[dave-t]

I guess I am one of the few who have an emotional attachment to way a car drives, hopefully I am getting a 911 soon and I would much rather have a 964 or 993 over a 992. I will most likely get a tiptronic as well because I can’t row gears with my right shoulder because I had a total shoulder done three years ago. Fro those who don’t know what that means to put simple I have a metal ball and stem in my shoulder with a slab of plastic it rotated on. I don’t care about driving fast stop light to stop light, I just want to stroll. I have driven a tiptronic before and know it is a slush slush box. I also like that the 993 and 964 are much smaller than a 992. For this very reason I can never see my self wanting a EV because I don’t care about speed and tech.

 

[oqjnLu@>@W]

Even when I owned my 993 (C4S), I was struck by its "small on the inside, LARGE on the outside" feeling/dimensions.

From what I've seen in the PCA, etc. listings, you may be more likely to find a 964 than a 993, however both seem to have
suffered form HUGE price increases over the last few years as people seem desperate to acquire "last of" the oil cooled
Porsches. This played out a few decades ago with BMW motorcycles as they began to transition away from air cooled.
Think of VW as well and the history of the Beetle. Who really misses it now?

I owned a succession of VW buses back in the day. I surely don't miss doing the frequent valve adjustments, nor the lack
of heat in the cold months. No worries over changing any antifreeze though...


At any rate, good luck 🍀 finding your dream 964 or 993! There are still some out there and, hopefully, you can find one that
was well maintained at a price you can live with.

 

[EdwardATX]

Its one thing to buy a sports car as a toy, drive it, love it, and keep it for a decade as a hobby. Its another thing to do the same for a DD you depend upon to get to work.

100%! This is why I am convinced that ICE sports cars will soldier on as niche enthusiast vehicles serviced by niche specialist mechanics. Think vacuum tube amplifiers and vinyl record player versus Spotify + AirPods -- audiophiles are very few in number, but there is still an active niche market for that interest. I'll happily listen to my music on open-back headphones plugged into a USB DAC playing high-res lossless audio. Whereas everyone else who doesn't care about THD and warmth of sound just listens to compressed audio streamed over Bluetooth into tiny earbuds.

Re: infrastructure, when I was a college student in 2000, I would take my laptop from Ethernet port to Ethernet port across campus. And I'd unplug a landline phone on some desk to use my PCMCIA modem with dial-up Internet if I was really desperate. There was a lack of convenient infrastructure for Internet access. Fast EV charging is in the late dial-up / early DSL phase, so to speak.

The Macan EV will hit its demographic mark -- $400K+ USD annual income, owns a home, and has access to a Level 2 charger at home. The $7500 tax credit won't make a difference to the typical buyer who will be cross-shopping a Tesla Model Y, BMW iX3, LR Velar EV, or M-B EQC SUV. The Macan EV owner will start each day with a "full tank", drive it to drop off the kids at school, go to work, go to Costco / Target / mall, and then come home. Because that's the life of a typical Macan owner today, no?

 

[grim]

100%! This is why I am convinced that ICE sports cars will soldier on as niche enthusiast vehicles serviced by niche specialist mechanics. Think vacuum tube amplifiers and vinyl record player versus Spotify + AirPods -- audiophiles are very few in number, but there is still an active niche market for that interest. I'll happily listen to my music on open-back headphones plugged into a USB DAC playing high-res lossless audio. Whereas everyone else who doesn't care about THD and warmth of sound just listens to compressed audio streamed over Bluetooth into tiny earbuds.

Re: infrastructure, when I was a college student in 2000, I would take my laptop from Ethernet port to Ethernet port across campus. And I'd unplug a landline phone on some desk to use my PCMCIA modem with dial-up Internet if I was really desperate. There was a lack of convenient infrastructure for Internet access. Fast EV charging is in the late dial-up / early DSL phase, so to speak.

The Macan EV will hit its demographic mark -- $400K+ USD annual income, owns a home, and has access to a Level 2 charger at home. The $7500 tax credit won't make a difference to the typical buyer who will be cross-shopping a Tesla Model Y, BMW iX3, LR Velar EV, or M-B EQC SUV. The Macan EV owner will start each day with a "full tank", drive it to drop off the kids at school, go to work, go to Costco / Target / mall, and then come home. Because that's the life of a typical Macan owner today, no?

I agree with all of this. They really won't care because they care more about the color than the car and they are NOT on this forum.

Interesting point though, one of the largest, if not THE largest of the 2000 or so forums owned by this company is AVSFORUMS. Audiophile interest might be far larger than you can imagine. Turntables are doing good business. Very high end speakers do booming business, some which I"m sure cost more than a Macan. Home Theater, even subwoofers, probably have a LARGER following than Macan. Its a BIG part of society.

But for Joe Schmoe, sure, I just used my wireless earbuds. Good enough for me. And that audiophile business is NOT going away.

There will be a market for the Macan EV, the only question being - home big? No one knows.

 

[EdwardATX]

Interesting point though, one of the largest, if not THE largest of the 2000 or so forums owned by this company is AVSFORUMS. Audiophile interest might be far larger than you can imagine. Turntables are doing good business. Very high end speakers do booming business, some which I"m sure cost more than a Macan. Home Theater, even subwoofers, probably have a LARGER following than Macan. Its a BIG part of society.

Ah nice, I didn't realize MacanForum.com is related to AVSFORUMS. I used to lurk on there back in the day.

If the audiophile community were as big as the Internet would make it seem, we'd still have multiple high-end stereo shops in every city, right? Besides the occasional Magnolia Home Theater inside a Best Buy, when was the last time you saw a dedicated stereo shop? Again, it's a niche market.

Re: how many Macan EV ... I suppose it's hard to tell even based on the Taycan supply / demand curve since the supply seems so out of whack. Price will obviously be a big determinant. My guess is they follow the Taycan introduction process; the 2025 Macan Turbo will be EV, followed by a 2026 Macan S EV, then a 2027 or 2028 Macan base EV. The Turbo is an easy place to start because there's obviously no more Macan Turbo in V6 ICE form. GTS and T variants will follow much later.

Porsche's MO is to start with high MSRP models to snag the most willing, most profitable customers first. Then trend downwards on trim levels / MSRP to get those customers on the sidelines who are interested, but can't / won't splash out $$$ to be the first kid on the block with the newest toy.

 

[grim]

Ah nice, I didn't realize MacanForum.com is related to AVSFORUMS. I used to lurk on there back in the day.

If the audiophile community were as big as the Internet would make it seem, we'd still have multiple high-end stereo shops in every city, right? Besides the occasional Magnolia Home Theater inside a Best Buy, when was the last time you saw a dedicated stereo shop? Again, it's a niche market.

Everyday? I bet you dont see them because its just another sign. Look,around. I was in the market, was reading avsforums, and pretty much realized there were as many home theater stores as Porsche dealers in the area. But if you are not looking for them, you dont see them.

 

[95B3.6]

The next 5 years or so will be telling...will EV fires increase, will insurance premiums go up on these things, and what will home insurers do if you have one in your garage.

I've been thinking about this a bit given the ongoing insurance cost crisis that seems to be building.

I can see automated EV fire suppression systems in garages becoming common or even being required. Perhaps they'd be built in, but based on a system like this:

These will help until the firefighters show up with suppression blankets:

Giving them time to drown your baby in a dipping container:

 

[yrralis1]

I've been thinking about this a bit given the ongoing insurance cost crisis that seems to be building.

I can see automated EV fire suppression systems in garages becoming common or even being required. Perhaps they'd be built in, but based on a system like this:

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These will help until the firefighters show up with suppression blankets:

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Giving them time to drown your baby in a dipping container:

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Yikes !! I knew it was bad but this is shocking

 

[EdwardATX]

Auto Insurance EZ compiled sales and accident data from the Bureau of Transportation Statistics and the National Transportation Safety Board. The site found that hybrid vehicles had the most fires per 100,000 sales at 3474.5. There were 1529.9 fires per 100k for gas vehicles and just 25.1 fires per 100k sales for electric vehicles.

Exothermic runaway of lithium ion batteries is an uncommon occurrence. Hybrid vehicles combine the fire probabilities of ICE and EV, so it makes sense that they have a higher incidence of fire than either ICE or EV.

If it happened as frequently as EV naysayers cite, we should also be scared of carrying around laptops and smartphones. I do mobile device engineering for a living, and this failure rate is a little higher than what I've seen with consumer laptops. A typical EV carries about 1000 laptops' worth of Li-Ion batteries.

That said, when an EV does experience thermal runaway, it is a more intense fire than gasoline due to the density of energy stored. Only about 40% of the energy in a gasoline molecule can actually be converted to useful mechanical work. The remainder is waste heat. Whereas 90% of the energy stored in a battery can be converted to work.

 

[EdwardATX]

Re: EV repair costs, Road & Track (whom I consider reputable and balanced in their coverage of all things automotive for many decades now), just published a well-researched article:

Everything You Know About Electric Car Repair Costs Is Wrong

It's time to debunk the widely circulated idea that Teslas are being written off en masse after relatively minor accidents; and debunk, too, the idea that EVs and their batteries are leading to runaway repair costs.

www.roadandtrack.com

My tl;dr: Model S and Taycan repair costs compare similarly to large luxury sedans such as BMW 7-Series. I would expect a Macan EV's repair costs to be similar to a Land Rover Evoque, for example.

Because there haven't been many low-priced EVs sold compared to the overall number of econo / $hitbox ICE cars, EVs as an entire market are unfairly compared to all ICE cars. Whereas if you were to compare >$50K EVs to >$50K ICE cars, the delta on repair costs is small-to-none.

 

[boksburgboy]

Porsche’s Macan EV comes out in 2024—we drive the prototype

 

[BMinSFL]

Porsche’s Macan EV comes out in 2024—we drive the prototype

A lot of good info on this article:

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2025-porsche-macan-ev-prototype-first-drive-review/

Can we ever get used to this profile? Reminds me of a Saturn. Hopefully it's better in person on the production version and while the ICE version isn't perfect, it doesn't have any angles as bad as this.

 

[95B3.6]

angles as bad as this

Hideous.

 

[BMinSFL]

Hideous.
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There's at least a significant amount of camo still on the back so it will look much better from the rear. That reminds me of the Cayenne coupe shape, at least until the camo is removed.

I'm hoping there's still camo on the front that will help it improve it's looks and stance.

 

[internalaudit]

It's looking like the Macan EV will likely debut soon, hearsay is at the L.A. Auto Show in November.

There are some inconsistencies with respect to some specs but the first three are from the UK and the last one from the US. It seems it's confirmed that the Macan EV will have a single-gear and will not have PDCC has an option, neither of which are deal-breakers for my wife.

Pretty good driving impressions overall though.

Why the best Porsche Macan EV is the most basic one

Read our full review to find out why

www.carmagazine.co.uk

Basic is best: Porsche's best seller goes EV, with surprising results | Autocar

Can the highly popular SUV retain traditional Porsche qualities as it enters the age of EVs?

www.autocar.co.uk

Porsche Macan Electric review | Auto Express

Hi-tech, good to drive, and with a high-end interior, the Macan Electric feels like a proper Porsche

www.autoexpress.co.uk

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2025-porsche-macan-ev-prototype-first-drive-review/

 

[sergeyb]

Lots of pictures and road test reviews of pre-production models. Definitely not a looker after going through every article available. The appearance resembles a lot of eyes frog with legs tucked in, so we are glad we pulled the trigger on the 2024 ICE version that is in PDI today but will be waiting for the EV version to turn into a princess down the road. On the other hand, cannot get enough of the Taycan experience as it is the all the time looker, a relaxing runner, and a space rocket when you needed it to be. However, let's wait for the final reveal by all accounts a month or so away, and let them explain all the fine points of the exterior lines and how many, so many design hours went into it. Oh, the fun part will be the naming - looking forward to that.

These are probably the most realistic images and it is depressing (to me) to look at it. The interior will be a copy of the latest Cayenne, so nothing exciting there either.

 

[steveo17]

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2025-porsche-macan-ev-prototype-first-drive-review/

Final Thoughts
These Macan mules not only felt production-ready, but they felt like electrified current-gen Macans. Yes, it was an early drive, and the German engineers were being willfully tightlipped, so there's just not much more to tell. Since its introduction, the Macan has been the brand's best-selling product, and we can't see a single reason why this excellent new electric version would reverse that trend. As several companies have shown already (Tesla, Rivian, BMW, Mercedes, and now Kia), electric SUVs make a heap of sense, especially when it comes to packaging. Porsche just has to make sure its new SUV is the sportiest of all of them. Based on our brief drive of four pre-production mules, we'd say mission accomplished. We wish we had more to tell you, but that's coming soon with a review of the actual production Macan EV. Now comes the tricky part—the electric Boxster/Cayman.

 

[Hokie]

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2025-porsche-macan-ev-prototype-first-drive-review/

Final Thoughts
These Macan mules not only felt production-ready, but they felt like electrified current-gen Macans. Yes, it was an early drive, and the German engineers were being willfully tightlipped, so there's just not much more to tell. Since its introduction, the Macan has been the brand's best-selling product, and we can't see a single reason why this excellent new electric version would reverse that trend. As several companies have shown already (Tesla, Rivian, BMW, Mercedes, and now Kia), electric SUVs make a heap of sense, especially when it comes to packaging. Porsche just has to make sure its new SUV is the sportiest of all of them. Based on our brief drive of four pre-production mules, we'd say mission accomplished. We wish we had more to tell you, but that's coming soon with a review of the actual production Macan EV. Now comes the tricky part—the electric Boxster/Cayman.

Thanks for the post! Can't wait!

 

[mellow_sparky]

Sadly it looks like a Tesla (which where I live is every other car on the road)

Porsche Macan EV: First tests reveal new technology (insideevs.de)

 

[yrralis1]

Sadly it looks like a Tesla (which where I live is every other car on the road)

Porsche Macan EV: First tests reveal new technology (insideevs.de)

Its in German . Its ugly . Looks like a black marshmallow . In contrast the Taycan is beautiful looking compared to the Panamera .