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I mentioned appliances and believe an EV Macan is a true appliance, which to an enthusiast is not a good thing. Here is how you know if you drive an appliance. The more boxes you tick, the more its an appliance, imo of course.

When you get into the car do you turn on the radio, actually listen to it? Then you drive an appliance. Cars that are not appliances are cars you drive to DRIVE, to hear the engine, which is the "music".

Do you just turn the car off, not care so much how dirty it is? You take it to a car wash when someone asks you why its so dirty? If so, you drive an appliance. Care that are not appliances you detail religiously or take to a detailer. Any dirt on it, you get out the quick detailer and wipe off, especially bird poop and sap.

When you get out of your car and park it, do you wistfully look back at for one last glance? NO? Then you have an appliance. Those that do not view their cars as appliances take a quick look back, or some even VISIT their garage.

When its time to trade the car do you do some quick math, figure out the monthly payment, and just dump it? If so, you own an appliance. Otherwise, you fret about how much you will miss it, how much it mattered to you.

Are you an ideologue, who buys things based on the zeitgeist? Go with the crowd or fashion? Do you make purchases based on what the world thinks or what YOU think. If you do, you are probably buying an appliance and not something you cherish.

When you drive from A to B, are you in a rush to get there and forget the entire drive? Then you are driving an appliance.

Do you ever take your car out for spin, JUST TO DRIVE? Rarely? Then you are driving an appliance.

My latest dishwasher ticks all these boxes, and I mean dishwasher.
  • I don't want to hear it
  • It cleans itself
  • I NEVER want to look at it
  • I don't care about the price and do the math to get the new one never wanting to keep the old one
  • I DID do the research to find out which one was "best" and not which one I would care about
  • I AM in a rush to finish its work
  • And I don't gush or fuss over it. Just wash the dishes and be done, in the background, and never think about it.
 
Yes, city driving under 30mph is optimal for EV range. Unfortunately, that’s not what most auto enthusiasts are looking for, at least in the U.S.
Most ICE drivers make that mistake that all EVs are driven by ECO warriors, wouldn’t be the first time I’ve embraced an M3 or RS4. 😂

BTW I changed nothing about my driving style between owning my M5 Competition and the i4M50, I think most anti-EV people believe what you just posted and the reality is completely different.
 
Showing off on the street is not the same thing as hearing the intoxicating sound. All the driver is fully engaged. There are young people who do crazy things on the street.

I have two 911s as well as a Macan GTS. The sound of each car is unique and special. One of my 911 is a manual while the other is a PDK I feel I’m getting the best of both worlds with driver engagement. I would miss this very much not because of some foolishness that can be done on the street but rather because it’s an Integral part of what I look for in driving.
I use to feel the same way when younger so I do get where you are coming from, I have just had so many cars through the years that I look for different things from my cars now. I still like a nice car and I still desire quick acceleration for overtaking but the whole noise is something that no longer excites me. Likewise the amount of years I drove manuals, we were the opposite to America, there an auto was normal and a manual was a rarity here it was the other way round.
 
Look at your target audience on this site lol. People who love sports cars but need more room so they buy the next best thing a sporty SUV/CUV buy because they need it but because they want it. What we love is being taken away for something we do not want. If you think people on here are not going to go down kicking and screaming you are sadly mistaken.
I totally get it....the clue is in the name. This is a Porsche Macan owners forum. What I don't understand is the people who don't even own a Macan arguing the EV corner on here. Why is someone who doesn't own a Macan getting all excited on a Macan forum ???
 
Why do I feel like EV’s are being jammed down our throats? I can tell you one thing I get turned off immediately and am strongly opposed to convert something I am forced to do. As a former sales person there is one thing I know when a customer buys something they want it to be their idea to buy it not someone else’s. If somebody is forced to do something they will fight it as long as they can before they are forced to give in. I feel this is the attitude of most of the Macan ice owners. Personally I hope this EV thing falls flat on its face.
Because it is being forced upon you. And that's all I'll say so as to avoid getting into restricted conversational areas.
 
🙋‍♂️ Please take this the right way. I'm doing my best to answer your question on why noise matters.

Before I could drive, or knew anything about cars, I got a ride from an older guys muscle car. The ground shook, WHILE IDLING. At 16, I could go to the drags to watch. The best time was at night. You rushed to the rails where you could FEEL the earth shake and watch the flames shooting from the open headers. When I got older, that phase passed and I went to a US F1 Grand Prix. 🤯I thought those old Muscle cars were loud? :LOL: There is NOTHING like the sound of a F1 car in full song. You can't listen to it on a TV, the speakers NEVER do it justice. Its something you have to listen to live, at the rail. They just SCREAMED.

What does it matter?

If you read through this forum, you will find people who buy the PSE going back to 2014. I asked myself, why? Back in the day, a free flowing exhaust added HP, hence open headers, glass packs, etc. With turbos, that's not clear. AFAIK, the need some back pressure. I doubt you can find any Porsche literature telling you PSE adds a single HP. And yet ... I bet the majority get it standard or buy it as option. Why? Why would ANYONE drop several thousands of dollars on an options that adds NO HP? So curious. And that is across the other pcar models too. Could it be THEY WANT IT LOUD?

Read the mods section. Why do people throw away a perfectly good PSE to buy aftermarket exhausts? How does that make sense? Could it be ... to make it LOUDER?

Why do so many here "LOVE" :love: the startup sound of a cold Macan V6 and wish it would sound like that all the time:unsure:

Why does Porsche consider sound so important? Yes Porsche. Read


The short version is that the design team made SURE the 911 sounded good, coming off the 997.

"For four long years an engineering team ... head of ... acoustics in Weissach, has researched, perfected and tweaked to make the new Porsche Carrera an auditory treat. Because when exacting Porsche drivers turn up the loud pedal, they expect special Porsche music ..."

This is when the introduced the sound symposer to allow intake noises into the cabin and then followed up introducing it into the Boxster/Cayman GTS cars. They spend FOUR YEARS in the design stage to make sure the car "sounded good?" WHY? "Sound is especially important in sports cars since they should be giving us entertainment" Some call the Macans the "sportscar" of SUVs.

About very time I've taken my NA 911 out, it went to the redline. The radio is never on, because the "entertainment" is the sound. there is NOTHING like the wail of a NA flat 6.

I'll leave this with a quote from one of our members from eight years ago. I've never read anything written better than this way so he gets the credit . Its about "emotion".



Guess what an option is for the EV Macan? Yup, a butt cheek massager. Includes five different massages for a mere $1300.

I recently bought a new dishwasher. Older ones were pretty noisy. That could be annoying in a house. It had like three options at best? The new one is so quiet, they had to put a light shining to the floor to let you know its on so you don't accidentally open it and has so many options, the bury them all in an app.

I'm not touching the shifting thing. If you can't understand the feeling of rowing your own gears on the twisties. Then there is no discussion to be had. Call me a luddite, I'm good with that. ;)

Some call EVs smartphones on wheels. I view SUVs as appliances. Making them electric makes its worse. I EXPECT my appliances to be quiet. I EXPECT my appliances to not provide a THRILL. I'm good with that because they serve a purpose. That is their job, to perform their function and the quieter and most unobtrusively as possible. Make a rocket ship, send it to Mars. Be silent. Sounds fine to me. So I'm good with what their purpose in life is. But they will never have soul.

This video shows sound and rowing the gears. SOUND UP. Try to watch on a home theater system, not a computer, certainly not a mobile device, and still it will NEVER be the same as listening to a V12 Ferrari, never. Its something one either gets or not. There are no right or wrong answers.

LOL there’s nothing like the sound of an F1 at full throttle, it depends just how close you are to one. Having been there and it’s actually not very pleasant without ear defenders. What’s actually even worse is a F2 which at the time I visited the pits were way louder than the F1s and it was painful.

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What's even more annoying is the Cyber Security law only banned ICE Macan in EU, it's there for years, why Porsche couldn't remediate the issue and left tens of thousands of ICE Macan vulnerable in ROW (e.g. US does not have this requirement)? What makes one think Security Vulnerability is not an on-going protection measure that won't affect Macan EV models or other Porsche lineup? What if some Security Vulnerabilities are found on new Macan EV or other Porsche lineup at the later phase (e.g. ransomware)!

Porsche should step up and address the existing Cyber Security related issues instead of banning the models with this non-sense marketing strategy!

We'd rather hear part of announcement should be something like: "While developing Macan EV, we discovered Security Vulnerability in existing electric architecture, Porsche will provide remediation plan to upgrade ICE Macan software to comply with Cyber Security requirement, and ensure Macan EV or any other Porsche lineup do not fall into the crack!"
 
Porsche Chief Financial Officer Lutz Meschke was referring to the sales ban on new cars with combustion engines in the European Union from 2035. For the sake of clarity, the ban refers to cars that generate emissions, so in theory, hydrogen-burning combustion engines or ones that run on synthetic fuels could be allowed. In March 2023, Reuters reported on the European Commission's draft to allow sales of new ICE cars after 2035 provided the vehicles run on climate neutral fuels.
Exclusive: EU drafts plan to allow e-fuel combustion engine cars

Even low speed Golf cart is looking into ICE alternative with carbon neutrality option:
 
Here's a press release in Oz RE EV by Mr Toyoda incl how our socialist/green aligned Gov is looking to milk the EV train directive.....

and here's Polstars current situation here as well.
Selling high end as if still made in Sweden but every single one is ex China made.

The silent hard working majority here have had a gutful our Govs making so much noise for the minorities.
Be it colour - the green and carbon directives, its setting people broke here.
Millenials/Gen z and x's have no bloody clue but follow.

Euro compliances have been an avil for other western countries importantly USA and to a lesser degree Australia being a much smaller population but still effected us due to our ADR's (Australian Design Rules) that was formally set up long ago whilst we had manfacturing ie Ford/GM/Toyota plants protecting the locals.

I'm very saddenned by the Macan EV, I can't bring myself to having one let alone just for local surburban use.
I have a few cars like many here at my use.
Like the US we cover alot of klm's/miles, I have no care to stop and charge whilst doing a 1,000klm trip I had done last week.
 
It's not auto maker's best interest to deal with on-going financial risk of having to recall cars with battery overheat or safety risk issues. For EV, auto makers may not disclose the full specification of battery model or brand they are using, it's an random luck!
Toyota chairman prediction of 30% EV is still far fetched!
 
You beat me to the punch . . . I had a shorter version in mind

AVM

Don't get me wrong, I love the sound of a performance car but this really reminded me of the South Park episode:

Harley sales have been down since then.

More often than not, exhaust noises are not coming from the cars I want to hear. When only ghetto cars are making noise in sea of quiet cars and increasing amounts of EVs, public perception may eventually shift and we may eventually find ourselves on the Harley side of the coin.
 
and here's Polstars current situation here as well.
Selling high end as if still made in Sweden but every single one is ex China made.
I’ve recently configured a Polestar-3 just to check the price for a configuration that would satisfy me. It arrived at over A$180K for this Chinese car. Thanks but no, thanks. That’s why I think Macan EV either trim will be a much better option for me and justifies its cost fully. Mind you, I raised my hand up as an early adopter for the Merc EQC some years ago when those came out. The price was A$160K which was a shock to me then as I was driving a petrol AMG hot hatch that had cost me A$100K only. I didn’t buy it. Today, the Merc EQE AMG SUV costs from A$195K–A$210K as a comparison, and is rather drive the Macan EV than EQE AMG.
 
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I’ve recently configured a Polestar-3 just to check the price for a configuration that would satisfy me. It arrived at over A$180K for this Chinese car. Thanks but no, thanks. That’s why I think Macan EV either trim will be a much better option for me and justifies its cost fully. Mind you, I raised my hand up as an early adopter for the Merc EQC some years ago when those came out. The price was A$160K which was a shock to me then as I was driving a petrol AMG hot hatch that had cost me A$100K only. I didn’t buy it. Today, the Merc EQE AMG SUV costs from A$195K–A$210K as a comparison, and is rather drive the Macan EV than EQE AMG.
Even the ice cars in the initial launch come with a few quirks. The EP McCaw will have 10 times that. Why don’t you just wait see the car. Drive the car. It’s a lot of money to commit to on a first try of Porsche in this segment. I just don’t wanna see you handover a vehicle and regret it. If you love the new car, the worst thing you’ve lost is a few months people are not going to line up for this car anywhere.
 
Even the ice cars in the initial launch come with a few quirks. The EP McCaw will have 10 times that. Why don’t you just wait see the car. Drive the car. It’s a lot of money to commit to on a first try of Porsche in this segment. I just don’t wanna see you handover a vehicle and regret it. If you love the new car, the worst thing you’ve lost is a few months people are not going to line up for this car anywhere.
My gut feel.
12 months+ more to enjoy my GTS before Turbo hits the shores of Australia and I get one.
Btw – for all Aussies, there will be an official launch down under (date not known yet) and the first demo cars will arrive to dealerships around Sept.
 
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