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I have faith the final sale version will look better without camo and finalized paint schemes, trim, and nice wheels, tires and brakes poking through.

I like the look of the Audi e-tron sportback, the Porsche version can't look worse than that....can it?

We will all get used to it eventually. Not many here consider the Macan a forever car the way a 911 is seen in terms of keeping and collecting the classics. In that case, we will have only a choice of what the market (or what the mfg. thinks the market) is dictating.

More interesting are the new charging lounges I saw in the latest Chistophorous magazine.


Porsche seems to be investing in these as if they expect a significant wait time for charging (compared to fueling up) for the foreseeable future. At some point, the memories of filling up gas quickly will fade and everyone will be used to waiting for a mid-trip charge.
 
Lots of pictures and road test reviews of pre-production models. Definitely not a looker after going through every article available. The appearance resembles a lot of eyes frog with legs tucked in, so we are glad we pulled the trigger on the 2024 ICE version that is in PDI today but will be waiting for the EV version to turn into a princess down the road. On the other hand, cannot get enough of the Taycan experience as it is the all the time looker, a relaxing runner, and a space rocket when you needed it to be. However, let's wait for the final reveal by all accounts a month or so away, and let them explain all the fine points of the exterior lines and how many, so many design hours went into it. Oh, the fun part will be the naming - looking forward to that.

These are probably the most realistic images and it is depressing (to me) to look at it. The interior will be a copy of the latest Cayenne, so nothing exciting there either.

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****, that's so disappointing. i still like the look of the 2018 the best.
 
Charging woes and thermal runway fires aside, the biggest issue to me is the estimated 2200kg (4900lbs ish) curb weight.

The current Macan is already too fat; the GTS has a curb weight of around 4400lbs. To it's credit, it does a great job of managing that weight... right up until it doesn't.

Porsche engineers will undoubtedly work thier magic, but I just can't see it retaining the character it has now. My prediction is that it will just be another EV that has a ba-jillion horsepower and does the same old party trick of quietly going really quickly from 0-60mph. Like all performance EV's, amazing on paper, but gets boring to drive after the first couple of weeks.

It looks pretty intriguing, but I'm having a hard time getting excited about it.
 
Porsche engineers will undoubtedly work thier magic, but I just can't see it retaining the character it has now. My prediction is that it will just be another EV that has a ba-jillion horsepower and does the same old party trick of quietly going really quickly from 0-60mph. Like all performance EV's, amazing on paper, but gets boring to drive after the first couple of weeks.

It looks pretty intriguing, but I'm having a hard time getting excited about it.
I think that over time, this issue will work itself out. Right now, simpy being a party trick electric car is a differentiator. Once most cars are electric and all performing the same tricks, then we will see competition naturally drive each brand to express it's heritage just a bit more to attract it's set of buyers.
 
Charging woes and thermal runway fires aside, the biggest issue to me is the estimated 2200kg (4900lbs ish) curb weight.

The current Macan is already too fat; the GTS has a curb weight of around 4400lbs. To it's credit, it does a great job of managing that weight... right up until it doesn't.

Porsche engineers will undoubtedly work thier magic, but I just can't see it retaining the character it has now. My prediction is that it will just be another EV that has a ba-jillion horsepower and does the same old party trick of quietly going really quickly from 0-60mph. Like all performance EV's, amazing on paper, but gets boring to drive after the first couple of weeks.

It looks pretty intriguing, but I'm having a hard time getting excited about it.
I wonder if you have driven an EV, any EV, and then driven a Porsche EV or this is more from reading about them.

I never paid any attention to EVs even though a few of my co-workers have been hard core Tesla Model S owners since it was introduced in 2012 and they would whip me around town to lunch, but I was still not paying attention, until the dealer just gave me the keys to the Taycan Base for a few days, then to Taycan 4S for a few days, then I found a Turbo to test drive, and then I was hooked, I went all out, took a second job and endured a 13 months wait from order to delivery to get me one with no compromises not because it is an EV but because it is a Porsche EV. Now, I seek every opportunity to drive it. All this chatter of weight, low range, broken chargers, and all the other negativity about battery sourcing and disposal and excessive tire wear are not false and to me expected for such new paradigm in motoring that is rapidly improving but it all goes away as you drive one, since I feel like I am in a spaceship and there is literally nothing can compete with the way it drives, because it is a Porsche first with all the years of driving tech seamlessly working together that even its what should be a twin cannot replicate (50K incentive on Audi RS E-Tron GT), forget the startups. I do not disagree that a lot of things have to go right since the limitations above are real, but for me all things aligned, and I charge at home overnight, have almost too many fast and free public chargers (EA) within minutes that I do not even need, and I have plenty of chargers along the way if I want to take my family on 3-5 hour one way out of town trips, giving those routes a good test in the cars the dealer was letting me have for days at a time.

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Therefore, we just need to be patient, and let those Porsche engineers to give us some expected magic, and then see if we get excited about it or not, but the looks so far are not what I was hoping for. My wife ran out of patience on the Macan EV, and she is just a few days away from driving her second Macan, which is a 2024 GTS (delivered but in paint protection for a few more days).
 
Fantastic looking Taycan! Sounds like you were pretty motivated to get it with the second job, I always like hearing stories like that when people work towards their goals!

To your initial question, I've had enough experience with EV's to qualify my position on it. In fact, I cross shopped a number of EV's when I was picking out my new daily driver, including the Taycan and E-Tron GT.

It does depend a lot on your needs and what you value. That is going to be different for everyone.

For me, the current Macan is a perfect answer for an enjoyable daily driver. I don't know that the EV version can offer the same level of convenience, practically, and enjoyment.

I think that over time, this issue will work itself out. Right now, simpy being a party trick electric car is a differentiator. Once most cars are electric and all performing the same tricks, then we will see competition naturally drive each brand to express it's heritage just a bit more to attract it's set of buyers.
I agree with this. I think as battery and charging tech gets better in conjunction with more charging infrastructure, EV's will start to evolve. They should be able to get lighter, and gain more character and charm.

Feels like that is still about 5 to 10 years out though.
 
@Macan-nick, this is what my wife said exactly "...the current Macan is a perfect answer for an enjoyable daily driver. I don't know that the EV version can offer the same level of convenience, practically, and enjoyment." so she will be getting the new 2024 GTS here what appears to be Monday now from the PPF shop to enjoy for those 5+ years until all EV mess is sorted out and if not, we will keep it longer. The current one that will be letting go today, dealer was able to CPO it with no issues with 74k miles on the dial, that we enjoyed for 8+ years and it still drives, feels, and looks like new as we take care of our cars above and beyond.

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The whole charging thing has saying no way. Yesterday I had to foto the grocery store yo grab a few things and I saw a guy charging his BMW SUV as I was walking in. When left the grocery store 15 or 20 minutes later the guy was still there waiting for his charge to complete. I drove by in my 2023 Macan S and the guy ogled my car as I drove away. I think the guy had Porsche envy or ICE envy or maybe little of both. The look on his face was enough for me to know that an ev is not there yet.
 
The whole charging thing has saying no way. Yesterday I had to foto the grocery store yo grab a few things and I saw a guy charging his BMW SUV as I was walking in. When left the grocery store 15 or 20 minutes later the guy was still there waiting for his charge to complete. I drove by in my 2023 Macan S and the guy ogled my car as I drove away. I think the guy had Porsche envy or ICE envy or maybe little of both. The look on his face was enough for me to know that an ev is not there yet.
That BMW guy should be charging at home when he is sleeping if he is motoring locally. This is what I do.
Long trips are a different story, that is definitely far from ready. I know BMWs do not charge as fast as Porsches do so taking 30 minutes to charge under ideal conditions is expected at a minimum, but then he should have gone shopping.
 
4 months delay on what date? Did we even have a date?
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More for those that choose to be the early adopters. Software problems :unsure:

 
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