[ericsan13]

This is relevant and you have a point there are Macan logo buyers. But WHY?

Porsche uses 5 Psychographic profiles (not demographics) profiling "why" people buy stuff. One is the Top Gun. They crave power and want to be seen. I'm sure everyone has seen these, they park their car RIGHT in front of the restaurant so everyone can see what they are driving. But why? Racing. They want to be associated with the brand. Buy a Porsche, win races.

I suspect Hermes buyers also have this same profile, I mean who wouldn't want to own a bag and be just like a Princess? How many celebrities are used to advertise goods? That kind of advertising works because people have fantasies of being just like a celebrity. Who doesn't want to be a football star or the Princess of Monaco? But what is Herme's heritage, certainly not racing?

They started as a bridle maker for European nobles. I'm sure all those rich people wouldn't be buying junk. The motor car came about and the grandson visited America, met Henry Ford, and discovered a new fangled device called the "zipper". In 1922, they knew the Horse business was over and instead of making saddle bags, made luggage and handbags. He was taking his wife by motor car across Europe and made her a new handbag, used that new fangled Zipper, shaped it as a trapezoid with a rounded top, and it fit easily into the motorcar boot. And handbag legends began, they called it the Comet, the nickname for a "sports" car then renamed it Bolide. Look at the other bags, some look like saddlebags. Why? Heritage. It all began with quality goods for Nobles.

It always goes back to "why" are their logo buyers? And it is heritage. They wanna be just like .... whoever. One is Racing, the other is quality goods bought buy the elite, the upper class European nobles. Prince Edward saw that zipper and wanted one on his leather coat. Imagine that.

Now there are other Porsche profiles. One is the Proud Patron. This is the guy who has the poster on the wall, dreams of owning one one day, finally "make it", and buys that dream. But why? Racing. It isn't because he wants an engine in the wrong place and had a tendency to kiss the wall. Similarly, why would woman want a handbag that looks like a saddlebag?

Is there any breakdown of the 5 psychographic profiles? I wonder which one is most common.

I guess it seems a little silly with the Macan because these things aren't in professional races nor are there many folks putting these on tracks. Just another street car to me. A very nice one though.

 

[grim]

Is there any breakdown of the 5 psychographic profiles? I wonder which one is most common.

I guess it seems a little silly with the Macan because these things aren't in professional races nor are there many folks putting these on tracks. Just another street car to me. A very nice one though.

Yes, from the study on the 911. I doubt they numbers are the same for the macan. Notice the Top Gun is the highest, while the fantasy, the guy who don't care what other think is the lowest.

Like I said before, for this forum, buyers came from three places: previous owners buying a second car, buyers from sports sedans, and buyers moving up the marque food chain (e.g., Acura/Lexus to Porsche). The sports sedan buyers know full well the racing heritage. The Acura owners, probably not.

 

[grim]

Is the cybersecurity issue that affects the ICE Macan and the reason it’s been dropped by the EU market have anything to do with vehicle theft?

A serious question that I hope isn’t the case because if it does then that would be concerning because the Range Rover is very much a hot potato among insurance companies at the moment especially in the UK.

It doesn't "affect" the ICE Macan. They are just using old technology. The other models have a more modern one. There is no good ROI to go back and fix the old platform when the a new generation has been built (unless they see profit from NA sales). I did see a list of cars "affecting and cancelled" and that included the R8. Range Rover could have been on the list. Google it.

A lot of this is the "connected car". The car calls home. The car KNOWS where it is. Creepy huh? You got Connect? The alarm sounds, goes off controlled via Vodaphone, and the LEOs track down the thieves. This is about the EU Reg

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide-digital-identity-and-security/iot/magazine/single-automotive-cyber-security-standard-last

I don't see this as a bad thing, its a good thing. The Macan is just OLD, very old in car years.

 

[slw23]

There’s the tell. Its about how the car makes you feel, do you want to drive it because it makes you feel good vs you drive it because its a “tool“ to get a job done, you have to use the tool.

Appliance buyers view vehicles as a means to an end, no different than a mechanics tool or their dishwasher. The tool can be expensive like snap-on or cheap bought at a box store. Those with passion for their vehicles view them much differently.

See these people? Passionate, likely not appliances to them

https://www.macanforum.com/threads/how-many-times-a-day-do-you-visit-your-garage.189868/

Appliance buyers dont drive just to feel good driving nor do they visit their cars, wherever they are parked. Non-appliance buyers view things far differently. Read some of those answers … passion.

Do you visit the kitchen to admire your dishwasher?

I think you are generalizing way too much here. Most of my EV driving friends/family have Teslas and they swear by them. None are the Musk fanboy types, but they love their Teslas and the tech they provide. They also love NOT going to the gas station. Do they look back and admire their Teslas? No clue. Just because I think Teslas are boring, it doesn't mean other people do. Would I turn and look back at an "appliance" like a Taycan or Audi e-tron GT? 100%, both are beautiful cars IMO.

On the flip side, I would also argue that 90% of the Macan owners out there are NOT enthusiasts and do not have the passion for their vehicle as you describe. The < 1-2% of owners on this or others forums don't count. We are the outliers. And even then, you still read some on here saying the Macan isn't that much better a Lexus F sport, Rivian, or what have you, and want their Macan EV faster than anything else on the road for them to consider it.

It's clear that are some very old school trains on thought on EVs, anti-legislation, or whatever the case and that is their biggest push back on EVs as a whole. The Macan EV ends up being in the crosshair, along with any other EV out there.

It is too bad there won't be another ICE Macan considering it's been Porsche's best selling vehicle since its introduction. It's also hard to see that continuing given the price and EV only option.

 

[grim]

We are the outliers.

Agree, I always say don't go by whatever is said in this forum. This isn't the mainstream Macan buyers. They don't even know forums exist. This is an enthusiasts forum. Completely agree. I mean who goes into their garage just to admire and visit they car? Apparently a lot do, we have a thread on it. Thats even beyond what I would do.

 

[yrralis1]

Instant acceleration isn’t a juvenile perk of EVs it’s a by-produce of electrical motors plain and simple. BTW not a fan of the X3M, had one out when my M5 was in for a service and fast is all it had going for it but quick it most definitely was.

Don’t agree that all BMWs aren’t the match of a Porsche, I would always pick my F90 M5 Comp over a Paramera and both the M3/4 are the finest examples currently in this caterogy.



Read my post above about the Cayenne and the X5M, similar situation to the X3M. Speed isn’t the reason you buy any car or at least not my reason but it most definitely is the reason why some are buying the Tesla Plaids.

The Macan GTS doesn’t feel the same as any other Macan and if any of you have driven the Taycan in any form will also know that the Taycan GTS feels different to all the others. Neither the Macan 4 or Turbo will be the sweet spot if you desire a sportier edge even from an EV but according to what I was told when specced my Turbo with the dealer that there’s two models coming in between the 4 and Turbo and one will be the GTS.

Again no one is forcing anyone to buy one but it might be worthwhile taking a drive when that GTS version arrives.

Hearing the word “sporty” and EV in the same sentence is comical. Granted, Porsche he’s trying to copy the lineage of the ice cars into the electric vehicles. Heck, they retained the nomenclature. We all know there isn’t a turbo in the electric “ turbo”.

It’s the people who want the ice vehicles that the ones who are being forced. It’s not the other way around. Bye, “forced“ I mean in Europe. This is not happening in the United States at this time, and therefore, it feels even more intrusive that anyone would expect a person in another country, to follow the legislation of a different country.

 

[yrralis1]

This is against the cheaper Model Y Long Range, not the Performance version. =/ I am sure we will see some real drag races on youtube soon enough though.

I get it. We can even add the performance version for $2000 to the normal car. Then again, a person can modify a Macan. He authorized other SUVs in Porsche to be able to choose from like a chain turbo at the time of that video,

Porsche is always going to come back and beat the competitor. They will allow a loss for as long as up to two years only to come back every time and win.

Tesla had a loosening of rules and restrictions with their cars. Porsche had a tightening of rules and restrictions with their ice cars. Even with a handicap, the Porsche can still hold its own. Imagine if they were having the wind in their face when it comes to building them.

 

[Footie]

Hearing the word “sporty” and EV in the same sentence is comical. Granted, Porsche he’s trying to copy the lineage of the ice cars into the electric vehicles. Heck, they retained the nomenclature. We all know there isn’t a turbo in the electric “ turbo”.

It’s the people who want the ice vehicles that the ones who are being forced. It’s not the other way around. Bye, “forced“ I mean in Europe. This is not happening in the United States at this time, and therefore, it feels even more intrusive that anyone would expect a person in another country, to follow the legislation of a different country.

Why isn’t it sporty, the Taycan is a quick great handling car by anyone’s standards. Its lap time around the Ring is on par with any other non EV of similar body type and size. BTW go try the Taycan GTS before dismissing it as something that isn’t sporty. Also calling it Turbo is silly I grant you that but it is what it is and in a way it’s easier to identify which are the quicker models.

Cars and vans produced after 2035 have to be Carbon neutral, technically synthetic fuelled cars are Carbon neutral because it takes the carbon out of the atmosphere and returns it through its emissions, is that what the EU had demanded? Well we will have to see come that time but in any case it will allow your dirt cars as they will be called by then to be used without a penalty.

So what will be changing is the stuff you put into the car rather than the car itself. But of course there will be Electric cars and probably Hydrogen cars by then too.

I have said numerous times no one should be forced to change it should happen willingly in due course and ultimately the infrastructure will determine when that will likely happen.

 

[sergeyb]

Hearing the word “sporty” and EV in the same sentence is comical. Granted, Porsche he’s trying to copy the lineage of the ice cars into the electric vehicles. Heck, they retained the nomenclature. We all know there isn’t a turbo in the electric “ turbo”.

It’s the people who want the ice vehicles that the ones who are being forced. It’s not the other way around. Bye, “forced“ I mean in Europe. This is not happening in the United States at this time, and therefore, it feels even more intrusive that anyone would expect a person in another country, to follow the legislation of a different country.

Porsche says this about what Taycan is in the world of sports cars.

 

[yrralis1]

Porsche says this about what Taycan is in the world of sports cars.

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Cat is to a lion as poodle is to a wolf . Both are animals but they are different species .
EV is not ICE , can't ever be ICE , and has to be compared in its own venue .

Its a venue born out of legislation much like an affair is a relationship born out of a lie and deception , It is where cars began but rather where politicians wanted them to be . Politicians are not drivers .
The foundation is thus compromised .

It can never be a success . It can only be accepted and adapted too . The day that some automaker comes up with an alternative fuel EV will become fried eggs .

 

[yrralis1]

Porsche says this about what Taycan is in the world of sports cars.

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The 911 is a one of a kind rear engine vehicle . This thing is merely a dual axle gizmo .Its heartbreaking to see them in the same sentence . A Taycan needs 70 years or so of proving grounds to have the bragging rights . High voltage: Porsche electric motors explained

 

[yrralis1]

I have 2 ICE cars and one EV, plus I have just ordered another ICE car. I am not trying to force anyone to buy an EV, all I am saying is that we all have a free choice. Nobody made me buy the Taycan, I chose to buy it and if it doesn't work for me, then I still have other cars.
As you've said, whatever suits YOUR needs best.

I am pro choice !! Taking away ICE is not choice anymore .
If Porsche were to make an entire line if EV while at the same time pursue further development of ICE then I would be thrilled .
Thats not where they are headed .

 

[Footie]

The 911 is a one of a kind rear engine vehicle .

One of a kind. 🤔

See my point and there are many more.

 

[yrralis1]

One of a kind. 🤔

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See my point and there are many more.

The others are not sports cars. You used the term “sporty”.

 

[Footie]

The others are not sports cars. You used the term “sporty”.

You don’t in yours, you said and I quote “The 911 is a one of a kind rear engine vehicle” which was why I questioned your comment.

You are claiming that an EV can’t be sporty and it seems to be a referral to it not having an engine. All an engine does is produce power that is the transferred to the wheels, an EV is doing the same thing, of course weight is a lot more because of the batteries so how each behave will be different but that does not mean it can’t be sporty and in any case who gets to determine what is classed as sporty, is it you, is it me or is it up to each in the form of an opinion. 👍

 

[yrralis1]

You don’t in yours, you said and I quote “The 911 is a one of a kind rear engine vehicle” which was why I questioned your comment.

You are claiming that an EV can’t be sporty and it seems to be a referral to it not having an engine. All an engine does is produce power that is the transferred to the wheels, an EV is doing the same thing, of course weight is a lot more because of the batteries so how each behave will be different but that does not mean it can’t be sporty and in any case who gets to determine what is classed as sporty, is it you, is it me or is it up to each in the form of an opinion. 👍

It’s your money. Do as you wish. I see electric vehicles going in one of two directions. If they fail, they will become obsolete. If they succeed it will graduate to self driving cars . at that point people won’t have to buy cars. They’ll just throw a bunch of taxes to fund the infrastructure to satisfy their vision. They’ll pave everything over painted all gray and then pressure clean it dry..

Driving as we know it will cease. It will take time and by then I probably won’t be alive to see it. Climate. Kid will though .

 

[Footie]

It’s your money. Do as you wish. I see electric vehicles going in one of two directions. If they fail, they will become obsolete. If they succeed it will graduate to self driving cars . at that point people won’t have to buy cars. They’ll just throw a bunch of taxes to fund the infrastructure to satisfy their vision. They’ll pave everything over painted all gray and then pressure clean it dry..

Driving as we know it will cease. It will take time and by then I probably won’t be alive to see it. Climate. Kid will though .

Actually, it’s our money to do with what we please. I personally don’t have a problem with anyone not wanting to buy an EV and I completely get why some might not want one so why should anyone have a problem with somebody choosing to get one either.

The whole self driving thing is a completely different subject imo but again I think for some people it will open them up to a whole new world of independence who for whatever reason can’t drive that currently have to rely on others. But I think this is a bit further away than people think.

 

[yrralis1]

Actually, it’s our money to do with what we please. I personally don’t have a problem with anyone not wanting to buy an EV and I completely get why some might not want one so why should anyone have a problem with somebody choosing to get one either.

The whole self driving thing is a completely different subject imo but again I think for some people it will open them up to a whole new world of independence who for whatever reason can’t drive that currently have to rely on others. But I think this is a bit further away than people think.

It takes EV to make self driving fly . The average person spends an annual income to sink in debt into a 7 year loan . They will jump at the idea of no cars because they dont enjoy driving and hate expense . Less accidents will become a talking point. Every ride will be tracked . Lower crime will, become a talking point.

It hinges on one word .. Choice . No ice = choice is abandoned .

EU is already there . USA has just one small faction and a lot of junk science but no changes .

130K for a Porsche EV ? No thanks .
You guys lost the choice .

Your ICE Macan days are over .

 

[grim]

The day that some automaker comes up with an alternative fuel EV will become fried eggs .

🥯 😆 Great line

 

[AVM]

Actually, it’s our money to do with what we please. I personally don’t have a problem with anyone not wanting to buy an EV and I completely get why some might not want one so why should anyone have a problem with somebody choosing to get one either.