[yrralis1]

I will . . .

EVERYONE is welcome to cars and coffee, whether Porsche, BMW . . . or whatever makes and models drive your enthusiasm

THE main point being relayed is that Macans are not an attraction. Most who attend are car AND driving enthusiasts . . . yes, engine/exhaust acoustics serve as a major inspiration

An ICE Macan inspires little and an EV Macan will inspire less than nothing for most car AND driving enthusiasts

AVM

We have both a general cars and coffee where al are welcome as well as a Porsche only one . The one I posted was only Porsche . So is this more recent one .

 

[CHALKMACAN]

I’m in my 30’s. I’m going to be driving for the next 30-40 years, switching to EV is inevitable! Keep ICE for the weekends and let the snubbing go…

 

[Footie]

I will . . .

EVERYONE is welcome to cars and coffee, whether Porsche, BMW . . . or whatever makes and models drive your enthusiasm

THE main point being relayed is that Macans are not an attraction. Most who attend are car AND driving enthusiasts . . . yes, engine/exhaust acoustics serve as a major inspiration

An ICE Macan inspires little and an EV Macan will inspire less than nothing for most car AND driving enthusiasts

AVM

Please don’t take this the wrong way but your above comment is one of the reasons I wouldn’t want to attend such an event. To me the very fact you are turning up shows you are an enthusiast but to then be talked about behind ours backs would leave a bad taste in the mouth.

 

[yrralis1]

I’m in my 30’s. I’m going to be driving for the next 30-40 years, switching to EV is inevitable! Keep ICE for the weekends and let the snubbing go…

I see I have to explain . The snub is because most enthusiasts like shifting the gears and the sound of the engine . Its part of the experience . Its part of the excitement , It doesn't have to be a Gt3 RS but yes the GT cars get noted because the NA flat 6 sound is unmistakable .

The EV in comparison world be silent but they had to make some fake noises so that people won't get run over in a parking lot by not hearing a car coming . There is no shifting . There is no real engagement . There is torque but thats. one trick pony . The Tesla has more road noise than a Boxster so if you think its totally peaceful it isn't .

 

[yrralis1]

Please don’t tell this the wrong way but your above comment is one of the reasons I wouldn’t want to attend such an event. To me the very fact you are turning up shows you are an enthusiast but to then be talked about behind ours backs would leave a bad taste in the mouth.

If you read through the reddit posts a few EV guys show up (not in Miami though that I know of ) . A few had fun but some felt the response was as expected ... limp.

 

[grim]

Why does it matter what noise the car makes?

🙋‍♂️ Please take this the right way. I'm doing my best to answer your question on why noise matters.

Before I could drive, or knew anything about cars, I got a ride from an older guys muscle car. The ground shook, WHILE IDLING. At 16, I could go to the drags to watch. The best time was at night. You rushed to the rails where you could FEEL the earth shake and watch the flames shooting from the open headers. When I got older, that phase passed and I went to a US F1 Grand Prix. 🤯I thought those old Muscle cars were loud? There is NOTHING like the sound of a F1 car in full song. You can't listen to it on a TV, the speakers NEVER do it justice. Its something you have to listen to live, at the rail. They just SCREAMED.

What does it matter?

If you read through this forum, you will find people who buy the PSE going back to 2014. I asked myself, why? Back in the day, a free flowing exhaust added HP, hence open headers, glass packs, etc. With turbos, that's not clear. AFAIK, the need some back pressure. I doubt you can find any Porsche literature telling you PSE adds a single HP. And yet ... I bet the majority get it standard or buy it as option. Why? Why would ANYONE drop several thousands of dollars on an options that adds NO HP? So curious. And that is across the other pcar models too. Could it be THEY WANT IT LOUD?

Read the mods section. Why do people throw away a perfectly good PSE to buy aftermarket exhausts? How does that make sense? Could it be ... to make it LOUDER?

Why do so many here "LOVE" the startup sound of a cold Macan V6 and wish it would sound like that all the time

Why does Porsche consider sound so important? Yes Porsche. Read

Acoustic design of the new Porsche 911: Sounds great

What a sound. The new Porsche 911 Carrera not only offers driving pleasure and performance, but a wonderful soundtrack as well. The sound engineers in Weissach have done a superb job – as our audition of the 911 orchestra reveals.

www.classicdriver.com

The short version is that the design team made SURE the 911 sounded good, coming off the 997.

"For four long years an engineering team ... head of ... acoustics in Weissach, has researched, perfected and tweaked to make the new Porsche Carrera an auditory treat. Because when exacting Porsche drivers turn up the loud pedal, they expect special Porsche music ..."

This is when the introduced the sound symposer to allow intake noises into the cabin and then followed up introducing it into the Boxster/Cayman GTS cars. They spend FOUR YEARS in the design stage to make sure the car "sounded good?" WHY? "Sound is especially important in sports cars since they should be giving us entertainment" Some call the Macans the "sportscar" of SUVs.

About very time I've taken my NA 911 out, it went to the redline. The radio is never on, because the "entertainment" is the sound. there is NOTHING like the wail of a NA flat 6.

I'll leave this with a quote from one of our members from eight years ago. I've never read anything written better than this way so he gets the credit . Its about "emotion".

...
Sports cars have soul. Their order in the universe is set by how they feel when you drive them. And how they make you feel. Macans and refrigerators don't have soul. They are appliances. Appliances are all the same, so they need gizmos to distinguish them. The Macan is infused with a lot of Porsche DNA and so performance is its distinguishing feature. Others have touch pads, wine coolers and butt cheek massagers.

Guess what an option is for the EV Macan? Yup, a butt cheek massager. Includes five different massages for a mere $1300.

I recently bought a new dishwasher. Older ones were pretty noisy. That could be annoying in a house. It had like three options at best? The new one is so quiet, they had to put a light shining to the floor to let you know its on so you don't accidentally open it and has so many options, the bury them all in an app.

I'm not touching the shifting thing. If you can't understand the feeling of rowing your own gears on the twisties. Then there is no discussion to be had. Call me a luddite, I'm good with that.

Some call EVs smartphones on wheels. I view SUVs as appliances. Making them electric makes its worse. I EXPECT my appliances to be quiet. I EXPECT my appliances to not provide a THRILL. I'm good with that because they serve a purpose. That is their job, to perform their function and the quieter and most unobtrusively as possible. Make a rocket ship, send it to Mars. Be silent. Sounds fine to me. So I'm good with what their purpose in life is. But they will never have soul.

This video shows sound and rowing the gears. SOUND UP. Try to watch on a home theater system, not a computer, certainly not a mobile device, and still it will NEVER be the same as listening to a V12 Ferrari, never. Its something one either gets or not. There are no right or wrong answers.

 

[Footie]

If you read through the reddit posts a few EV guys show up (not in Miami though that I know of ) . A few had fun but some felt the response was as expected ... limp.

Which is why I feel it’s sad that they don’t accept you are driving a Porsche and be happy to welcome you.

 

[AVM]

Please don’t tell this the wrong way but your above comment is one of the reasons I wouldn’t want to attend such an event. To me the very fact you are turning up shows you are an enthusiast but to then be talked about behind ours backs would leave a bad taste in the mouth.

I have never once, nor have I ever once heard anyone talk behind another attendees back at a cars and coffee . . . particularly not because of the car in which they show up

In fact, I currently drive a Macan and have attended cars and coffee in that very Macan. I park wherever I want and enjoy the other cars and company.

I could show up in a 1973 Pinto and it would have no impact on the experience . . . in fact, the Pinto with a 4-speed manual would probably draw more interest and enthusiasm than my current Macan

Am I offended or enjoy the experience any less because nobody is enthused or otherwise interested in my Macan? Not a bit!

Again, you are missing the point of most cars and coffee . . . read @grim recent post. There is a difference between being car enthusiast and driving enthusiast, although they seem to go hand-in-hand.

AVM

 

[dave-t]

Why do I feel like EV’s are being jammed down our throats? I can tell you one thing I get turned off immediately and am strongly opposed to convert something I am forced to do. As a former sales person there is one thing I know when a customer buys something they want it to be their idea to buy it not someone else’s. If somebody is forced to do something they will fight it as long as they can before they are forced to give in. I feel this is the attitude of most of the Macan ice owners. Personally I hope this EV thing falls flat on its face.

 

[AVM]

Cars and coffee is not just for Petro heads . . . below is a photo from a local ‘Inaugural Electrified Cars and Coffee Event’

I am certain event popularity will only continue to grow once the Macan EV hits the roadways

AVM

 

[yrralis1]

Which is why I feel it’s sad that they don’t accept you are driving a Porsche and be happy to welcome you.

They feel a Porsche EV is not really a Porsche because the company would never have made one had it not been forced onto them . They were perfectly content making normally aspirated cars and a "turbo" but even that had to change . They did work magic to make a turbo non turbo 911 but failed miserably with the 718 4 cylinder .

They have so. much riding on the cars .

You are in the UK . At 130K for a Macan Ev you can buy a cayenne V8 and be a rebel !!!
We have plenty of brainwashed people in the USA who actually believe they will save the planet . They are fools . Planet earth is 4.5 billion years old and have shaken off far worse events than a few cars .

 

[AVM]

They feel a Porsche EV is not really a Porsche because the company would never have made one had it not been forced onto them . They were perfectly content making normally aspirated cars and a "turbo" but even that had to change . They did work magic to make a turbo non turbo 911 but failed miserably with the 718 4 cylinder . . .

Oh boy, we can only hope the Macan Forum does not become a group therapy session for Macan EV owners . . . like the 718 Forum for the 718 ‘4-banger’ owners

For the record, I owned a 718 2.5T GTS and a 718 GT4 . . . enjoyed them BOTH in terms of performance offered, although I did prefer the latter

The problem with the Macan EV extends FAR beyond a discussion on turbo vs NA . . . and is largely related to unspoken topic matter on this forum

Consumers dictate legislators, legislation and market demand . . . ‘drill baby drill’

AVM

 

[reguy]

They still have one rock left in the UK and it’s the Cayenne V8. That is the car which will be sought after Some EV debacle arises just like it did with the diesel.

I would much prefer that V8 than any EV engine, actually motor, just wish they would put in some nicer looking sedan. That won’t happen so may need to consider the bigger suv.

 

[yrralis1]

Oh boy, we can only hope the Macan Forum does not become a group therapy session for Macan EV owners . . . like the 718 Forum for the 718 ‘4-banger’ owners

For the record, I owned a 718 2.5T GTS and a 718 GT4 . . . enjoyed them BOTH in terms of performance offered, although I did prefer the latter

The problem with the Macan EV extends FAR beyond a discussion on turbo vs NA . . . and is largely related to unspoken topic matter on this forum

Consumers dictate legislators, legislation and market demand . . . ‘drill baby drill’

AVM

We do not live in Germany. A person can go out and buy a Corvette. V8 normally aspirated engine and feel not one thread of guilt.

This video is a short clip of why people go through such great lengths to change the sound of the car. It was a point that.@grim made. I didn’t wanna post the whole video but I found an abbreviated version. She built her own exhaust and the result in my opinion is phenomenal.

 

[yrralis1]

I would much prefer that V8 than any EV engine, actually motor, just wish they would put in some nicer looking sedan. That won’t happen so may need to consider the bigger suv.

The Cayenne coupe is the win.

 

[Footie]

They feel a Porsche EV is not really a Porsche because the company would never have made one had it not been forced onto them . They were perfectly content making normally aspirated cars and a "turbo" but even that had to change . They did work magic to make a turbo non turbo 911 but failed miserably with the 718 4 cylinder .

They have so. much riding on the cars .

You are in the UK . At 130K for a Macan Ev you can buy a cayenne V8 and be a rebel !!!
We have plenty of brainwashed people in the USA who actually believe they will save the planet . They are fools . Planet earth is 4.5 billion years old and have shaken off far worse events than a few cars .

The switch to EV has zero to do with saving the planet but no point explaining to have the post deleted.

I know I’m an old fart because when I hear someone revving their engines or spinning wheels away from a stop all I think is what a d1ck, thank heavens one of my sons aren’t on here because he would now know what I think of him so I am sure these car and coffee meets wouldn’t be my kind of event.

Yeap I’m from the UK which is why I probably feel EV is a great option, added home charging is buttons, our journey distances aren’t huge and our weather doesn’t vary as much as some other countries. As for a Macan Turbo EV optioned up to £130K, seriously? I looked through the options and the standard kit and I ended up at £98K, sure I could keep ticking boxes but I tick what I find useful. One thing I will say is interior space will be pretty close to that of the current Cayenne as wheelbase is only 2mm different yet it’s more than £35K different in price beyond you start to spec the Cayenne that offers a similar level of performance.

Oddly a lot of people think it’s over priced because it’s a Macan and yet Polestar are asking £85K for their Polestar 3 which only has 517hp and is only 4” longer, heck it doesn’t even have leather at that price, add it and you are at £90K. The Macan Turbo is expensive but everything else is too, the problem is the current Macan is more than 10 years old, in this industry that is geriatric.

 

[AVM]

The Cayenne coupe is the win.

. . . and, if a sizable sedan with V8 is desired, the ///M 5 is a beast

AVM

 

[reguy]

. . . and, if a sizable sedan with V8 is desired, the ///M 5 is a beast

AVM

Will that be a plug in hybrid for ‘24?

 

[yrralis1]

The switch to EV has zero to do with saving the planet but no point explaining to have the post deleted.

I know I’m an old fart because when I hear someone revving their engines or spinning wheels away from a stop all I think is what a d1ck, thank heavens one of my sons aren’t on here because he would now know what I think of him so I am sure these car and coffee meets wouldn’t be my kind of event.

Yeap I’m from the UK which is why I probably feel EV is a great option, added home charging is buttons, our journey distances aren’t huge and our weather doesn’t vary as much as some other countries. As for a Macan Turbo EV optioned up to £130K, seriously? I looked through the options and the standard kit and I ended up at £98K, sure I could keep ticking boxes but I tick what I find useful. One thing I will say is interior space will be pretty close to that of the current Cayenne as wheelbase is only 2mm different yet it’s more than £35K different in price beyond you start to spec the Cayenne that offers a similar level of performance.

Oddly a lot of people think it’s over priced because it’s a Macan and yet Polestar are asking £85K for their Polestar 3 which only has 517hp and is only 4” longer, heck it doesn’t even have leather at that price, add it and you are at £90K. The Macan Turbo is expensive but everything else is too, the problem is the current Macan is more than 10 years old, in this industry that is geriatric.

Showing off on the street is not the same thing as hearing the intoxicating sound. All the driver is fully engaged. There are young people who do crazy things on the street.

I have two 911s as well as a Macan GTS. The sound of each car is unique and special. One of my 911 is a manual while the other is a PDK I feel I’m getting the best of both worlds with driver engagement. I would miss this very much not because of some foolishness that can be done on the street but rather because it’s an Integral part of what I look for in driving.

 

[reguy]

The switch to EV has zero to do with saving the planet but no point explaining to have the post deleted.

I know I’m an old fart because when I hear someone revving their engines or spinning wheels away from a stop all I think is what a d1ck, thank heavens one of my sons aren’t on here because he would now know what I think of him so I am sure these car and coffee meets wouldn’t be my kind of event.

Yeap I’m from the UK which is why I probably feel EV is a great option, added home charging is buttons, our journey distances aren’t huge and our weather doesn’t vary as much as some other countries. As for a Macan Turbo EV optioned up to £130K, seriously? I looked through the options and the standard kit and I ended up at £98K, sure I could keep ticking boxes but I tick what I find useful. One thing I will say is interior space will be pretty close to that of the current Cayenne as wheelbase is only 2mm different yet it’s more than £35K different in price beyond you start to spec the Cayenne that offers a similar level of performance.

Oddly a lot of people think it’s over priced because it’s a Macan and yet Polestar are asking £85K for their Polestar 3 which only has 517hp and is only 4” longer, heck it doesn’t even have leather at that price, add it and you are at £90K. The Macan Turbo is expensive but everything else is too, the problem is the current Macan is more than 10 years old, in this industry that is geriatric.

Yes, city driving under 30mph is optimal for EV range. Unfortunately, that’s not what most auto enthusiasts are looking for, at least in the U.S.