Believe the Macan EV was suppose to debut at the LA Auto Show this week. Since it's now delayed to Spring 2024 (likely @ March is the rumor when the Audi Q6 e-tron will also be released) Porsche has dropped out the LA Auto Show entirely, joining Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Stellantis Group etc.

 

This did not prevent Toyota to release their copy of Macan EV look at LA Auto Show.
Bumper headlights are here to stay.

 

All good articles, I think Porsche and the Macan will be next to realize that very few people want EV’s. Can you imagine your Macan but with another 1000 lbs curb weight?

 

MSM notices speed limiters

Should cars have built-in speed limits? Some think it’s time

The National Transportation Safety Board recommended that all new vehicles come equipped with technology to make speeding difficult or impossible.

www.nbcnews.com

 

Instead of limiting the speed of cars how about actually giving licenses to people who can actually drive and not hand out drivers licenses to anybody.

 

Well said, it's interesting how regulators are always focusing on the wrong root cause! How are they going to prevent people from adding a chip/software to bypass the speed limit!

Our neighbor got one BMW EV, totally regretted after realizing the car can't get the expected mileage from casual use of A/C, stereo, with occasional spirited acceleration during the travel. Most shockingly is the auto & home insurance premium renewal, both climb steeply at 17%+. They called up the insurance to find out that EV insurance premium will continue to go up at much higher pace due to potential fire hazard, the car parked inside of garage compartment also triggered overall home insurance premium increase.

We discussed with one of the Porsche Service, it quoted $48K to replace Taycan battery. The desire of owning EV in our garage has gone down in the drain even it's free!

 

Well said, it's interesting how regulators are always focusing on the wrong root cause! How are they going to prevent people from adding a chip/software to bypass the speed limit!

Our neighbor got one BMW EV, totally regretted after realizing the car can't get the expected mileage from casual use of A/C, stereo, with occasional spirited acceleration during the travel. Most shockingly is the auto & home insurance premium renewal, both climb steeply at 17%+. They called up the insurance to find out that EV insurance premium will continue to go up at much higher pace due to potential fire hazard, the car parked inside of garage compartment also triggered overall home insurance premium increase.

We discussed with one of the Porsche Service, it quoted $48K to replace Taycan battery. The desire of owning EV in our garage has gone down in the drain even it's free!

This is very helpful and interesting data points with a lesson to do your due diligence when going into something new like EV motoring as your mileage may vary. I spent 2 years learning, driving, evaluating each option, before making a decision to purchase our Taycan and my experience is totally different from what you are describing.

1. Insurance: I called our agent who covers our house, cars, life, etc. all insurance and was surprised that Taycan insurance is only 17% more than a Cayenne and 28% more than a Macan, which is much less than proportional differences in their retail values, so that was such a deal. Therefore, if in your example of a BMW EV that costs the same that Macan ICE version and insurance is 17% more, than this is a concern. Our Cayenne costs 50% more and Taycan 100% more than our 2024 Macan GTS. All of them parked in the same garage and no Home insurance premium went up.

2. EV Batteries: There is a lot of misconceptions around this topic, but what I found out, is that EV batteries in general and Taycan in particular are so resilient that they will outlast the car by many years, not to mention, this component is warrantied for much more than your standard car warranty, and its state of health (level of degradation over time) is also under warranty. Therefore, your argument for replacing a battery at 46k is not wrong, but when this event would even happen, after 8 years and 100k miles? I am participating in a study on the Taycan forum, and no one is having any issues with battery replacements out of pocket and if anyone needs one replaced, they are getting a better one for FREE.

3. Level of Enjoyment: One factor that is missing is the level of enjoyment of driving Taycan in particular since it is a Porsche first. I went all in when placing my order, thinking this is way too much to spend, and way too much risk, however, it has been flawless and the level of enjoyment is pretty much infinite, to me. The car looks and drives like a dream. There is not a day goes by that I am not looking forward to every drive, and I cannot see another car on the road that even comes close in terms of looks, utility, sound, driving dynamics, and everyday practicality.

 

It’s going to be maybe two or three more years before I have enough money to buy a nice car, and it’s definitely gonna be a non-electric non-hybrid 911. Gasoline only.

 

A very detailed overview and technical deep dive into the new Macan EV.

 

Porsche Macan EV details & ride-along: Up to 603 horsepower, better battery, can go sideways | Porsche Club of America

It was nearly ten years ago when Porsche introduced the Macan, a compact SUV with the bones of an Audi Q5 and the heart of a sports car. It became Porsche’s best-selling model, a title it still holds, and 80% of its buyers are new to the marque. Today Porsche gave us more information on the...

www.pca.org

 

 

At 75 years old....nope. Unless I receive a certified letter from Porsche (or any other EV manufacturer) that states in the event of a fire caused by parking my EV in the garage burns my home to the ground they will reimburse me AT MY COST to make me whole again.

 

I just can't stomach going a EV no matter how fast they are, seems I'll be buying a very late last Macan with low k's when the time comes to update in a year or so.

 

This is interesting, half of Buick dealers walk away rather than sell EVs

GM buys out nearly half of its Buick dealers across the country, who opt to not sell EVs

GM said nearly half of its Buick dealers opted to take a buyout rather than invest in an all-electric future.

www.freep.com

 

I never thought of owning an EV until I drove Taycan. Loving every minute and every mile.
Not for everyone with a lot to consider, but the smiles per mile is my measure.

 

First cars with next-generation CarPlay officially announced - 9to5Mac

Apple has officially made good on its long-standing promise. The first cars with support for next-generation CarPlay have been announced....

9to5mac.com

Safe to assume new Apple CarPlay will be integrated in the Macan EV for 2024 for 2025 models

 

The US EV pushback is getting worse. Half of Ford dealers refuse to sell EVs

Only Half of All Ford Dealers Agree to Sell EVs Next Year | OilPrice.com

Ford said on Thursday that half of all 1,550 Ford dealers chose to sell electric vehicles in 2024—down from two-thirds that said this time last year that they would opt in to sell EVs for 2023.

oilprice.com

 

Yes...

John Cadogan, AKA Auto Expert, had an episode in which he noted both GM and Ford seem to have "de-committed" from EVs,
in part because people are not buying them.

He has several videos in which he illustrates the ongoing "spontaneous" combustion issues with EVs and the associated issues
with the fires (toxic gases, risk of explosion, extremely high burning temperatures and damage to surroundings, etc.).


I find him to be pretty entertaining!


YMMV...

 

Thermal runaway …

 

Porsche is developing synth fuel, so we dont need to drive electric to save the world! Anyways driving electric to the airport i funny! One long flight and you can drive a year fuel

 

I am not an ev supporter but the last I read Porsches synthetic fuel is $15.00 a gallon. Price is going to have to drop significantly if they want it to take off.

 

I think everyone is entitled to their opinion about EVs whether they like or dislike them but more often than not the ones that totally dismiss them haven’t actually spent any time in one.

Now I am not saying that some of the earlier ones weren’t that great, crap range and hellish slow to charge too but all the modern ones are brill honestly.

I have a deposit down on the Macan EV, currently own an i4M50 and the brother has a Taycan so very familiar with the whole ownership of an EV now. I can tell you for those doubters that the instant acceleration is a drug but it isn’t even the best bit, it’s the buttery smooth power delivery that’s the best bit, live with an EV and as soon as you step back into an ICE car again you instantly realise just how crude their drivetrain is. As a daily drivers nothing beats an EV.

I’m from the UK so home ownership is probably greater than in the US but honestly home charging is the thing you really want, that ability to charge when you want and remember up to 11KW/h charging you top to 100% so maximum miles.

Now back to the Macan EV, I believe this month the full reveal will be happening so outputs, range, models and pricing will be revealed. As yet I can’t find an idea as to probable prices, like how much more will it be compared to the current model with its petrol engine.

 

+1 to @Footie. Recent 2nd Macan owners. Never paid attention to EVs. Dealer let me drive various Taycans for days. This turned me into a Taycan owner. Addictive is an understatement. Looking forward to every drive. I was sold on it being a Porsche first and EV second but all EV points are spot on that you are describing.

EVs are not for everyone or every place, so buyers need to educate themselves first, otherwise they feel disappointed with what they should have known in the first place before posting negative reviews and trading the cars in.

It gets really tiring listening about public charging issues, range anxiety, charging anxiety and so on, the point is charge at home while you sleep and plan your trip when you go out of town with so many real time apps and tools available, however, if you cannot handle it given your driving needs, then wait until things get better with more range in cars and more public access to charging. For example, it took 13 months from order to delivery, and during that time we had 3 more fast charging locations opened up and the dealer now has 2 total. So many for my local needs that I do not need them, even if they are free, but I do check on them to make sure they are operational and available to me if I need to and no problem so far by doing a short test charge. However, that is not common.

We are very curious to see what Macan EV will be but this much of a delay not helping the matter.

 

@sergeyb I'm going to list reasons why I think the buying public has hit a stone wall and EV sales stopped far short of "predictions". Please feel free to rebut. Mostly "its about money" but its also things like how Americans live, feel, and what they are used to. Feel free to rebut each line. I will add my personal opinion in blue

To give perspective on numbers there are some 290,000,000 registered cars in the US as of 9/22

Per the DOE, official stats

Alternative Fuels Data Center: Vehicle Registration Counts by State

There are some 2.4M EVs on the road as of 2022. So EVs make up LESS THAN 1% of registered vehicles. They are so far DEEP IN THE NOISE, they are not significant enough to matter much. Some states have so few EVs as to insignficant footnotes in history, like MI with 33K EV vs 7M ice. Its not even worth discussion.

Perspective matters.


Money

1. Despite the "incentives", they simply cost too much compared to their comparable ICE.

I don't want to pay 15% more for an equivalent. Don't care ONE BIT about being faster. its a "utility" vehicle. If I want go fast, I drive sports cars, not a top heavy, truck.

2. I think Depreciation is bad. Nobody wants a used EV

Tradein value - TCO, matters although Im not convince many people understand TCO.

3. Insurance is higher than the comparable ICE

Yes, that's an issue. Money matters. Thermal runaway matters for insurance purposes if it causes rates to increase.

4. Cost to repair is higher

https://info.mitchell.com/plugged-in-q3-2023-report

All these money things add up

Infrastructure

5. Many people don't have garages or live in apartments, townhouses with community parking. This is a BIG part of America. Huge. No charging for you. I understand new builds might include some but existing ones would ADD to HOA fees and many people rebel at that thought of price increases. Its bad enough as it is.

This is a HUGE issue for much of the population. They can't assume everyone has a cozy garage. I see community parking all over the place and you park where you can and it changes all the time.

6. Sunk costs for single family homes. Who wants to drop $3 -5K? Whatever, for some sunk costs for a home charging stations (electrician, sub panel, wiring, charging bits), what ever it costs when gas stations are everywhere.

I see sunk costs a big issue. Who wants to drop $3K or more only to find out they hate EVs or then move, or whatever? Many times people got barely enough money to buy a new car never mind have to invest in their house. This is a real issue.

7. No need to discuss infrastructure on the road. Even the DOE Sec couldn't charge her car



8. Why are so many charging stations broken? Americans won't put up with that nonsense, We spoiled

Why America's EV chargers keep breaking

Many electric vehicle chargers across the U.S. do not work properly, creating a significant challenge for the Biden administration's agenda and a shift away from gasoline-powered cars.

www.politico.com

9. Blackouts occur all the time. Add more EVs, how will the grid possibly handle it when the number of EVs today is minuscule?

We get days in the summer where the electric company begs its customers to not use electric. Now add some huge number of cars. It will likely fail. 1% today is nothing,

Convenience

10. We lazy How many people will remember to plugin at night? How many people here forget to plug in their smart chargers? Or don't want to "because"

Yeah, I can be lazy too. Who want to be FORCED to do this? Don't force me to do anything, The older one gets, the more I don't want to do Anything

11. Who wants to wait even 10 minutes for charging on the road? eg. I hit a gas station and GONE in 5 minutes. I ain't waiting for nobody. Don't tell me charge at home because I've driven around the entire country many, many times and am NOT home.

Patience is not one of my many virtues. Not in any way. I don't do lines. I leave. And then NEVER go back to where the line was. Time is short and the older you get, the more precious time becomes. This is a REAL issue.

12. Hurricanes, power goes out. Its a thing. We've been out of power for weeks at a time. Don't tell me "sorry". But gas station are open 20 miles away. Its a thing and I aint talking just FL. Its not just hurricane. Power goes out for many reasons from massive thunderstorms to snowstorms.

Another REAL issue. I've been without power for a week at time. That is not tolerable ALSO not have a car. Thats especially bad during snow.

Mandates

13. Generally, Americans hate mandates. They rebel and will buy only what they want. They create black markets and ignore the mandates. Look no further than Prohibition and the creation of an Amendment then another Amendment to repeal the first. Or look at the massive PSA campaigns, not a mandate, to stop smoking, and yet, people smoke despite sin taxes.

The free market should define consumer buys. Want some cheap stuff from Amazon? Your choice. Want to pay top dollar for American made? Your choice. But to FORCE people to buy anything will not be tolerated by many UNLESS it make economic sense that the buyer can see and feel.

By this we are talking the early adopter are done. Early adopter "adopt". At just shy of 1% of cars on the road, now you got to convince the real buyers and not the early adopter who adopt just to change.

I won't go further than that other than an example, Given a choice of incandescent bulbs, halogens bulbs, CFL bulbs, and LED bulbs, inevitably, despite an initial higher cost, LEDs prevailed not because incandescent bulbs were mandated away. But because LEDs became reasonable priced AND the wattage was far less.

One could see a real difference in monthly electric bills month to money over incandescents nm the longer lives.

IOW Money matters. Otherwise the hoarders are still using incandescents despite more expensive monthly electric bills.

For EVs, the consumer has to freely see the same thing, a true mostly cost difference and not some wish list.

Feel free to rebut. Its just a discussion and relevant to a Macan ICE vs EV debate.

 

Americans are a different breed no offence but very suck in their ways and don’t like anyone telling them to change or heaven forbid trying to force it upon them.

1: Cost - Prices will vary from country to country but in general I agree they are a bit dearer. Now if you are classing a Macan a utility vehicle much like a Jeep well then there is no middle ground we are ever going to meet.

2: Depreciation - I can only speak for my own UK market but over here the price has dropped equally on both ICE and EV in fact my wife’s Golf R has dropped more percentage wise than mine.

3: Insurance - This is a myth, my price wasn’t affected when I went EV, the only bit that did change was access which did go up a bit.

4: Repair - This is one I can’t answer as I haven’t needed any repairs and generally I don’t keep a car longer than 3 years so always under warranty anyway. Service costs are cheaper though.

5: Infrastructure - Can’t argue with that, but like I said above home charging is the answer and as to that silly reply to asking a ICE car owner to have a tank and pump at their home they clearly have no idea as to how simply unobtrusive and convenient it is to top your motor up at home instead of having to go to a filling station to do it. I am currently writing this reply in the warmth of my living room whilst my car is topping up outside my door ready for me in the morning.

I do see your point about America houses etc and if they want the EV to catch on they need to address this ability to charge whilst you sleep.

6: Home Charging unit prices - Mine cost me fully fitted £350 because the government were subsidising it but fully price would have added £300 more. For this price I control it by an app so I can lock it down so no one can use it even when I’m on holidays, I can set the time I want to charge if there’s a cheaper rate etc and I see exactly how much I use so I know exactly how much I am spending each month.

9: Blackout - Again this will vary as much country to country as state to state, two years and I have never experience a problem on this front.

10: Lazy - if you are that lazy you will constantly be forgetting to go and fill up with gas. 😂 Come on that can’t be a serious argument.

Do you turn your lights off at night before going to sleep, it’s called habit, you’ll get use to it. 😉

11: Answered by home charging.

12: When you have a power out it can be local or can be further, when it happens your petrol pump also runs on electricity so you are stuck too.

13: Like I already said Americans are a different breed, the whole constitution thing and wanting to bear arms despite the number of shoots and number of guns going hand in hand.

I am not for one minute suggestion EVs are for everyone but to dismiss them out of hand without actually experiencing them is silly, if you have the ability to have a home charger then definitely give it a second look but of course America is a huge country and some travel greater distances than what we experience over here so for you that switch to EV might require the technology to change where the capacity allows the range to double and charging speeds to half or even less.

 

^So true, range concerns is the most common comment I hear from someone who is considering an EV or dismisses it and the reality is that for 90% of potential owners it’s a non issue. The biggest thing I think that’s important is the ability to charge at home, home changing means any day you can charge from 10% to full within 12 hours tops but ideally charge at night when cheapest.

I have owned my EV almost 2 years now and only twice charged away from home and on both occasions I only topped up enough to get home to where the charging rate is pences. With my old M5 Comp my monthly fuel bill was £230-240, now my extra electrical bill is £65 and that’s with the electricity rates at their highest ever.

Oh and one thing I forgot to mention that is easily the greatest bit of owning a quick EV is being able to use that power unnoticed, stick the boot in a performance petrol car and everyone looks. I am Mr Invisible now. 😊

p.s.

The delay is the only reason I am considering else where, with both the Lotus Eletre and Polestar 3 in the running. The Lotus interior is incredible, I genuinely rate it ahead of Porsche which I never thought I would ever hear myself saying but I dislike the Chinese safety Nannie’s that need turned off every time to step into it, if they were removal or able to be turned off with one touch I would be in one today but I don’t see that happening. The Polestar is the unknown, I like the looks and the interface of its tech but I assume it won’t drive anything like the other two.

Decisions, decisions

 

^So true, range concerns is the most common comment I hear from someone who is considering an EV or dismisses it and the reality is that for 90% of potential owners it’s a non issue. The biggest thing I think that’s important is the ability to charge at home, home changing means any day you can charge from 10% to full within 12 hours tops but ideally charge at night when cheapest.

I have owned my EV almost 2 years now and only twice charged away from home and on both occasions I only topped up enough to get home to where the charging rate is pences. With my old M5 Comp my monthly fuel bill was £230-240, now my extra electrical bill is £65 and that’s with the electricity rates at their highest ever.

Oh and one thing I forgot to mention that is easily the greatest bit of owning a quick EV is being able to use that power unnoticed, stick the boot in a performance petrol car and everyone looks. I am Mr Invisible now. 😊

You have not addressed the core issues I mentioned. A short summary

1. Many in America do NOT have the luxury of charging at home. They have community parking. You park wherever you can depending when you get home. Many people in HOAs will NOT appreciate being told their monthly fees will go up if the decide to install charging stations. There are many Macan owners in apartments. Where do they charge?
2. What is the ROI to make up the sunk costs to install the charging equipment vs price of gas. Don't forget gas in the US is much cheaper than in the EU or UK. The difference between regular and high test gas is significant, it can be over a $1/gallon.
3. You haven't addressed that our weather seems much worse than the EU. Outages for a week happen, and its not an anomaly. Have it happen to you once and you will get very angry with the power company. Trees grow, they take down lines, and its perpetual, forever. For some reason those trees won't stop growing!
4. Once the number of EVs increase, there ie NO WAY the grid can handle. Brownouts happen. We get told to NOT use electric on hot days. And we get a LOT of hot days.
5. Nights can be HOT. I know it can be "off-peak" but in the summer, that when the AC runs so people can sleep. During the day they might be at work. Our biggest electric bills are NOT in the summer, but in the winter when it's cold. However, the electric company gets HUGE electric draws in the summer because of AC.

 

Imagine telling ICE owners to install a gas tank, and refill, at home.

 

Well that’s exactly what a lot of home do else where in the world where their are heated by heating oil, we have a tank and a tanker calls occasionally to refill it. But in the case of your car this isn’t the same thing as having a charging unit, for a start every home has a regular supply of electricity and all the charging unit is doing is tapping into that in just the same way as your toaster, TV or Air Con unit.

 

@grim, I cannot disagree with a single point you made. I was just sharing my experience that may be relevant to the audience of this forum, which are current ICE Macan owners, who might be considering Macan EV.

Money: No one can possibly be thinking this will going to be cheap. Current Macan owners know too well about increasing cost on new models, services, insurance. I took a second job so I can order a no compromise build knowing at the time this will be a 12+ months wait and I will keep it a long time. MY2023 was the first year that missed on $7,500 government incentive and by delivery time interest rates ended up to be the highest in a long time. The biggest impact to your point is Depreciation of EVs, which is brutal, but this only matters if someone trades or sells. The Repair is also a big factor after warranty, but owning any Porsche without warranty is a big risk either way.

Infrastructure: This is by far the second biggest factor in wider adoption and disappointment from many owners that thought they would just get by with public charging. Home charging is key and have to be affordable to your point. Mine was $400 for install since my copper wire just went behind the wall from panel to the charger $400 for the Charger.

Convenience: I can see people forget to plug in, however, I consider this part the most convenient, including climate preconditioning before going out. Plug in and go to sleep. I do not have to be in the open weather and inhale the fumes with more motions needed for the pump than the charging cable, with charging totally controlled via apps. My cost for charging at home is flat at 13.74 cent a kWh. My calculations show that this about 4x times cheaper than fueling our Macan GTS to cover the same miles. Taycan comes with 3 years of free fast EA charging that I would only use if venturing out of town. However, if I need to pay for charging at EVGo for example, the cost at current 52 cent a kWh plus 99 cent session fee is higher than premium gas for Macan with matching for gas expense being 50 cent a kWh.

What is priceless is the Taycan driving experience, which will not be the case with other EVs.
Taycan was voted #1 EV for driving in the UK just now. They know their EVs @Footie

 

I can tell you why I won't be getting an EV:

Cost - They are a lot more expensive in the US than an ICE vehicle. The average price of an EV is $65K US and the The national average to install an EV charging station in the US is $2,500. It is almost $1,000 more than that in California.

Selection - There are few decent EV cars sold here.

Tax Credits - With the new rules almost none of the cars sold in North America qualify for a tax credit. The new rules are as such: Eligible cars must be assembled in North America and cannot contain battery components manufactured or assembled by "foreign entities of concern,” including China. In 2024 fewer vehicles are now eligible for federal tax credits, and even fewer are eligible for the maximum $7,500 credit. So for the average buyer who can afford an EV there will not be any tax credits. They also lowered the income limits on who can get the TC. So as the price of the cars go up it requires more income to buy one and if your income is high enough you can afford one, you don't get a tax credit.

Insurance - In previous years, electric vehicles were cheaper to run in every state, however, the average insurance for an EV has increased by 58.1% from 2021 to 2023, while insurance for gas cars has only increased by 1.2% in this period.

Range - I live in California and this one state is larger than the entire UK by almost 62K square miles or 16,057,926 hectares. I can barely get out of my own state on a single charge. I also tow a trailer for my business nearly 50K miles per year and there are no EV trucks on the market that can tow a 10K lb trailer more than 90 miles at a time so I won't be able to use an EV truck for my business.

Grid - There are 14,268,528 ICE vehicles registered in California and there are about 900K EVs registered here. We have blackouts in the summer and winter and mandatory brownouts during the summer and winter as they shut off the power due to the weather. Our governor asks the state multiple times to limit power usage by NOT charging EVs and he wants to mandate that there be no new ICE cars sold in the state in 2035. They have also shuttered nearly every nuclear plant in the state and the state needs a total of 148K MW of energy to handle the power needs by 2045 and the state currently only operates 80 MW via 1,500 power plants. So I don't know what he thinks will happen if we even increase the number of EVs by a slight margin.

 

Can someone tell me why it’s $2500 for an EV Home charger unit when they are only around $400 on Amazon?

Are your electricians ripping you off?

Still struggling to believe anyone would be this forgetful to not plug their car in on arriving home before entering their house, it’s not like you need do this at a set time the app does all this for you.

All governments (most) say they are committed to being carbon neutral but they don’t seem to have an answer as to how to achieve this, the thing is electricity is one thing that can be produced out of thin air, wind, sea, solar etc produce it plus nuclear. We need to get away from oil for the obvious reasons we are at the mercy of certain countries.

 

^There are certainly many ways to dupe customers unaware of what's going on, but this is nothing new in doing any house remodel. Plumbing, HVAC, Electrical companies charge insane amount to complete simple house calls.

Our 20 year old house was wired for double ovens, jet tub, and electric water heater, that we got rid of, with plenty of open slots to find 2 x 30Amp lines to create 60Amp needed output for the Emporia EVSE (charger) that goes on sale for $299 at times and rated best. Our trusted electrician did this in under an hour and biggest expense was about a foot of copper wire from the electrical panel to the charger. The 25ft charging cable can reach 2 cars easily parked in the garage. 60Amps downs to 48Amp by code and car gets its maximum 11kW charging that takes about 6 hours to go from 15% to 85% recommended of controlled easy on the battery charging. However, slower is better on the battery so via app I can bump that down to 40Amp, 32Amp, etc. and charge in 8 or 10 hours since the car controls the charging process that is best for it, and not just guns for it at maximum speed.

 

Check with Porsche but according to Porsche UK and BWM UK as long as you aren’t charging higher than 11Kw/h you can always charge to 100%, the figure of 80-85% only refers to fast charging stations.