[95B3.6]

Is it worth the brand premium because it goes around corners better and drives like a Porsche?

There is no substitute.™

 

[95B3.6]

a further 2 years.

I’ll never sell mine. Pry it from my cold dead hands and all that…

Just did the 8AM bread run to WildFlour Bread

What a drive…

 

[noro]

You all are missing the most important option, the pm2.5 monitor. For $460, once the air pollution gets to some level, it automatically shuts of the extermal vents and routes all air through the cabin filter

How is that! Once the Canadian wildfires restart, you are good. You will be the only one on your block driving around and 😃😀

Speaking of wildfires, have you seen how spectacularly wild these EVs burn? I mean fire departments at this point don't even try to put out EV fires, they just let them burn down because there is no point.

 

[Footie]

You would have to be completely crazy (or just stupidly wealthy) to spend £100k on one of these new EV Macans. Here in the UK the equivalent Taycan EV models are now losing over 50% of their value in the first 12 months. Nobody wants them and the dealerships are full of unsold cars that they can't shift, even at massively discounted prices!

I wouldn’t want to call out a BS comment but that is exactly what that is. Just for the fun of it I went on to Motorway which is a site that dealers bid on your car, my i4M50 which is approaching 2 years now and had a RRP of £71K with all its extras which we all know lose most of their value is worth today £47K according to them. The wife’s Golf R which is 4 months older than mine and cost with its extra £42K at the time is worth £28K.

So each are roughly lost the same amount percentage wise, one a petrol the other an EV.

If the Taycan is losing value at the moment it’s more to do with the imminent release of the Macan EV which is to be expected, sure they are different models within the same brand but they are both EVs.

 

[Footie]

Thanks that sounds promising! I had priced my EV Macan Turbo to ~$120k to get it to feature parity with standard features in my Rivian (e.g., ventilated front seats, heated rear seats, logo puddle lamps, heated steering wheel, dynamic cruise control, lane keep assist, 115V power socket, etc.). At 30% off, $84k sounds like a reasonable price. I am in no rush to replace my existing Macan.

Not a fan of the red color choices though.

Funny some of the things you have picked I didn’t, I picked adaptive cruise but without the lane assist because in the 2 years of owning my i4 which has it I have only tried it twice and hated the experience. The vented seats in the UK is a waste but heating definitely isn’t.

I specced mine very sensibly and only ended up adding £2K of extras. Colour is the tricky choice and I am leaning towards this.

 

[AVM]

About one month ago the Chrysler World Headquarters in Auburn Hills, MI had an EV in the headquarter display area that spontaneously ignited. Chrysler has a special irrigation system in place – almost as if they knew this type of ‘ignition’ has happened before and would likely happen again.

Anyway, they did their very best to make sure this did not hit the media outlets, and whatever did leak was downplayed. You can ask me how I know this . . . a buddy at the local CrossFit box is a deputy sheriff for the county in which the Chrysler headquarters resides and was called to the scene . . . where his primary instruction was to keep all media away.

This brings up a related topic about the cost of insurance – if even obtainable – if you have a high-voltage charger installed in a home so it does not take three days to recharge the EV - almost as though insurance companies know these EV are prone to spontaneously ignite . . . it is like trying to get homeowners insurance on the coast in Florida right now.

AVM

 

[bbh@aol.com]

Yes! The vehicle is just plain ugly inside and out! I know they are going to continue to sell the ICE Macan alongside it for a while. But that vehicle platform is getting very long in the tooth. You wonder how much longer they can milk that platform. My ‘23 S feels severely out of date already in many areas. Just sad. Wish they would invest in a new ICE Macan platform. An EV is just not an option for me for at least another decade.

Just curious. What do you consider “severely out of date”? My ’21 GTS does all I ask of it.

 

[santastico]

Great point. And had no idea how much Taycan’s are depreciating. Nuts

Not only they are depreciating like crazy but apparently people are not buying them. I rarely see a Tacan on the roads and just a few weeks ago my dealer was giving them out as loaners when I had my Macan for service. Drove one for the day, it was fun, but could not wait to get my Macan back.

 

[slw23]

Just curious. What do you consider “severely out of date”? My ’21 GTS does all I ask of it.

I'm not sure I have as strong feelings as the person you responded to, but having owned the first year Macan Turbo for six years beginning in 2014 and now being in a '22 Macan S for almost two years, I just don't feel the car is as exciting anymore. While the engines have similar power, what I remember from the old 3.6 vs the tune of the current 2.9, it feels like it's really lacking. The turbo lag is way more prominent and according to the butt dyno, it certainly doesn't feel as fast or as powerful as what's on paper. Perhaps I should have listened to @yrralis1 and opted for the GTS, but the car was originally for the wife and she didn't want to spend any more.

And while the interior has a slight refresh from the button heavy cockpit, it still felt like generation behind my 2020 992 int/pcm and certainly feels much further behind my '22 992 with PCM6. The pixelated dash screen is just bad and it's silly how you can't get 360 view automatically when putting the car into reverse. The car was two years newer than my 2020, but felt dated upon taking delivery.

In any case, I'm not trying to bash the car and I don't think there's any other car in its class I would prefer, but two more years of a very similar car that has some nice refinements on the exterior coupled with the patchwork interior refresh that came in 2022...

All that said, it's the opinion of one and the Macan continues to be a sales leader for Porsche, so what do I know. I also know that owning my 992s for the past four years have also jaded my opinion some.

 

[Robert M]

This guy tested a Tesla Cybertruck's mileage rating while towing 11K pounds in a very cold climate. He got 90 ,lies of range out of it.

 

[The W]

I have a flat out refusal to buy an EV until they move to solid state batteries and have about 3x the infrastructure they have now.

 

[CourtneyNYC]

without the burble and bark of the exhaust in Sport mode.

You missed you can by Sport Eletric Sound for $490. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The Porsche equivalent of the fake Rolex.

 

[GMPNW]

I have a 2019 model. The EV adds enough standard performance, safety and comfort features to offset much of the increased price. (I haven't looked to see what is now standard on the current ICE models.)

The increase in size seems negligible. I don't believe anyone could detect the differences with the naked eye.

The increase in weight is irrelevant. An EV can't be compared to an ICE vehicle. All I care about is performance: acceleration, handling, etc. For these, the EV appears to be an improvement all around.

Personally, I like the new exterior look. But even if not, I respect the fact that it is considerably more aerodynamic. "Form follows function."

I don't need to hear a particular engine sound or see a particular instrument cluster. Heck, for most of my life I was certain I needed to drive a stick, and I discovered that wasn't even true.

EVs are the future, and I believe it is my responsibility to choose a time to get onboard. It may or may not be premature to purchase an EV now, particularly one this expensive. That is what I am researching. But I am leaning in that direction. I don't believe I have a constitutional right to drive 500 miles between stops, nor to get back on the road in ten minutes. In fact, I never need to do either. Again, the charging infrastructure may not be ready for how I'd want to drive an EV, I am researching this as well. But I know that at some point I need to stop driving an ICE vehicle, and that it would be unreasonable for me to demand that I sacrifice nothing in that transition.

So, with all that in mind, I think Porsche has done a remarkable job creating an EV version of the Macan that is not only an improvement on the original in most respects, but is sufficiently cost-competitive for drivers in this category.

 

[Footie]

The Porsche equivalent of the fake Rolex.

The one BMW offer in my i4M50 is miles nicer sounding the one in the Taycan but even it I turn off. The whole point of an EV is silence so why have them?

 

[Footie]

Great point. And had no idea how much Taycan’s are depreciating. Nuts

You have to remember that the Taycan was Porsche first EV and this Macan is their second, a more practical version that in Turbo form offers even more range, performance and standard kit that the similarly priced Taycan 4S so of course residuals will be effected, the same is true when a new 911, Cayenne and any other model comes out.

I think a lot of people will be waiting for reviews, probably a test drive before completely committing to one or dismissing it and keeping what they have. Unfortunately I am in the situation that a 911 would never work as my daily despite doing little miles, with back problems and a son in a wheelchair I need something more practical but at the same time don’t need something to take me huge distances because the wife’s car is capable of that.

EVs are a lifestyle choice that your life needs to suit, ie have a second practical car that’s petrol/diesel and can do those extra long runs, don’t do huge miles daily or regularly and ultimately have the capability to add a home charger. If all of these boxes aren’t ticked then don’t consider one.

 

[AVM]

EVs are the future, and I believe it is my responsibility to choose a time to get onboard.

Thank you for letting us to get to know a little bit about yourself.

AVM

 

[Apinault]

Went through the normal routine from Porsche configuration website even not going to put an EV in garage. Just imagine if this would have been an ICE Macan launch, not impressed with either interior or exterior design, especially with relocation of shift lever, and plastic fender molding. After digesting several high quality videos from all angles and design details, it's very "Not Porsche". Both front and rear bumpers have uncanny valley lines which don't flow well with overall silhouette. (e.g. Turbo rear bumper with extra air inlets) There is already range anxiety on EV, not sure how much massage chair will ease that tension on the go!

Not sure if Porsche has been hallucinating with Cybersecurity Law to kill Gas-powered Macan, potentially shooting itself to the foot with ChatGPT!

Still preferred all the ICE Macan styles through the generations so far, if it's going to the last generation of ICE Macan, it will be a vintage and collection for all the fortunate owners!

I agrée with you! The shifter placement alone on the new Cayenne, and the rest of the fleet means my ‘23 Macan S will be my last Porsche. Sad really…

 

[RickBullotta]

EVs are the future, and I believe it is my responsibility to choose a time to get onboard.

That's your choice, but please stay out of the fast lane on the highways. Thanks.

 

[Footie]

But is Porsche going to stand behind their advertised range and performance numbers for the EV Macan?

I haven't found the Porsche warranty on the battery on the EV Macan, but the Porsche warranty for the Taycan says that Porsche will warrant that the ev battery will have 100% capacity at the time of delivery to the first retail buyer (that’s big of them), but then 80% capacity within the first 3 years or 37,500 miles, and then 70% capacity within the first 8 years or 100,000 miles.

So, if the warranty is the same, the minute you drive it off the lot, it could lose up to 20% capacity and there's no warranty claim? Porsche did say in their advertising material that their performance stats assume the car is operating under a full load. So, drop those stats by 20% from the day you drive it home for the next 3 years (and then 30%)? I wouldn't be happy. I guess I get Porsche's position, the technology is so new and there are so many factors that could change the EV car's operation and performance (such as temperature, number and extent of charges, etc.), they really can't be sure of the car's performance, range, etc. I guess that's one of the reasons why I'll take a pass, at least for now.

All manufacturers have a huge problem giving any guarantee on batteries because they don’t know how people are using their charging, from what I was told is that home charging does the least damage to batteries and if that is the sole method of charging then longevity is significantly better than someone who charges all the time at a fast charger which we all know every manufacturer tells you not to charge beyond 80% but there’s no guarantee they will stick to this.

Look at a regular engined car, if they don’t service it regularly or use crappy fuel then you will neither get the mpg or the power output claimed. In fact driving style has a greater effect on mpg than anything.

I’m 2 years in with my i4M50 and I get the same range out of it I did at the very beginning.

 

[CourtneyNYC]

I have a big problem with having the choice taken from us .
Porsche will be doomed in the NA market

One of my problems as well. I am not a fan of the folks I see, regardless of political affiliation, perusing some weakly based metric and leaving carmakers and buyers with essentially a single choice.

Tesla has a gazillion charging areas.

That is true and they have, as I understand it from my colleague who bought and kept a Taycan for 6 months, they have added an interesting function. When you insert your credit card in the charger it knows, or asks, the brand and model of the car and when you remove the charging plug the proper plug end has been applied within the pump. I've no confoirmation of this but what he told me. It would be nice to see an organization. like NEMA standardize the charging plugs like they standardized the size of the switches and outlets that go in your walls. I confess to amazement on the Taconic when I see folks lined up waiting to charge at Stewarts Shop . . . having only traveled 90 minutes from Manhattan.

Ultimately, consumers will dictate the market, not legislators. . . the consumer is already speaking and the volume will continue to be turned up . . . hard pass on EVs

Much will have to change to make that an accurate statement. Electric vehicles, at this point, fall largely into the novelty category. Folks who failed to realize that the tailpipe exhaust of a ICE car comes from the car. The "tailpipe" exhaust from the EV comes from the power plant that produced the watts. If it was nuclear, it's a perfect equation. If not, my F-250HD Diesel and a TESLA may not be far apart . . . except in where they put their exhausts.

This is a particularly good

EVs are single-handedly an environment crisis.

I have made that argument, I build poiwerplants. Have since 1968. In NYC we had am imminent emergency on August 9, 2022 when ConEd was consuming virtually every available megawatt even after implementing the load shedding measures such as having large buildings reduce temps and operate a very limited number of elevators.

There are 278,063,737 ICE cars on the road and 2,000,000 Electric Vehicles (UPDATE: There are approximately 3 million electric cars on the road in the U.S., according to an Experian AutomotiveMarket Trends report from December 2023. This number is up from 2 million electric vehicles in 2022 ). We've barely scratched the surface of the 2030 goals. Let's say, just for example, that we doubled the number next week to 4,000,000. I know that power plants are about 10 years, +/- 2, to plan, permits, design, procure (don't even get me started on the material concerns, the Americans and Dutch have fallen on their ass and the best/mostr reliable I have now is Shenga in China for poles.

The point is we are pretty much maxed out on available power and increasing that capacity is a time consuming (thank you federal and local governments) and can not meet the proposed EV implementation schedule. We have just been award a $4B project in Long Island, are hiring staff as fast as we can get them in the door, are finding great folks and have scheduled about 3 years just to prepare, submit and have the permits in hand. We have already started negotiation to buy production slots for the terrestrial and submarine cable. We'll do a great job but, as yo could not mow your lawn in 7 minutes, even our best effort takes a finite about of time.

The take away is that is you want to make that move from 2,000,000 to 4,000,000 before we get down you have to make some choices, . . . think "air conditioning or car charging". You may have one, not both. If you live in California this choice is made for you in software by your friendly government.

For a taste of the environment California EV owners operate in . . .

Californians Told Not to Charge Electric Cars Days After Gas Car Sales Ban

The California Air Resources Board recently approved a rule to require all new cars sold in California to be free of greenhouse gas emissions by 2035.

www.newsweek.com

Californians Told Not to Charge Electric Cars Days After Gas Car Sales Ban

The California Air Resources Board recently approved a rule to require all new cars sold in California to be free of greenhouse gas emissions by 2035.

www.newsweek.com

Broken chargers, lax oversight: How California's troubled EV charging stations threaten emission goals

Why are so many California EV charging stations broken? Lax state oversight of state subsidies is one big reason.

www.latimes.com

I found the 2nd link particularly disturbing that California is making Volkswagen AG ante up $800,000,000 for charges as continuing punishment for falsifying those diesel records. Be mindful Volkswagen owns Porsche and you, likely, as a new Macan EV owner will become California's de facto benefactor regardless if you like in Gary, IN or Adelaide, AUS.

This is uncharted territory for Porsche and its best-selling vehicle, BY FAR.

It's not only the best-selling vehicle, and I stand ready to be corrected if this has changed, but the Macan pretty much is what keeps Porsche in business. The situation is something like (and I haven't looked at this in sometime) 70% of Porsche production and most the profit. Fact is the iconic 911 is a pretty think market. Porsche may be, again I would want a lot more facts, undertaking a huge risk.

But is Porsche going to stand behind their advertised range and performance numbers for the EV Macan?

Probably to the extent that Ford stand behind the number for the F-150 Raptor and Acura stands behind the numbers for the MDX. Those numbers are the result of a formula, not actual driving and taking a pencil and paper and dividing miles/gallons.

New, used EV prices have dropped, but don't rush to buy: 'It's not a consumer-friendly market,' analyst says

Prices of both new and used electric vehicles have declined substantially since last year but are still pretty high. Consider your options before buying.

www.cnbc.com

We live in interesting times. We have tremendous natural and tremendous intellectual firepower. I see the new crop of engineers I am hiring and these folks are smarter and more creative than I was in my best day. My job now pretty much consists of finding folks much smarter than I and paving a road for them to work unimpeded. We'll solve all these problems. But, I hope my concerns about where all this battery waste will reside (most the materials are regulated from being produced in the US because of toxic and Enviromental concerns. I am much more comfortable with nuclear waste, a minuscular amount in comparison, that can be stored in one place with a solid safety plan and protocol. The new Westinghouse modular nuclear plants are a quantum step forward (there are currently 63 Nukes under construction on Earth, 3 in the USA)

I admit and respect the fact that Porsche has made, after promising an intro for the last 4 years, a huge step in keeping the virus governments of the world off their ass. One think I am certain of with Porsche (we had 42 Porsche engineers in our office in Kansas City when we were designing what would eventually get co-opted to the V-Rod motor when it ran wilding over price and weight metrics) engineering on it that it will be elegantly engineered and executed.

My greatest source of excitement is that a number of folks here, in the not very distant future, will own and be driving these EV Macans and we will begin to get REAL information and impressions.

Not being entirely on board with the process is not automatic luddite classification but we've a ways to go and our progress will be determined by how soon we can chart our future by Engingeering rather than politics.

Just PERSONAL OPINION.

Interesting research:

I give this post a predicted lifespan of an hour . . . these tend to vaporize quite quickly.