https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/18/business/ford-electric-vehicles-canada.html?unlocked_article_code=1.8U0.DNyq.KE7q3d8JyByQ&smid=url-share

More Gas cars and trucks, fewer EV, Automakers Change Plans

In “the past 12 months, the growth rate of electric vehicle sales has slowed sharply as some buyers have balked at the high prices of electric cars and trucks and the hassles of charging them, especially on long trips.”

 

“Porsche waters down EV ambitions ….”

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/porsche-waters-down-ev-ambitions-154326096.html

 

“Porsche waters down EV ambitions ….”

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/porsche-waters-down-ev-ambitions-154326096.html

Renault joins Porsche

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/renault-ceo-calls-flexibility-european-ev-transition-timeline-2024-07-22/

 

Back in June, I had the good fortune to review the Macan EV Turbo in person and give it a test drive (Porsche Center, Los Angeles). To say that I was impressed with the performance and handling of the car would be an understatement. It's a fantastic piece of machinery. Furthermore, I think the design is a really nice progression of the current ICE version. I placed my order and I look forward to receiving it before the end of the year.

 

Stellantis tells owners of over 24,000 hybrid minivans to park outdoors due to battery fire risk

Stellantis is telling owners of more than 24,000 plug-in hybrid minivans to park them outdoors away from buildings, and to stop charging them due to the possibility of battery fires.

apnews.com

 

All lanes of Interstate 15 to Las Vegas that were closed due to big rig accident have reopened, CHP says

CHP reroutes northbound vehicles to share southbound lanes after hundreds are stranded by cleanup of smoldering wreckage with lithium batteries between Barstow and Baker, CHP says.

www.latimes.com

 

An article popped up on my Home Screen . This EV Mercedes had not been charged for days and just burst into flames causing damage to over a 100 cars and hospitalized 23 people (smoke inhalation ) . I cant imagine parking one of these vehicles inside my garage . https://insideevs.com/news/729196/mercedes-eqe-korea-fire-underground/

I realize it's not an everyday event but when an EV fire goes wrong it really wreaks havoc .

 

YouTube creator John Cadogan (AUS) has put out several EV fire videos - and the attendant dangers/risks to the general public
whenever & wherever these vehicles decide to spontaneously erupt:

Auto Expert John Cadogan


He also tackles many other subjects and concerns, some with high entertainment value!

Have at it!

 

YouTube creator John Cadogan (AUS) has put out several EV fire videos - and the attendant dangers/risks to the general public
whenever & wherever these vehicles decide to spontaneously erupt:

Auto Expert John Cadogan


He also tackles many other subjects and concerns, some with high entertainment value!

Have at it!

he's our typical larrikan aussie media type who at times goes OTT but he's on the money re EV's here.
Recently sales of hybrids have gone off the roof.
RAV4 hybrid no1 in July sales.
People are waking up here buying more ICE/Hybrids.
The EV growth has been stunted atm, Tesla sales have tanked, the chinese EV invasion will hang on purely based on cheaper price.
Gov is having to push back its NVES mantra

Government waters down fuel efficiency standard - carsales.com.au

Broad support for revised New Vehicle Efficiency Standard after car industry wins concessions for large diesel-powered SUVs and utes

www.carsales.com.au

We like many countries are way behind to support EV charging around this vast country whereas the Green influenced Gov is appeasing to a % of its voters and its coming unstuck.

 

I wonder how these cases will influence economic decisions going forward. Drowning cargo ships on fire, burning car fleets in garages… Imagine fires in long tunnels (Switzerland has got a few of those). Who will pay the damage and which insurance will cover at what cost? One question is already answered: residual value: nobody wants to buy a used EV ⬇ You don’t only buy other people’s problems, you also buy a ticking time bomb, it seems.

 

I wonder how these cases will influence economic decisions going forward. Drowning cargo ships on fire, burning car fleets in garages… Imagine fires in long tunnels (Switzerland has got a few of those). Who will pay the damage and which insurance will cover at what cost? One question is already answered: residual value: nobody wants to buy a used EV ⬇ You don’t only buy other people’s problems, you also buy a ticking time bomb, it seems.

Never argue with a zealot. Some are totally convinced that the benefit far outweighs these minor details.

 

Seoul Measures for Electric Vehicle Safety Revision of Rules of Management of Apartment Houses Electric cars induce 90% charging limit I'm going to issue a 'Charge Limit Certificate' Public facilities charge limit to 80%.

https://www.mk.co.kr/en/society/11089063

Ask any ICE owner if it would be fine to limit fuel tank to 80% for public driving!

 

… I’d rather advocate for 110%. Once the fuel pump stops, I manage to squeeze in another two gallons 😅

 

Yes, 83 l drivable in the Macan, although exceeding unmanned gas stations' credit card and pump timer limits regularly...

 

...moved my collection of Makita Lithium-Ion garden batteries (getting rather hot during operation) including charger from my unsecured basement to the fireproof boiler room recently after reading about burning and exploding bicycle batteries and witnessing how my wife's recent Dell internal laptop battery grew thick, already ripping the bottom shell apart...

 

You are very smart to do that. We had a house fire in our neighborhood a few months ago caused my the owner keeping quite a few Lithium batteries in his garage. House was a complete loss.

 

“Ford delays new EV plant, cancels electric three-row SUV”

Will focus on hybrid.

Ford delays new EV plant, cancels electric three-row SUV — CNBC

Production at the new plant in Tennessee was initially expected to begin next year.

stocks.apple.com

 

More fire like this is happening around the world. Expect house or property insurance to surge!

 

ICE with E-fuel maybe the future, major automobile industries are looking into this as sensible alternative.

Because while Porsche originally envisioned synthetic fuel primarily for specialized applications like racing and vintage cars, Steiner also believes it will play a big role in reducing emissions from ordinary vehicles, alongside electrification.

"We see this as a great additional strategy to e-mobility and we think we could really help the environment in a faster manner, because we could do something for existing cars," Steiner said, noting that while EV sales continue to fluctuate, new internal-combustion cars are still being sold and will remain in use for some time.

Porsche R&D boss: E-fuel plant should serve as "role model"

Porsche sees e-fuels as a way to displace the use of conventional gasoline during the electric transition.

www.greencarreports.com

 

Interesting, but I’ve read rough cost estimates are in the neighborhood of $12 per gallon.

 

Dieselgate helped the push to EV. The fraud that keeps on giving.

 

For @yrralis1 in FL

Then the chorus of “But, ICE burns too!”

 

For @yrralis1 in FL

Then the chorus of “But, ICE burns too!”

When officials were giving out evacuation instructions, it was televised throughout the state. One of the first things that was mentioned was to get the electric car to hire ground. It was brought up during hurricane Ian, the home with stood the storm to burn down because the person left the electric car behind and it caught fire. Those homes on Sanibel and Captiva Island were absolutely beautiful. It is prime real estate This particular storm was extremely destructive, and I’m sure that fires present itself when they start going through the accounts of what happened. Right now I think people are still in shock in that region. It’s a very difficult process. I will never forget hurricane Andrew. It will take time for them.

 

@grim - the people who have electric vehicles which burned down their homes sadly have lost everything. Most of what the public sees is the buildup to the storm and the footage from the actual storm itself. That’s only like seeing the tip of an iceberg. The aftermath is far worse. If you’ve survived the storm, it doesn’t mean you’ll survive the aftermath. Many of the injuries occur when people try to fix something, and they don’t know what they’re doing. They fall off a ladder, cut themselves chopping down a tree, or even accidentally stepped into a puddle with a down powerline. . Even if you survive all of those things, the general public is really ticked off.. everywhere you go people are angry and frustrated and they get to go home to a house that has no electricity and that is 90° in their bedroom at night. During hurricane Irma, my wife and I took turns sleeping because it was so hot in the bedroom that I felt safer being able to check on each other. Dealing with the repairs is another obstacle because suddenly contractors make more than surgeons. They also run out of supplies so if you wait for the insurance company to come and write you a check, you might have a blue tarp on your roof for six months leaking into your house before it’s fixed. That’s why I had $8000 worth of damage. I just paid it out of pocket and didn’t even make a claim. It is absolutely horrible. There are a lot of people in the storms that just pack up and vanish. it takes a long time to deal with it and I suppose the electric car is the least of the problem, but it is a significant problem.

 

Even if you survive all of those things, the general public is really ticked off.. everywhere you go people are angry and frustrated and they get to go home to a house that has no electricity and that is 90° in their bedroom at night. During hurricane Irma, my wife and I took turns sleeping because it was so hot in the bedroom that I felt safer being able to check on each other. Dealing with the repairs is another obstacle because suddenly contractors make more than surgeons. They also run out of supplies so if you wait for the insurance company to come and write you a check, you might have a blue tarp on your roof for six months leaking into your house before it’s fixed. That’s why I had $8000 worth of damage. I just paid it out of pocket and didn’t even make a claim. It is absolutely horrible. There are a lot of people in the storms that just pack up and vanish. it takes a long time to deal with it and I suppose the electric car is the least of the problem, but it is a significant problem.

D a m n … when Andrew came, we were on vaca on the road in desert sw. I would imagine everyone should have whole house backup generators.

I know whats it like with no electricity for a week but compounded with house damage 😢

But I will never understand those that build on the water knowing its just a matter of time. Ive been through the eye of a Cat 2, seen the eyewall, calm, then eyewall again and if they said evacuate, I would be 🚗🚗🚗

 

 

...these Lithium batteries are really starting to suck in practical use, especially the old pouch ones, just lost my loved OPPO mobile after 4y due to an expanding pouch cell cracking the phone's back, same with my wife's Dell laptop and my father's Motorola smart phone, this one only 1 week beyond the EU 2y guarantee date...now even cooled new ones...one was probably enough to ignite the whole container, fortunately onshore...

 

Why do people build in these areas? There are many reasons, but here's part of it. For years the Federal Government, through the National Flood Insurance Program, subsidized the cost of flood insurance. That subsidy lowered the cost of flood insurance, which encouraged construction in coastal areas and other flood zones. Those subsidies are ending and homeowners in affected areas are seeing increases in the cost of flood insurance through the Federal program but that is happening gradually over a period of years.

 

Fire Marshal Issues 'Alarming' Warning About What Electric Vehicles Are Doing in Milton Aftermath

By Jack Davis
October 10, 2024

‘Alarming’ Fire Hazard Warning Issued for EVs in Milton Aftermath

EV owners have a lot to worry about if their vehicles were submerged when Hurricane Milton ripped through Florida, a state official warns.

www.westernjournal.com

 

Re my post #1.186
B4 posing (In “Other Vehicles”) I had searched for “EVs & saltwater & found nothing.

Mod moved my post here.

I see the issue of EVs catching fire after flooding with salt water, has already been discussed in this thread.

 

Interesting that . . . as I hear doom and gloom about “EV cars languishing unsold on dealer lots: . . . that a simple search brings up stuff like this.

I’m no big fan of EV vehicles . . . but this makes me believe that I am in a growing minority.

 

Meaningless predictions. Notice sales are flat the last two years. The early adopters have adopted. They are note even early adopters but are in the "innovators" part of the curve, See the discussion about the adoption curve earlier in this thread.

 

Attended a Macan EV launch event yesterday, tons of people showed up. So there is definitely interest out there, either for the Macan EV or free food/drinks.