[ericsan13]

You dont have to explain to me gas lines having lived through odd/even days. Been there, done that But now that the US exports oil, the 70s are long gone, 4 decades ago. This is much different.

1. In the 70s they didnt run out of gas stations. Here there are not enough electron stations supporting the premise that 1% penetration is ev infancy, premature, etc. Big difference
2. In no case did they charge more money because you had too much gas in your tanks, thats crazy 🙄

immature tech, thats the point, and I know early adopters put up with bs

The article I shared is from 2021 and this probably happens whenever there's a storm or other disaster coming. Every time I go to Costco there is a line at the gas station from folks trying to save a buck or two (literally!). All that wasted time.

It's not as extreme, but gas price does go up for gas stations in denser locations. Similar concept but the situation will improve, or get a lot worse, then improve. Like you said supply and demand. It's more immature infrastructure than immature tech.

Surge pricing is trying to combat Uber and Lyft drivers from hogging all the Tesla chargers. As long as the congestion revenue is pumped back into creating additional charging infrastructure, a virtuous cycle is created to improve infrastructure.

Although I'm glad you're passionate on our behalf, you can't club all of us early adopters into the 'putting up with bs' category. The stats I shared previously show most EV owners charge at home. I certainly do, and for a fraction of the cost of gas might I add (in my case, 16.5% the cost of just gas alone). I haven't had to deal with any bs at all and I'm saving time and money. The grass is greener and I expect a lot of Macan EV owners will find this to be the case.

 

[ericsan13]

Macan hybrid please. Best of both worlds if done correctly.

Even better would be a plug-in hybrid! I see more and more folks going this route but they are typically single car urban families.

In a two-car family, you could probably have one EV and one plug-in hybrid to satisfy roadtrip needs.

Less of this 'charging station competition' for me. /s

 

[95B3.6]

Macan hybrid please. Best of both worlds if done correctly.

Yum. Like a Ferrari SF90 Stradale, (from $524,815).

Up to 51 combined MPGe, 15 mi battery-only
769 hp.

Vroom.

https://www.caranddriver.com/ferrari/sf90-stradale-2023

 

[grim]

The article I shared is from 2021 and this probably happens whenever there's a storm or other disaster coming. Every time I go to Costco there is a line at the gas station from folks trying to save a buck or two (literally!). All that wasted time.

It's not as extreme, but gas price does go up for gas stations in denser locations. Similar concept but the situation will improve, or get a lot worse, then improve. Like you said supply and demand. It's more immature infrastructure than immature tech.

Those waiting in line at Costco chose to do so while the Tesla owners are forced to. That is obfuscating.

Different gas station prices are usually location driven and market forces. Tesla charging different electron prices based on battery levels is not market forces. That is mischarterization of what is going on

I am glad you are passionate in your choices but early adoption pays a heavy toll that buyers willingly choose, that those in the normal part of the curve refuse to pay.

Home charging doesnt help those Tesla drivers and bringing it up doesnt change the headlines. All the public sees is EV bad in cold and long lines/extra costs. This cold Jan is likely bad publicity for the battery industry and no amount of spin changes buyers perspective.

 

[Footie]

The article I shared is from 2021 and this probably happens whenever there's a storm or other disaster coming. Every time I go to Costco there is a line at the gas station from folks trying to save a buck or two (literally!). All that wasted time.

It's not as extreme, but gas price does go up for gas stations in denser locations. Similar concept but the situation will improve, or get a lot worse, then improve. Like you said supply and demand. It's more immature infrastructure than immature tech.

Surge pricing is trying to combat Uber and Lyft drivers from hogging all the Tesla chargers. As long as the congestion revenue is pumped back into creating additional charging infrastructure, a virtuous cycle is created to improve infrastructure.

Although I'm glad you're passionate on our behalf, you can't club all of us early adopters into the 'putting up with bs' category. The stats I shared previously show most EV owners charge at home. I certainly do, and for a fraction of the cost of gas might I add (in my case, 16.5% the cost of just gas alone). I haven't had to deal with any bs at all and I'm saving time and money. The grass is greener and I expect a lot of Macan EV owners will find this to be the case.

Oil and Gas didn’t come from the dinosaurs it was long before them and we as a species have used it to the point that finding new oil fields are nowhere near as plentiful as once was and there is a time sooner rather than later that there will be no new fields to be found. So it appears some of us are living in a dream world if you believe those days in the 70s will never return.

That is why you have the likes of Porsche working to engineer synthetic fuels and why we are pursuing electricity and hydrogen as other forms of populsion for our transport.

I have been in this game long enough to know what is happening.

 

[Footie]

Macan hybrid please. Best of both worlds if done correctly.

If they could over come the inherent issue you get when you press the throttle hard enough to engage the engine because all the ones I have driven neither feel fully in harmony as one with just a petrol engine or as instant as a fully electric and then you don’t have much of a weight advantage over an EV or is all the weight set as low to the ground either.

The one single advantage a hybrid has over a full EV is its ability to call into a petrol/gas station and fill up within a few minutes but its disadvantage is you have two place you have to top up at, a gas station and a charging station and if you have a home charger then you are much better off having just an EV.

The one hybrid I haven’t drive is a Porsche, I’ve driven both VW/Audi and BMW and neither impressed me to the point I would pick it over either a fully ICE car or a full EV.

 

[danamaria]

They have implemented hybrid tech on Cayenne and Panamera. Hopefully, they will consider Macan in the equation. If the battery has enough miles (50 or so) to get me to work without running the engine that would be useful for me.

 

[EdwardATX]

380 mile range on the Macan 4. 270 kW fast DC charging. Optional 4 wheel steering.

This thing will run like a Porsche sports car. My Taycan 4S was superior to the 997.2 Carrera I had before it in every way except for fun factor of shifting my own gears. I would still pick an EV over a PDK Porsche sports car. Row-your-own-gears ICE or just be comfortable and energy-efficient in an EV.

I recognize the diversity of forum members' ages here. But one thing we haven't discussed -- the next-next generation may not care about our ICE versus EV arguments. Because they'll either be doing public transportation, ride share, or some autonomous EV taxi. Take-rates on driver licenses are lower than ever, even in traditionally car-centric parts of the US.

 

[yrralis1]

It’s something I will never understand, these things are crap to drive and drink like a fish. If you are a tradesman and use it for work then I get it but to just buy one as your daily I think is nuts.

What am I missing?

Oh wait I know, I’m not American that’s why I don’t get it. 😂

I used to think exactly as you do. I thought this was the type of vehicle for a working person to use in a job. The first time I saw a neighbor in a suit who was an attorney going to work in one of these trucks. I thought he was delusional. That was about 20 years ago.

What I’ve learned over the course of time is that there are a lot of guys who like to do manual labor type of work on their weekend. Don’t ask me why because you will never see me at Home Depot. They enjoy this and a truck gives them that opportunity .

Recently I saw three out of seven of the lifeguards at the pool where I swim purchase a truck. They are young. All of them like to be able to tow things, haul items, and feel like they have no limitations on their space.


The last reason is something also foreign to me. People who have a boat also get a truck to tow the boat . In my opinion, this is a double whammy . First, I would never buy a boat. I live in a place where boating is huge. Second, if I did buy a boat, I would park it at a marina and have it maintained there . I believe that people bring a boat to their house enjoy the act of parading their boat into their neighborhood. It is ridiculous ostentatiousness and they get a big giant truck to do it.

I have a friend who after several ice trucks. Bought the Ford lightning. It’s an EV truck that is capable of acting like a home generator in a blackout. He bought the home integration system. He also has solar panels. he does like having an ice car in his house, but also likes using the electric vehicles too.

I would never buy a truck. I’m not looking forward to electric vehicles either. I look at them Macan, like it was a beautiful SUV that set the standard for an entire segment that is now being ruined with this electric legislative force feeding. I see an enormous amount of brainwashing in a culture that somehow believes they are going to save the universe by doing this, when, in fact, he’s probably gonna get just as polluted as ever just to make these things, as well as the infrastructure to do it. Just like I don’t understand a giant truck. I also don’t understand this pressure applied to taking away the choice. .

 

[Footie]

I always think when a new car is revealed the venue tells you a lot about where the company see its potential sales coming from, the fact that Porsche has chosen Singapore tells me that the Asian market is where EV sales growth will be greatest. It the past many countries looked towards America for the latest trends but now it’s Asia, especially when it comes to technology.

 

[DUHCAR]

Where is the rear wiper? Other than that, I was very impressed how they managed to maintain the classic Macan look. Would consider in a coupla years after the bugs worked out.

 

[grim]

I always think when a new car is revealed the venue tells you a lot about where the company see its potential sales coming from, the fact that Porsche has chosen Singapore tells me that the Asian market is where EV sales growth will be greatest. It the past many countries looked towards America for the latest trends but now it’s Asia, especially when it comes to technology.

I got up early to watch that? The livestream comments were brutal. 40 mins of rambling about some sculpture? And no prices, no real details, and zero enthusiasm from the crowd. IMO they should have done it in Geneva or any auto show. But I think you are correct. They know these are not going to sell here, so sell them in Asia, they catered to where the cars would sell. Porsche did say the only reason 718s exist today was because of China.

Where is the rear wiper?

You don't buy a rear wiper with 911s, at least I didn't. You don't need one. Its weird at first but once you see it, you never miss it. Maybe they changed the aerodynamics enough you don't need one? Look where the "wing" is. A bit weird but maybe they did their wind tunnel testing and you just don't need one. Or maybe, its just for advertising and looked cleaner?

 

[grim]

I People who have a boat also get a truck to tow the boat . In my opinion, this is a double whammy . First, I would never buy a boat. I live in a place where boating is huge. Second, if I did buy a boat, I would park it at a marina and have it maintained there . I believe that people bring a boat to their house enjoy the act of parading their boat into their neighborhood. It is ridiculous ostentatiousness and they get a big giant truck to do it.

Ford Lighting EVs aren't selling to their predictions and production has been cut. They sold 24K out of .....wait for it .... 750,000 F150s. It looks like they are moving manpower from EV production to Broncos, ICE production.

Ford cuts production of F-150 Lightning pickup on weaker-than-expected electric vehicle sales growth

Ford says it’s reducing production of the F-150 Lightning electric pickup vehicle as it adjusts to weaker-than-expected electric vehicle sales growth.

apnews.com

I believe those that haul heavy items love and need torque. You would think an EV pickup provides that instant torque. But maybe the more they haul, the quicker the battery dies. But about boats, and hauling them, not to go too far astray, I'm sure the Telsa Truck could haul boats, after all, it can tow a 911 and be faster than it, but I'm not sure your reasoning is correct. Boating is huge around here too and many near the water own them. We are not close to the water but there are people who keep boats, not huge yachts but motorboats with outboard engines. I don't think they keep them to parade them around the neighborhood but more because its just cheaper to store them on their property than rent space at a marina. That cost $$$$, keeping them at home is free. Just a thought. Free is good. Paying rent is bad. And you get to haul stuff from Home Depot too.

 

[yrralis1]

Ford Lighting EVs aren't selling to their predictions and production has been cut. They sold 24K out of .....wait for it .... 750,000 F150s.

Ford cuts production of F-150 Lightning pickup on weaker-than-expected electric vehicle sales growth

Ford says it’s reducing production of the F-150 Lightning electric pickup vehicle as it adjusts to weaker-than-expected electric vehicle sales growth.

apnews.com

I believe those that haul heavy items love and need torque. You would think an EV pickup provides that instant torque. But maybe the more they haul, the quicker the battery dies. But about boats, and hauling them, not to go too far astray, I'm sure the Telsa Truck could haul boats, after all, it can tow a 911 and be faster than it, but I'm not sure your reasoning is correct. Boating is huge around here too and many near the water own them. We are not close to the water but there are people who keep boats, not huge yachts but motorboats with outboard engines. I don't think they keep them to parade them around the neighborhood but more because its just cheaper to store them on their property than rent space at a marina. That cost $$$$, keeping them at home is free. Just a thought.

The Tesla video was not accurate.

It is cheaper to park a boat at home . However , adding a truck to do it sure can offset cost.
I think they just like to show off . Its like getting a tattoo . What is the purpose other than to say "look at my tattoo". . It serves no function. than ornamental graffiti which they call "art " .

 

[grim]

The Tesla video was not accurate.

I know, hence the

It is cheaper to park a boat at home . However , adding a truck to do it sure can offset cost.I think they just like to show off . .

Could be, everyplace is difference and down your way they might be bragging since you say they rent exotics, or something like that, just to show off, but I see people keeping motorboats and hauling them with SUVs and pickups. And pickups are used as "work trucks" and some people just like Big Vehicles. Its no different than some people like tiny Fiats and Smart cars. Different folks, different people preferences. Everyone is different. Some people buy H1 Hummers too, and why?

Choices

 

[yrralis1]

I know, hence the



Could be, everyplace is difference and down your way they might be bragging since you say they rent exotics, or something like that, just to show off, but I see people keeping motorboats and hauling them with SUVs and pickups. And pickups are used as "work trucks" and some people just like Big Vehicles. Its no different than some people like tiny Fiats and Smart cars. Different folks, different people preferences. Everyone is different. Some people buy H1 Hummers too, and why?

Choices

you could be right. Massachusetts is a totally different culture than Miami. I am not kidding that there are people who try to qualify for a loan to buy an exotic car who are in bankruptcy. They will turn to the finance manager and say “but I never missed a car payment“.

 

[TripleL]

I watched it. I still think electrics will be in our future, but still don't think the technology is there yet. Having said that if the claims of 0-60 in less than 4 seconds and a range of over 300 miles are accurate that's pretty impressive.

 

[grim]

I watched it. I still think electrics will be in our future, but still don't think the technology is there yet. Having said that if the claims of 0-60 in less than 4 seconds and a range of over 300 miles are accurate that's pretty impressive.

The three presenters, IMO, were targeting their audience. I don't think it was for US or EU consumption and looked FAR different than the 2013 Announcement at the LA Auto Show. And having a voiceover for the German video seemed amateurish to me.

I thought she said the Turbo was 0 - 62 in 3.2 When I look at these Tesla numbers, it does not seem impressive. Thats 2018 Model 3 top trim level times, five years old. I would expect Porsche to be better than Tesla.

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[DUHCAR]

You don't buy a rear wiper with 911s, at least I didn't. You don't need one. Its weird at first but once you see it, you never miss it. Maybe they changed the aerodynamics enough you don't need one? Look where the "wing" is. A bit weird but maybe they did their wind tunnel testing and you just don't need one. Or maybe, its just for advertising and looked cleaner?

I think you are right about the clean look. Here in Toronto I use the rear wiper quite a bit in snowy, slushy weather So I really need one.

 

[Footie]

Ok UK prices are in

Macan 4 - £69,800 and on steel springs
Turbo - £95,000 and on air suspension

Both prices are significantly more than the previous model though I imagine standard kit will also be up but until those details released that’s only a guess.

At the moment I am not 100% convinced, I was comparing interiors and exteriors between this and the previous Macan, I think Porsche has played it a little too safe. You look at the Taycan and it was a complete departure from anything previous but this is too close.

I will definitely need to see it in the flesh before I’m convinced.