. I was an EV skeptic but I put my money where my mouth is and tried it instead of being a keyboard warrior.

This constant back and forth between the ICE vs. EV crowd is old and redundant. Let people enjoy their EV's while you enjoy your car that burns boomer juice.

The ICE didn't become 35% to 40% efficient overnight. It took decades for it to get where it is today.

P.S. EV's come with 90-95% efficiency out of the box.
 
We had two Fiskers catch fire here in Houston a few years ago. Luckily they were both parked out in the driveway. Home wasn’t hurt. But quite a mess. If, IF I were to buy an EV, I would not take the chance of a fire while in my garage. Which in my mind defeats the purpose of having a garage…

Boy do I have news for you. Better get your ICE vehicle out of your garage pronto.

 
What's crazy is to keep putting gas in your tank. I have a solar system that has been providing 90-100% of my monthly power consjumption - in AZ. Charging the Macan isn't going to significantly impact that so I'm good.
Imagine having to worry about oil changes, servicing at 10,000 intervals or not being able to leave your house on a full 'tank'.

Couldn't be me.
 
And what do they say about placing batteries in stored airplane luggage? And how's it going for EV fires at sea on shipping carriers? Look, we can pick and choose our sound bites all day long. The only way I'd buy an EV is if I could put in a 220 line. THAT costs money. Place that on top of the cost of the EV and now price that out over the life of average EV ownership (got any data there?). For me personally, it's not worth it yet.

On this note, there was an article showing recently of the new "craze". Two guys in a truck, one bolt cutter. One cuts the EV cables at recharging stations. The other picks them up and tosses them in the back of the truck. They're stripped for the copper. Seen the price of copper recently? All in? Two and a half minutes...

Two years ago a couple of guys from Road & Track (Car & Driver?) decided to drive a Tesla around the outer perimeter of the U.S. Why? I have no clue. They were good until they got up along the northern border states. They wound up driving across the border to be able to recharge their EV. Most of the ones inside the U.S. border while showing operational via Tesla mapping were not. We're not invested in this area as robustly as we could/should/might want to be. The time to recharge an EV MUST be shortened. I don't like hanging out at gas stations more than I have to. Why do I want to sit at the edges of a poorly lit store lot and wait 20+ minutes for a charge? You're asking for trouble of so many kinds and types. Nah. I'll take my chances with my ICE vehicles for a while longer.
 
On this note, there was an article showing recently of the new "craze". Two guys in a truck, one bolt cutter. One cuts the EV cables at recharging stations. The other picks them up and tosses them in the back of the truck. They're stripped for the copper. Seen the price of copper recently? All in? Two and a half minutes...
Amateurs

 
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