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#1 ·
I have another question about adaptation . How do you think buyers will adapt to a $2500 battery replacement . Porsche does not warranty this on ICE cars with RAS but an EV is different . Or is it ? The battery runs low , the car needs to charge , but what if it dies ? Not everyone daily drives a car . Its expensive enough of a component that approx half off ICE owners decided to leave out RAS because they ate the expense one a former car . EV buyers don't get that choice .

Example - https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/taycan-12v-battery-issue.11051/
 
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I need to make an administrative note here. Inevitably, any discussion on the Macan EV ends up with posts concerning the viability of EVs and the issues that surround it. Porsche owners can be passionate about their vehicles. We need to allow rational, reasonable, and responsible discussion on issues that can effect the Macan. But by the same token, we can't go to far off about the more general issue of electric vehicles and head into political territory, not that that has happened yet. I just need to remind everyone about the community standards of

NO political/controversial posts are permitted, except when directly related to the Porsche Macan, for example, new legislation regarding automobiles and climate issues pertaining to the movement to Electric Vehicles

IOW. Nobody is going to win any argument about the development of EVs. Whether you have concerns, love them, hate them, etc, it is what it is. The same is true with oil. So lets focus on the issues at hand. This is all a reasonable discussion. This thread will serve that purpose, for periphery issues surrounding the Macan EV.

thank you
 
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I guess I am one of the few who have an emotional attachment to way a car drives, hopefully I am getting a 911 soon and I would much rather have a 964 or 993 over a 992. I will most likely get a tiptronic as well because I can’t row gears with my right shoulder because I had a total shoulder done three years ago. Fro those who don’t know what that means to put simple I have a metal ball and stem in my shoulder with a slab of plastic it rotated on. I don’t care about driving fast stop light to stop light, I just want to stroll. I have driven a tiptronic before and know it is a slush slush box. I also like that the 993 and 964 are much smaller than a 992. For this very reason I can never see my self wanting a EV because I don’t care about speed and tech.
 
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Even when I owned my 993 (C4S), I was struck by its "small on the inside, LARGE on the outside" feeling/dimensions.

From what I've seen in the PCA, etc. listings, you may be more likely to find a 964 than a 993, however both seem to have
suffered form HUGE price increases over the last few years as people seem desperate to acquire "last of" the oil cooled
Porsches. This played out a few decades ago with BMW motorcycles as they began to transition away from air cooled.
Think of VW as well and the history of the Beetle. Who really misses it now?

I owned a succession of VW buses back in the day. I surely don't miss doing the frequent valve adjustments, nor the lack
of heat in the cold months. No worries over changing any antifreeze though...


At any rate, good luck 🍀 finding your dream 964 or 993! There are still some out there and, hopefully, you can find one that
was well maintained at a price you can live with.
 
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Re: EV repair costs, Road & Track (whom I consider reputable and balanced in their coverage of all things automotive for many decades now), just published a well-researched article:


My tl;dr: Model S and Taycan repair costs compare similarly to large luxury sedans such as BMW 7-Series. I would expect a Macan EV's repair costs to be similar to a Land Rover Evoque, for example.

Because there haven't been many low-priced EVs sold compared to the overall number of econo / $hitbox ICE cars, EVs as an entire market are unfairly compared to all ICE cars. Whereas if you were to compare >$50K EVs to >$50K ICE cars, the delta on repair costs is small-to-none.
 
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#55 ·
It's looking like the Macan EV will likely debut soon, hearsay is at the L.A. Auto Show in November.

There are some inconsistencies with respect to some specs but the first three are from the UK and the last one from the US. It seems it's confirmed that the Macan EV will have a single-gear and will not have PDCC has an option, neither of which are deal-breakers for my wife.

Pretty good driving impressions overall though.

 
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Lots of pictures and road test reviews of pre-production models. Definitely not a looker after going through every article available. The appearance resembles a lot of eyes frog with legs tucked in, so we are glad we pulled the trigger on the 2024 ICE version that is in PDI today but will be waiting for the EV version to turn into a princess down the road. On the other hand, cannot get enough of the Taycan experience as it is the all the time looker, a relaxing runner, and a space rocket when you needed it to be. However, let's wait for the final reveal by all accounts a month or so away, and let them explain all the fine points of the exterior lines and how many, so many design hours went into it. Oh, the fun part will be the naming - looking forward to that.

These are probably the most realistic images and it is depressing (to me) to look at it. The interior will be a copy of the latest Cayenne, so nothing exciting there either.

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Final Thoughts
These Macan mules not only felt production-ready, but they felt like electrified current-gen Macans. Yes, it was an early drive, and the German engineers were being willfully tightlipped, so there's just not much more to tell. Since its introduction, the Macan has been the brand's best-selling product, and we can't see a single reason why this excellent new electric version would reverse that trend. As several companies have shown already (Tesla, Rivian, BMW, Mercedes, and now Kia), electric SUVs make a heap of sense, especially when it comes to packaging. Porsche just has to make sure its new SUV is the sportiest of all of them. Based on our brief drive of four pre-production mules, we'd say mission accomplished. We wish we had more to tell you, but that's coming soon with a review of the actual production Macan EV. Now comes the tricky part—the electric Boxster/Cayman.
 
#58 ·

Final Thoughts
These Macan mules not only felt production-ready, but they felt like electrified current-gen Macans. Yes, it was an early drive, and the German engineers were being willfully tightlipped, so there's just not much more to tell. Since its introduction, the Macan has been the brand's best-selling product, and we can't see a single reason why this excellent new electric version would reverse that trend. As several companies have shown already (Tesla, Rivian, BMW, Mercedes, and now Kia), electric SUVs make a heap of sense, especially when it comes to packaging. Porsche just has to make sure its new SUV is the sportiest of all of them. Based on our brief drive of four pre-production mules, we'd say mission accomplished. We wish we had more to tell you, but that's coming soon with a review of the actual production Macan EV. Now comes the tricky part—the electric Boxster/Cayman.
Thanks for the post! Can't wait!
 
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I have faith the final sale version will look better without camo and finalized paint schemes, trim, and nice wheels, tires and brakes poking through.

I like the look of the Audi e-tron sportback, the Porsche version can't look worse than that....can it?

We will all get used to it eventually. Not many here consider the Macan a forever car the way a 911 is seen in terms of keeping and collecting the classics. In that case, we will have only a choice of what the market (or what the mfg. thinks the market) is dictating.

More interesting are the new charging lounges I saw in the latest Chistophorous magazine.


Porsche seems to be investing in these as if they expect a significant wait time for charging (compared to fueling up) for the foreseeable future. At some point, the memories of filling up gas quickly will fade and everyone will be used to waiting for a mid-trip charge.
 
#64 ·
Charging woes and thermal runway fires aside, the biggest issue to me is the estimated 2200kg (4900lbs ish) curb weight.

The current Macan is already too fat; the GTS has a curb weight of around 4400lbs. To it's credit, it does a great job of managing that weight... right up until it doesn't.

Porsche engineers will undoubtedly work thier magic, but I just can't see it retaining the character it has now. My prediction is that it will just be another EV that has a ba-jillion horsepower and does the same old party trick of quietly going really quickly from 0-60mph. Like all performance EV's, amazing on paper, but gets boring to drive after the first couple of weeks.

It looks pretty intriguing, but I'm having a hard time getting excited about it.
 
#66 ·
Porsche engineers will undoubtedly work thier magic, but I just can't see it retaining the character it has now. My prediction is that it will just be another EV that has a ba-jillion horsepower and does the same old party trick of quietly going really quickly from 0-60mph. Like all performance EV's, amazing on paper, but gets boring to drive after the first couple of weeks.

It looks pretty intriguing, but I'm having a hard time getting excited about it.
I think that over time, this issue will work itself out. Right now, simpy being a party trick electric car is a differentiator. Once most cars are electric and all performing the same tricks, then we will see competition naturally drive each brand to express it's heritage just a bit more to attract it's set of buyers.
 
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Fantastic looking Taycan! Sounds like you were pretty motivated to get it with the second job, I always like hearing stories like that when people work towards their goals!

To your initial question, I've had enough experience with EV's to qualify my position on it. In fact, I cross shopped a number of EV's when I was picking out my new daily driver, including the Taycan and E-Tron GT.

It does depend a lot on your needs and what you value. That is going to be different for everyone.

For me, the current Macan is a perfect answer for an enjoyable daily driver. I don't know that the EV version can offer the same level of convenience, practically, and enjoyment.

I think that over time, this issue will work itself out. Right now, simpy being a party trick electric car is a differentiator. Once most cars are electric and all performing the same tricks, then we will see competition naturally drive each brand to express it's heritage just a bit more to attract it's set of buyers.
I agree with this. I think as battery and charging tech gets better in conjunction with more charging infrastructure, EV's will start to evolve. They should be able to get lighter, and gain more character and charm.

Feels like that is still about 5 to 10 years out though.
 
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@Macan-nick, this is what my wife said exactly "...the current Macan is a perfect answer for an enjoyable daily driver. I don't know that the EV version can offer the same level of convenience, practically, and enjoyment." so she will be getting the new 2024 GTS here what appears to be Monday now from the PPF shop to enjoy for those 5+ years until all EV mess is sorted out and if not, we will keep it longer. The current one that will be letting go today, dealer was able to CPO it with no issues with 74k miles on the dial, that we enjoyed for 8+ years and it still drives, feels, and looks like new as we take care of our cars above and beyond.

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The whole charging thing has saying no way. Yesterday I had to foto the grocery store yo grab a few things and I saw a guy charging his BMW SUV as I was walking in. When left the grocery store 15 or 20 minutes later the guy was still there waiting for his charge to complete. I drove by in my 2023 Macan S and the guy ogled my car as I drove away. I think the guy had Porsche envy or ICE envy or maybe little of both. The look on his face was enough for me to know that an ev is not there yet.
 
#71 ·
That BMW guy should be charging at home when he is sleeping if he is motoring locally. This is what I do.
Long trips are a different story, that is definitely far from ready. I know BMWs do not charge as fast as Porsches do so taking 30 minutes to charge under ideal conditions is expected at a minimum, but then he should have gone shopping.
 
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Not surprising !
 
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What the gist of it that article looks to long and I only got 4hrs of sleep last night?
 
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There is no slowing down in demand for Porsches that happen to be electric, because of this. I waited for my own 13 months not because it is an EV but because it is a Porsche and drives like one. Somehow, whoever is pushing EVs, not letting supply and demand rules do its thing.

2024 Performance EV of the Year
 
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There is no slowing down in demand for Porsches that happen to be electric
This will kill the demand, immediately end the desire for any new Porsche.

NHTSA press Release


Intelligent speed assistance technology, or ISA, uses a car’s GPS location compared with a database of posted speed limits and its onboard cameras to help ensure safe and legal speeds. … Active systems include mechanisms that make it more difficult, but not impossible, to increase the speed of a vehicle above the posted speed limit and those that electronically limit the speed of the vehicle to fully prevent drivers from exceeding the speed limit. …

Eliminating speeding … is a priority for the NTSB


Transportation Safety Board Proposes Dystopian Technology To Limit Your Speed While Driving

Nov 21, 2023

” The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is calling on “intelligent speed assistance technology” (ISA) to be mandatory “in all new cars”

Why would anyone drop $180K on a 911, $140 on a Taycan, or $100K a Macan when the car will have a speed limiter MANDATED by the NHTSA

This reg, if implemented in the next administration, will kill all new performance car buying. EV wont matter one bit.