[ericsan13]

Public now compares Macan EV with other manufacturer EV SUV like Hyundai Ionic 5N or some Chinese brand, whereas ICE Porsche positioned just another level of vehicle. Price was justified, superiority was granted. It is not, won't happen with EV vehicle. Sad.

This was my point too. EV owners will laugh when less expensive Hyundais, Kias, Model Ys and Rivians are meeting or beating Macan Turbos at the stoplight. Sure they won't handle around a track or be as luxurious but is the Porsche consumer willing to pay twice the price for that level of performance? Questionable.

 

[AVM]

Ten years ago the people coming here were either people like us, coming from the sports cars, some previous other marque sports sedan buyers, and some moving up the marque food chain within the SUV world that could get a Porsche SUV. About all were car enthusiasts. I know people dont like to hear it but I think an appliance does not appeal to the car enthusiasts . . .

I am not sure I am a car enthusiast, as my make and model preferences are quite limited at this point.

I am definitely a driving enthusiast, but my journey BACK to a Macan is . . .

1. Limited to the ICE GTS that required a few mods to position it in MY sweet spot.

2. A testament to just how good of a daily driver the ICE Macan is when it comes to ticking performance, convenience, and practicality boxes.

Focusing on PERFORMANCE, there is nothing like a Porsche sport car, but the common roadway limitations grew increasingly infuriating . . . daily driving bridled racehorses was enough to drive me back to the Macan.

The ///M cars also fall in MY sweet spot and my CADS already has me focused on the G87 C, CS or CSL when released . . . whichever has X-Drive.

EVs do not tick performance, convenience, or practicality boxes . . . and those are the least of the reasons why I have absolutely zero interest in EVs, including the Macan EV.

1. EVs are an environmental catastrophe.

2. The most important reasons will go unspoken on this forum . . . I will just go along with the accepted party line by stating ‘legislators.’

AVM

P.S. The Macan is absolutely a disposable appliance, like 99% of cars out on the roadways. I have made this comment more than a few times on other P forums and Bimmerpost over the years and you would think I had stabbed other forum members in the heart.

 

[grim]

This was my point too. EV owners will laugh when less expensive Hyundais, Kias, Model Ys and Rivians are meeting or beating Macan Turbos at the stoplight. Sure they won't handle around a track or be as luxurious but is the Porsche consumer willing to pay twice the price for that level of performance? Questionable.

I think thats the part you miss.

A C7 Z06 is faster around the Ring than a 992 Turbo S for maybe half the price or so, by the EXACT same driver.

But it will always be a Chevy. Yes, people pay twice the price for less performance. Strange huh? The same is true for the cheaper cars too at the Boxster/Cayman level. Chevy vs Porsche The former much cheaper and faster, which one to buy?

THEY dont care now. If you want the fastest car, dont buy a Porsche. Buy the Chevy.

 

[yrralis1]

This was my point too. EV owners will laugh when less expensive Hyundais, Kias, Model Ys and Rivians are meeting or beating Macan Turbos at the stoplight. Sure they won't handle around a track or be as luxurious but is the Porsche consumer willing to pay twice the price for that level of performance? Questionable.

Electric vehicles Have that massive torque and the companies have been given no limits despite many of the cars being unsafe to handle it. It was all a ploy to get the attention of the younger Street racer crowd, as well as the middle-aged non-drivers who want to tout some level of ability. They boast that their model Y can beat the Corvette when it’s only one event .Since the electric vehicles are limited at top speed eventually any of those cars would catch it and pass it. Back in the days of cross country driving events. It was very common for a boxster to pass an M5, and such as the case and current times with electric cars.

 

[ericsan13]

I think thats the part you miss.

A C7 Z06 is faster around the Ring than a 992 Turbo S for maybe half the price or so, by the EXACT same driver.

But it will always be a Chevy. Yes, people pay twice the price for less performance. Strange huh? The same is true for the cheaper cars too at the Boxster/Cayman level. Chevy vs Porsche The former much cheaper and faster, which one to buy?

THEY dont care now. If you want the fastest car, dont buy a Porsche. Buy the Chevy.

Totally get it but my point is that they could have put in bigger, faster motors than be ridiculed/taunted by your Chevy owner. I am trying to nail down what is the secret sauce behind their pricing if it's not performance. Brand name? Loyalists?

 

[yrralis1]

I think thats the part you miss.

A C7 Z06 is faster around the Ring than a 992 Turbo S for maybe half the price or so, by the EXACT same driver.

But it will always be a Chevy. Yes, people pay twice the price for less performance. Strange huh? The same is true for the cheaper cars too at the Boxster/Cayman level. Chevy vs Porsche The former much cheaper and faster, which one to buy?

THEY dont care now. If you want the fastest car, dont buy a Porsche. Buy the Chevy.

Exactly !!! Porsche has always been the benchmark . They allow the other car to beat it only to come back 2 years later and smash it . A long list of cars tested the Porsche perch only to think they held it only to lose. Even in the EV world the recent Taycan whooping over the Plaid laid any doubts to rest .

 

[ericsan13]

Exactly !!! Porsche has always been the benchmark . They allow the other car to beat it only to come back 2 years later and smash it . A long list of cars tested the Porsche perch only to think they held it only to lose. Even in the EV world the recent Taycan whooping over the Plaid laid any doubts to rest .

Starting to get off topic, but is it racing pedigree and bragging rights we're buying? Even if Macan is a mostly utility pedestrian car? Appliance?

Genuinely want to understand beyond my wife's opinion of "just brand name".

 

[///Bruce]

China calls vehicles Transportation Appliances….

 

[Footie]

Totally get it but my point is that they could have put in bigger, faster motors than be ridiculed/taunted by your Chevy owner. I am trying to nail down what is the secret sauce behind their pricing if it's not performance. Brand name? Loyalists?

The secret sauce is how they feel through the wheel and the seat of your pants, this goes for all Porsches whether they are a sports car or an SUV or even an EV, few get close to offering their level of involvement, refinement and usability. This is what separates them and gains them loyalty.

 

[yrralis1]

Starting to get off topic, but is it racing pedigree and bragging rights we're buying? Even if Macan is a mostly utility pedestrian car? Appliance?

Genuinely want to understand beyond my wife's opinion of "just brand name".

A stoplight race is not really a race but it boosts sales and EV has made. a name at it . It doesn't matter that the brakes suck and the car is flimsy in a Tesla . Its fast for. a brief sprint.
I realize "its just an SUV" might be the draw for many of the recent Macan buyers (particularly after they built the base car) however behind every Porsche badge is a history of racing . Even if its "just to go to the mall shopping " it's a Porsche !!!

 

[meerec]

Sooner or later there will be a breakthrough in chemistry and the early adopters will be crying, more or less.

What is to cry about? Only if you are following the latest trends and must upgrade the last year’s iPhone to this year’s iPhone. And why?

The Macan EV range and battery technology is advanced already enough to keep it for 8 years at least. It is so good it’s good enough for that. No crying is needed or expected.

 

[meerec]

Thats a false equivalence, not remotely the same. Lithium button batteries, iPhone batteries, and the like are dirt cheap, cheap, and consumable. I hardly think anyone thinks the battery pack in an EV is cheap and disposable. Take an iPad into an Apple store and see if they will replace the battery. Good luck with that. Nope, just buy a new iPad.

Macan EV battery pack is modular unlike iPads. You can replace iPad and trash the one that failed its battery. With the Macan EV architecture, you can relatively easily replace individual modules in the battery pack fast.

 

[AVM]

The secret sauce is how they feel through the wheel and the seat of your pants, this goes for all Porsches whether they are a sports car or an SUV or even an EV, few get close to offering their level of involvement, refinement and usability. This is what separates them and gains them loyalty.

For the sake of argument . . .

If tomorrow the only choice I had for a transportation appliance were EVs . . . the Macan EV would not even be a consideration

At that point there would be nothing left for me except simply getting from point A to point B . . . Porsche has no secret sauce in the EV world to back up their premium pricing

AVM

 

[meerec]

Electric vehicles Have that massive torque and the companies have been given no limits despite many of the cars being unsafe to handle it. It was all a ploy to get the attention of the younger Street racer crowd, as well as the middle-aged non-drivers who want to tout some level of ability. They boast that their model Y can beat the Corvette when it’s only one event .Since the electric vehicles are limited at top speed eventually any of those cars would catch it and pass it. Back in the days of cross country driving events. It was very common for a boxster to pass an M5, and such as the case and current times with electric cars.

Honestly, who cares? People, grow up.

 

[grim]

Starting to get off topic, but is it racing pedigree and bragging rights we're buying? Even if Macan is a mostly utility pedestrian car? Appliance?

Genuinely want to understand beyond my wife's opinion of "just brand name".

Its not OT because the topic is disappointment and the racing heritage is the very reason the brand survived, you raced on Sunday and sold on Monday. Of course Chevy races too. And today I think in GT3 and win some too. But I dont think Chevy runs with the big boys, LMP1 or whatever FIA calls it now. Ford did and beat Ferrari three times before hanging it up it up. they made their point. Then Porsche dominated.

The 918, a hybrid, came from the 919 of Le Mans fame. Ferrari sold cars to race. Porsche built sports car you could drive home, then race on the weekend.

Your wifes brand name is not a logo about luxury. Its not a Louis Vuitton or Chanel bag with a name associated with luxury and high prices. Rather, its a legend from racing. The number 2 auto that won the most races is … the 911. You are buying into a legendary company that wins auto racing from rallies to endurance championships. They sell 4 door cars to allow them to build the 911. It took a long time for many to accept that but SUVs replaced minivans.

Every ad you see, for all Porsches talks about one thing, 911 DNA. Macan press release

https://presskit.porsche.de/models/en/porsche-macan/topic/design-and-equipment.html

The DNA of the sports car icon 911

 

[yrralis1]

Honestly, who cares? People, grow up.

Do we really? Many of us had posters on the wall as little children of the Porsche. Growing up buying the car that we had dreamed of. Porsche makes a lot of advertisements which focus on remembering those portions of one’s childhood. It’s a common thread among many Porsche owners. .

This is not the only commercial of this type. It sells because people who buy the car relate to it.

Ok one more .. but there're even. more like this .

 

[grim]

Macan EV battery pack is modular unlike iPads. You can replace iPad and trash the one that failed its battery. With the Macan EV architecture, you can relatively easily replace individual modules in the battery pack fast.

I know the US and Aussie dollars are not at par, so you got to do the math, its about $1.54 Aussie? You know what has been about the biggest shocker for people here the last decade, those not coming from the marque? Maintenance cost. Countless posts on “stealerships”, $4 - $5K routine major service, $18 - $22K for PDK. You know how much a LED headlight cost Installed? $4K.

You are going to replace an early gen lithium module with a second gen solid state module? The tech doesnt exist and what would be the Porsche tax on that?

How much is the Porsche tax when buying a Porsche branded CTEK vs a real CTEK?
How much is the Porsche tax when buying a Porsche branded washer fluid thats Nextzett?

In theory it sounds reasonable. In practice, if history serves, bring a big checkbook, really big, huge, massive. Porsche is never cheap to maintain. How many people here say they will never own one out of warranty?

If you think that because there are less moving parts thats going to save money, the money is in the labor and much of the car is identical. Headlights are headlights. PCM is PCM Leather is leather, etc.

 

[EdenDPT]

There are less then 30 moving parts in EV engine. ICE engine has over 2000 moving parts. EV makers make EV engine like exotic car engine to impress youngsters and car enthusiasts? ****, no. They make EV engine that much high spec because physics around EV engine does not require even fraction of R&D or cost comparing to ICE engine. They make it high spec because they just simply can. There is no need passion, no need research, no need devotion to make your EV faster and more fun then the other. That’s what Porsche fanboys will loose, and Porsche brand will loose in this stupid car market. What can you find Macan EV is better than one with Korean car maker except it is Porsche? So pathetic.

 

[grim]

Honestly, who cares? People, grow up.

Anyone who followed endurance racing or raced their own Porsche whether in autocross or maybe SCAA or club car racing, You are making the argument the Macan EV is an appliance

There is nothing wrong with appliances, I got two coffee makers right now. They do the job they are built for, ….

But nobody put a poster of a coffee maker on their wall as a kid and dreamt of owning one.

 

[EdenDPT]

For the sake of argument . . .

If tomorrow the only choice I had for a transportation appliance were EVs . . . the Macan EV would not even be a consideration

At that point there would be nothing left for me except simply getting from point A to point B . . . Porsche has no secret sauce in the EV world to back up their premium pricing

AVM

Worst decision ever for Macan EV what Porsche did is getting rid of 2nd gear transmission. It was unique to Porsche, developmental superiority when introducing Tycan. They just ADMITTED it is fail. Geez…