@Footie I will get back to your answer but first lets look at that power question.

OK, so I could be a potential customer. Forgetting apartments, condos, townhouses, anywhere with community parking. Most houses I see have zero garages, some with on street parking. No good. As you move to the suburbs, you get no garages, 1 car, 2 car, and bigger houses into McMansions, 3+. I see someone with a one car garage and its a nightmare, People have more than one car, so they have to move cars in and out of the garage. If you are going to do this, you need a minimum of TWO chargers. Most houses I see have 3 or 4 cars. People got teenage kids. Its only newly weds or the elderly with two cars. They BOTH need to be plugged in.

So I looked it up

Porsche Wall Charger Connect | PORSCHE SHOP

Experience effortless EV charging with the Porsche-designed wall charger from the convenience of your own home.

shop.porsche.com

then a pedestal if it aint on a wall, location dependent

2015-2023 Porsche Charging Pedestal 970-044-000-70 | Sunset Porsche Parts

2015-2023 Porsche part # 970-044-000-70 - Charging Pedestal

www.sunsetporscheparts.com

Then Porsche has a national electrician

Porsche EV Charging Home Installation by Qmerit

Qmerit has partnered with Porsche as their recommended EV charger installer in North America. Learn about our services and get a quote for home charging today! Electric vehicles...

qmerit.com

The money is not in the hardware, its in the services

I know this is Porsche branded but that's $5K without any services. Electricians are NOT cheap.They walk into the house and its $1K. Then can the house handle it. Does it need to upgrade the AMP service. I know I would need a new SubPanel because all the slots are taken. Then you got to deal with the HOA people and the County inspections, etc etc etc

I see $7K easy (Porsche branded). Granted it can be a lot cheaper if a generic brand

states give rebates. Mine has no money in 2024. LOL

 

OK, lets see

Americans are a different breed no offence but very suck in their ways and don’t like anyone telling them to change or heaven forbid trying to force it upon them.

No argument there. We throw tea into the harbor

1: Cost - Prices will vary from country to country but in general I agree they are a bit dearer. Now if you are classing a Macan a utility vehicle much like a Jeep well then there is no middle ground we are ever going to meet.

Of course a Macan is a utility vehicle by definition. From PAG upon its launch

https://press.porsche.com/presskits_until_2015/motor_shows/2013/losangeles/HighRes/html/en_22145_0.html

Porsche is expanding its range to include a whole new class of vehicle. The Macan is the first Porsche model to break into the compact SUV segment

It is a CUV. A jeep is a 4 x 4 meant for off roading. A CUV is for softroading/bad weather.

2: Depreciation - I can only speak for my own UK market but over here the price has dropped equally on both ICE and EV in fact my wife’s Golf R has dropped more percentage wise than mine.

Not true here. Start reading

https://www.carparts.com/blog/electric-vehicle-depreciation-101-why-do-evs-lose-their-value-faster-than-gas-cars/

Rapid depreciation hits electric car market, surprising experts

Used electric cars are depreciating more rapidly than previously expected, posing significant challenges for both owner…

essanews.com

3: Insurance - This is a myth, my price wasn’t affected when I went EV, the only bit that did change was access which did go up a bit.

Not true here. Read again

https://www.progressive.com/answers/car-insurance-electric-vehicles/

Own a Tesla? Here's Why an Accident Could Cost You Way More Than You Expect

Do Electric Vehicles Cost More to Insure? How Much More?

MoneyGeek's study reveals the most expensive electric vehicles to insure and why EV insurance costs more than coverage for gas-powered cars.

www.moneygeek.com

Insurance companies seem to write these cars off resulting in more "totaled" cars. YOU pay for that cost.

4: Repair - This is one I can’t answer as I haven’t needed any repairs and generally I don’t keep a car longer than 3 years so always under warranty anyway. Service costs are cheaper though.

Same as insurance.

5: Infrastructure - Can’t argue with that, but like I said above home charging is the answer and as to that silly reply to asking a ICE car owner to have a tank and pump at their home they clearly have no idea as to how simply unobtrusive and convenient it is to top your motor up at home instead of having to go to a filling station to do it. I am currently writing this reply in the warmth of my living room whilst my car is topping up outside my door ready for me in the morning. I do see your point about America houses etc and if they want the EV to catch on they need to address this ability to charge whilst you sleep.

New housing might have that convenience but the 95% of existing houses have a vast array of issues. They were never meant to exist with such electrical demands nor plug in.

6: Home Charging unit prices - Mine cost me fully fitted £350 because the government were subsidising it but fully price would have added £300 more. For this price I control it by an app so I can lock it down so no one can use it even when I’m on holidays, I can set the time I want to charge if there’s a cheaper rate etc and I see exactly how much I use so I know exactly how much I am spending each month.

See other post

9: Blackout - Again this will vary as much country to country as state to state, two years and I have never experience a problem on this front.

This is a very real issue and not just for FL. We have had storms, not Hurricanes, just bad storms where power has been out a week at time. Get an Ice Storm and we're screwed. It takes a LONG time to get those lines back up and its much worse in the winter.

10: Lazy - if you are that lazy you will constantly be forgetting to go and fill up with gas. 😂 Come on that can’t be a serious argument. Do you turn your lights off at night before going to sleep, it’s called habit, you’ll get use to it. 😉

You don't own a P-car today, do you. When any of my Porsches over the last 15 years went to bed, they were plugged into a smart charger. If you do not, chances are after a few days you come out to a dead battery. Read the warranty book, its all in there. You need to drive 6K miles/year on a rolling basis. Many Porsches are toys, many, many. You drive them on weekends.

This is a MAJOR aggravation you do NOT see other people do. I come home and if not using that car for a day or two, plug it in. I NEVER see other car makes do this. So yes, its an issue. As you get older, you don't want to CREATE work, you want LESS work.

11: Answered by home charging.

No, it's not. I take vacations, drive around the country. You are only talking about people who never go anywhere other than locally. The great American Vacation is to hit the open road and just "go". Taking 5,000 to 10,000 mile trips is not uncommon. You ever see how many Americans have RVs, campers. Ever been to a US National Park? Hit Yellowstone, Glacier, Yosemite, the Grand Canyon? Etc. Contrary to whatever image might exist, hitting the open road is very very common. People go away for weeks at a time.

12: When you have a power out it can be local or can be further, when it happens your petrol pump also runs on electricity so you are stuck too.

No, they are not. They plug in their gas generator. They have power, your house does not.

13: Like I already said Americans are a different breed, the whole constitution thing and wanting to bear arms despite the number of shoots and number of guns going hand in hand.

Not touching this. That will violate our rules on "controversial" subjects and is not Macan EV related.

of course America is a huge country and some travel greater distances than what we experience over here so for you that switch to EV might require the technology to change where the capacity allows the range to double and charging speeds to half or even less.

A lot of Europeans don't understand how vast it truly is. You acknowledge that, which is good. Its MASSIVE and some parts desolate. The media portrays images of inner cities. Thats a tiny part of America. The vastness of the great plains and mountain areas is far, far different.

 

OK, lets see



No argument there. We throw tea into the harbor



Of course a Macan is a utility vehicle by definition. From PAG upon its launch

https://press.porsche.com/presskits_until_2015/motor_shows/2013/losangeles/HighRes/html/en_22145_0.html

Porsche is expanding its range to include a whole new class of vehicle. The Macan is the first Porsche model to break into the compact SUV segment

It is a CUV. A jeep is a 4 x 4 meant for off roading. A CUV is for softroading/bad weather.



Not true here. Start reading

https://www.carparts.com/blog/electric-vehicle-depreciation-101-why-do-evs-lose-their-value-faster-than-gas-cars/

Rapid depreciation hits electric car market, surprising experts

Used electric cars are depreciating more rapidly than previously expected, posing significant challenges for both owner…

essanews.com

Not true here. Read again

https://www.progressive.com/answers/car-insurance-electric-vehicles/

Own a Tesla? Here's Why an Accident Could Cost You Way More Than You Expect

Do Electric Vehicles Cost More to Insure? How Much More?

MoneyGeek's study reveals the most expensive electric vehicles to insure and why EV insurance costs more than coverage for gas-powered cars.

www.moneygeek.com

Insurance companies seem to write these cars off resulting in more "totaled" cars. YOU pay for that cost.



Same as insurance.



New housing might have that convenience but the 95% of existing houses have a vast array of issues. They were never meant to exist with such electrical demands nor plug in.



See other post



This is a very real issue and not just for FL. We have had storms, not Hurricanes, just bad storms where power has been out a week at time. Get an Ice Storm and we're screwed. It takes a LONG time to get those lines back up and its much worse in the winter.



You don't own a P-car today, do you. When any of my Porsches over the last 15 years went to bed, they were plugged into a smart charger. If you do not, chances are after a few days you come out to a dead battery. Read the warranty book, its all in there. You need to drive 6K miles/year on a rolling basis. Many Porsches are toys, many, many. You drive them on weekends.

This is a MAJOR aggravation you do NOT see other people do. I come home and if not using that car for a day or two, plug it in. I NEVER see other car makes do this. So yes, its an issue. As you get older, you don't want to CREATE work, you want LESS work.



No, it's not. I take vacations, drive around the country. You are only talking about people who never go anywhere other than locally. The great American Vacation is to hit the open road and just "go". Taking 5,000 to 10,000 mile trips is not uncommon. You ever see how many Americans have RVs, campers. Ever been to a US National Park? Hit Yellowstone, Glacier, Yosemite, the Grand Canyon? Etc. Contrary to whatever image might exist, hitting the open road is very very common. People go away for weeks at a time.

No, they are not. They plug in their gas generator. They have power, your house does not.



Not touching this. That will violate our rules on "controversial" subjects and is not Macan EV related.



A lot of Europeans don't understand how vast it truly is. You acknowledge that, which is good. Its MASSIVE and some parts desolate. The media portrays images of inner cities. Thats a tiny part of America. The vastness of the great plains and mountain areas is far, far different.

I do think we in Europe are completely different to our American cousins, you mentioned vacations/holidays and for most of us over here that means travelling to another country but for you lot this is internal, sometimes on a plane but quite often you take the car and this is when I come back to my comment about keeping a regular ICE car as well as you said most families have at least two or more cars.

I think the housing thing is where we probably differ the most and along with many of your other valid points you are probably right EV won’t catch on as quickly as it will else where in the world but I still stick to my guns that for those that can switch a second car to an EV you will love it.

BTW apologises about the other thing, I was only trying to highlight how different you are to us over here, there was nothing meant by it. 👍

 

Both myself and Bro have Easee Chargers, both recommended both by BMW and Porsche. You could pay for a Porsche branded one but why because I am pretty sure they aren’t tuning up the electricity going into your battery to make the car quicker or do more miles. LOL

Personally I wouldn’t recommend anyone at the moment going for more than one EV car in the family, this means both based are covered in that if did have the power out you still have the ICE car to fall back on back as things improve in both technology and infrastructure then we might change the wife over to EV.

I’m quite lucky in that I have a huge tarmac area around my house, so I could have a dozen cars parked and still get past but I do see the point about a traditional driveway. Depending on where you position the charge you shouldn’t have an issue because you can get charging cables up to 10M. On the point about positioning of the charging unit, both mine and the brother’s are exterior as neither of us use the garage to store the cars.

BTW I’m getting a Lotus Eletre for the weekend hopefully next week so I will share my opinions on it and post a few pics too. 👍

 

Both myself and Bro have Easee Chargers, both recommended both by BMW and Porsche. You could pay for a Porsche branded one but why because I am pretty sure they aren’t tuning up the electricity going into your battery to make the car quicker or do more miles. LOL

Personally I wouldn’t recommend anyone at the moment going for more than one EV car in the family, this means both based are covered in that if did have the power out you still have the ICE car to fall back on back as things improve in both technology and infrastructure then we might change the wife over to EV.

I’m quite lucky in that I have a huge tarmac area around my house, so I could have a dozen cars parked and still get past but I do see the point about a traditional driveway. Depending on where you position the charge you shouldn’t have an issue because you can get charging cables up to 10M. On the point about positioning of the charging unit, both mine and the brother’s are exterior as neither of us use the garage to store the cars.

BTW I’m getting a Lotus Eletre for the weekend hopefully next week so I will share my opinions on it and post a few pics too. 👍

And therein lies the rub with our government saying that new ICE cars may not be sold in California after 20235. What happens when an ICE car needs to be replaced? I'll have to buy another EV and then all of a sudden I'm a 2 EV house with no ICE cars and all of those problems now hit home. If the government wants us to encourage to use EV, that's fine. Don't try and mandate that I HAVE to use an EV.

 

@Footie your last post violates rule 8 and has been deleted. No controversial discussions permitted. You are new, now you know. Lets stick to ev pros and cons.

 

One of my gripes about ev’s is that you can’t hear them coming. Some lady In her tesla almost ran me over after she ran a pink light while I was In the crosswalk, did not see or hear her coming.

 

One of my gripes about ev’s is that you can’t hear them coming. Some lady In her tesla almost ran me over after she ran a pink light while I was I the crosswalk, did not see or hear her coming.

Agreed, the sound they generate isn’t enough IMO, especially below 40mph.

 

In addition to many of the great points shared by you all, one of the fundamental challenges on EV is the use of battery unit! There isn't a good way to contain battery flaming issue, toxic fume, and waste, yet!

Auto makers are trying to gain market interesting by pumping up higher HP, quicker acceleration on EV, and both can be excelled in ICE with great driving dynamic if not better.

To many car enthusiasts, the mechanical and sophisticated ICE internal movement is what made ICE unique, similar to one would prefer mechanical timepiece vs digital timepiece counter part!

Would bet if Porsche continues to make new Macan or 718 in ICE using existing or new body, or even S/T edition for purist, the sales number would keep EV edition off the table.

 

I would have classed myself as a petrol head owning most of the performance versions of Audi, BMW and Porsche but the whole EV thing pricked my interested plus the financial benefits through my business that I took a punt as I thought if I didn’t like it I ship it within the year. Almost two years in and the brother bought his Taycan based on my car and I’ve had my deposit down for the Macan EV replacement since Oct 22.

I don’t see a problem with anyone wanting to stick with an ICE equivalent but by the same token I don’t think anyone should have a problem wanting to go the EV route. Genuinely I have yet to meet anyone who has spent a reasonable amount of time with an EV not amazing by them.

@Mii Whilst I agree Porsche should offer the Boxster/Cayman as an ICE the rumor is that Porsche has decided quite a while ago to switch them to electric, is this just chat and in reality they will be staying with engines we will probably know this year for sure.

One thing I have been wondering is as companies switch their models over completely to EV where will this leave the US market, especially as you say your infrastructure isn’t anywhere near up to the job?

 

This clip is NOT cross country, its only 800 miles. x-country is 3,000 miles. The biggest shocker is not how much longer it took for charging, but to me, the cost of electrons was the same as cost of gas. But I would never tolerate the extra time to travel. Travel time is wasted time.

 

What is the average cost per KW in the US, over here in the UK it’s approximately 65-70p/KW which is roughly 3-4 times the price of charging at home which is why most people only get enough to get them back home to charge there.

 

It depends, by state, on how electricity is generated

Cost of Electricity by State, Electric Rates by State

The cost of electricity by state in 2025 vs 2024 can be shown here at Quick Electricity. The US EIA is constantly gathering the latest data on electric rates by state.

quickelectricity.com

65 pence ~85 cents. Thats crazy high. Avg about 16 cents, I see about 12 cents, That equals ~ 9 or 10 pence

😱 You are only paying 9-10p/KW at a charging station, that is nuts. Surely that’s way cheaper than an equivalent sized ICE with similar performance, even with your much cheaper fuel prices. The only negative I can see will be charging times and possible waiting times to get a charging unit if busy.

Still can’t get my head around those prices. 🤪

But if you drive from Chicago to NYC you aint charging at home and thats not a long trip. Drive NYC to LA, truckers go long haul across the country all the time.

At the moment EVs aren’t really an alternative to ICE for long trips and these long trips is very much an American thing.

We use to holiday in Florida and regular met up with a family from New York who always drove down rather than hop on a plane, couldn’t never understand this logic because the cost saving wasn’t that huge and the length of time on the road was nuts but hey their choice.

 

😱 You are only paying 9-10p/KW at a charging station, that is nuts

No, thats residential elec cost, dont know at charging station, its complicated

https://www.motortrend.com/features/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-a-tesla/

I think the worst for at home is the sunk cost for

1. hardware
2. electrician
3. permits
4. bigger amperage to house

When do you break even to recover the sunk cost? The less you drive, the longer it takes.

 

Still won’t park an EV in my garage….

 

Got a random data point re EV infrastructure cost.
A friends underground garage management just approved all 80 spots for added EV hookup.
Cost to lay the main cable and stuff 500K. Additional cost per spot 6K-8K depending on location.
He has two spots. That's a 20K bill. And he doesn't even have a EV.

Although not a true EV I just had the "pleasure" to drive a MG HS Plug-in Hybrid for two weeks.
This was arguably the absolute worst car I've ever driven. Drive one if you get the chance...it's a treat lol.
Maybe I'll take the time for a detailed write up.

 

Wow, expensive work! Not sure of the arrangement involving your friend but it sounds like a condo. If so, it would seem likely a vote of unit owners would probably have been required given the nature and cost of the project. Also, while the cost still hurts, that will likely result in an increase in the cost basis of each unit owner’s property so it would reduce a potential taxable capital gain on the sale of the unit, but given the Federal $250k exemption per owner on owner occupied, primary residence, property ($500k if jointly owned) the increase in basis may not be needed.

 

😭

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-yearlong-review-update-1-sunrun-backup-power/

I have a common 100-amp electrical panel and the Lightning's charger draws up to 80 amps

 

Would a generator not be a cheaper solution if power outages are common? A commercial generator wouldn’t be more than 20K and that’s something to run a sizeable business not a modest home.

 

Yes in my friends case there was a vote that passed by >50% to add charging.
The parking spaces are all owned by the condo owners. So, pay up or move I guess.
In any case I would be pissed to get a 20K bill for a EV charging port I don't need or use.

 

This is why you dont want to live under the heavy hand of condo fees. You dont know how much they can go up and then you cant afford the monthly payments.

Some only require 51% of a quorum, not all owners.

The Latest on Installing EV Charging Stations in Your Condo/HOA

Times have changed since we last covered electric vehicle charging stations. A reader has new questions: "Do you have any research or papers on installing EV charging stations on condominium property? We’re trying to determine how much it would cost, whether grants are available, and whether we...

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I have owned and driven a Mini Cooper SE electric for over two years now. Installed a wall box charger to charge the Mini off my roof solar panels — energy has been FREE — and have been truly enjoying the little car for driving around Sydney. I wouldn’t have it any other way. That to add to my Macan GTS I love to drive at Sport+ around the hilly neighbourhood of Sydney Northern Beaches. The cost of installation of the charger into an existing 3-phase circuits at home was about AUD 2,000 including the charger itself. What not to like!!!

 

i live in a condo and my wife is the president of the board which is nice because I know what is going on. our building has been trying to get ev charging at each parking spot. if a owner wants EV charging they have to pay for the initial install themselves and then dominion electric will charge that unit individually each month for the electricity they use. Doing it this way those who do not have Ev's will not be paying for those that do. the only problem is that we have been trying to do this for three years, parts are unavailable for the Dominion electric to do the work. We were able to get the electric vault updated to accommodate the ev charging stations but that is it so far. Also the waiting list for dominion electric to do the job once they have the parts is long. I see this as one those things our town thinks is great to have to future proof the area but did not look into what was involved and just approved the project.

 

Caught on camera: Thieves now targeting one pricey electric car part

Viewers contacted the NBC4 I-Team to say thieves stole the charging cables from their electric cars, right out of their driveways. There’s a surprising reason why.

www.nbclosangeles.com

EV Charging Cable Theft

With electric vehicles and hybrid plug-ins sold in ever-increasing quantities, uncrewed charging stations create an opportunity for EV charger thievery. But there are some strategies and ideas to protect EV charging cable theft.

www.energy.gov

 

How exactly are they getting the cable off the car and charger, when mine connects to the car it lock at both ends, the car and the charger unit. Even when the car is fully charged and stopped charging it still remains locked until the car itself is unlocked.

Likewise when away from the house like on holiday I lock my charger down so no one can connect on and charge their car at my expense.

Mind you this is an inexpensive item at less than £100 if someone did indeed steal it and makes a change for the cats being stolen off petrol cars which are a fortune to replace and the damage they do cutting them off.

 

How exactly are they getting the cable off the car and charger, when mine connects to the car it lock at both ends

 

The following videos make abundantly clear this effort to force a transition to EVs is unattainable, if not bankrupting
societies attempting to do so.

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Two posts deleted. NO global warming discussions permitted arguing either side. You can discuss the effects of the laws, mandates, etc.

 

Copper theft is real, an article from TEN years ago

Copper theft 'like an epidemic' sweeping US

Copper is used in homes, by utilities and for a number of industrial processes, and increasingly, thieves are going after the metal anywhere they can find it.

www.cnbc.com

today

Copper thieves strike south Minneapolis American Legion, causing thousands of dollars in damage

Wold-Chamberlain American Legion Post #99 is hoping to raise $15,000 for AC units and security upgrades. They are hopeful to get that all done before summer begins.

www.cbsnews.com

Copper Thieves Are Cutting Electric Car Charging Cables and Stealing Them

“They actually cut it while it was charging somebody’s car," an employee at a targeted business told Motherboard.

www.vice.com

 

This is why we cant have nice things. Youtube is full of these videos, something I did not know

 

Some insurers wont insure EV, cost is outrageous

 

We have a business car insurance policy with several staff and ourselves on it. A total of 9 cars are on the policy 2 of which are fully EVs, my i4M50 and the brother’s Taycan CT 4S, our price didn’t go up one bit and the only changes was a slight increase in the access on both EVs and no one under 25 could drive either of our EVs which was the same when I owned the M5 Competition.

I am not saying that some of this isn’t true but from my experience and anyone I have spoken to recently all say the same thing that they haven’t had an issue getting insurance and the prices are a bit dearer than the previous year but in line with what is happening with insurance prices across the board.

 

Every state is different. Location matters.

 

Hahaha I’ve been thinking exactly the same. Replace my GTS I only bought a year ago with the latest model … got to order in the next 3 months or you may miss the opportunity…

I’m reading this thread and I’m not understanding it. Why would you want a vehicle that has been legislatively forced on you in its first year of production with all the potential quirks? I look at the service advisor at my dealership with his head in his hands, staring at the Taycan . They are eons behind companies like Tesla, in terms of getting things done even though the quality and refinement is above in the Porsche. His exact words to me were “when they break they really break”.

Electric vehicles have become like cult. There are people who walk around thinking that they can present the image of saving the universe. They are basically fake do gooders. Governments are hoping that people will buy into this until everybody has one. At that point the dynamics will change. The price of electricity will climb. The incentives that they presented to get you in the car will vanish. Charging will depend on your region and how well they can develop the infrastructure.

You have the best Macan made in the eight years of production. It will be sought after if the EV fails to be quite honest with you I don’t know how it can match the success of this current car. There will be the initial people that run to get it. But after all that novelty erodes you have a dated golf cart that cost $150,000. New batteries will come out. Hybrids will be fused into this. We haven’t even gotten up to the possibility of alternative fuels which, by the way Porsche is testing.

You can always buy this car when it improves or fails when people start pitching them. Don’t think for a second that the minute some piece of legislation goes back to ice that people aren’t going to run to buy it. Why do you think that Porsche is doing everything they can to preserve their nest the 911. It’s the only model that will not become a EV and that order say something in itself.

 

The only reason why electricity price would go up is the loss of revenue from the duty of fuel but they can’t shift the price of electricity because it’s not unique to the car in that every appliance in your house uses it so they can’t separate what is the car and what isn’t. The most likely thing that will happen is road tax will change from a yearly thing to the miles your car covers which frankly they should have done years ago because a fixed price for road tax when one person does 5K per year and another does 50K per year isn’t fair.

The only negative I see against the Macan is new technology they have designed for it and the Q6 which will probably be rolled out through the entire lineup eventually, the tech in the Taycan isn’t very good, in fact compared to my i4 it’s crap something both my brother and I agree on, he admits the Taycan is the drivers car or the two but to live with it’s the i4 he would pick if he could.

So whilst my deposit has been down since mid 2022 I am still very hesitant about committing to buying one until I see how robust this new tech is.

 

Post 191 moved here vice Aussie specific thread as a more general ev question

 

You can always buy this car when it improves or fails when people start pitching them. Don’t think for a second that the minute some piece of legislation goes back to ice that people aren’t going to run to buy it. Why do you think that Porsche is doing everything they can to preserve their nest the 911. It’s the only model that will not become a EV and that order say something in itself.

Porsche has already made public their plan to create a hybrid 911. It seems like it would only be a matter of time before it would become all electric.

 

If there is one model in their lineup which will resist the switch to full EV then I think it’s the 911.