What's even more annoying is the Cyber Security law only banned ICE Macan in EU, it's there for years, why Porsche couldn't remediate the issue and left tens of thousands of ICE Macan vulnerable in ROW (e.g. US does not have this requirement)? What makes one think Security Vulnerability is not an on-going protection measure that won't affect Macan EV models or other Porsche lineup? What if some Security Vulnerabilities are found on new Macan EV or other Porsche lineup at the later phase (e.g. ransomware)!

Porsche should step up and address the existing Cyber Security related issues instead of banning the models with this non-sense marketing strategy!

Cybersecurity Law Forces Porsche To Kill Gas-Powered Macan In Europe [Update]

Porsche just debuted the new, all-electric Macan, but production of a gas-powered model will continue for the US and other markets.

www.motor1.com

https://unece.org/DAM/trans/doc/2020/wp29grva/ECE-TRANS-WP29-2020-079-Revised.pdf

We'd rather hear part of announcement should be something like: "While developing Macan EV, we discovered Security Vulnerability in existing electric architecture, Porsche will provide remediation plan to upgrade ICE Macan software to comply with Cyber Security requirement, and ensure Macan EV or any other Porsche lineup do not fall into the crack!"

 

What's even more annoying is the Cyber Security law only banned ICE Macan in EU, it's there for years, why Porsche couldn't remediate the issue and left tens of thousands of ICE Macan vulnerable in ROW (e.g. US does not have this requirement)? What makes one think Security Vulnerability is not an on-going protection measure that won't affect Macan EV models or other Porsche lineup? What if some Security Vulnerabilities are found on new Macan EV or other Porsche lineup at the later phase (e.g. ransomware)!

I have a little bit of insider knowledge here, and I'll just say that the Macan ICE and Macan EV are completely different architectures. PCM6 (and prior) are based on BlackBerry's QNX RTOS which is pretty ancient. Macan EV is using Android Automotive OS (AAOS), which is modern and being actively developed. The cybersecurity issue with Macan's PCM5 won't be remediated, so it's easier to just pull the plug (ha!) on it.

I've read @grim and others' responses about the feel of an ICE car and the convenience of refueling. All completely valid points. Change is hard. And I love the emotion of driving an enthusiast-oriented car as much as anyone here, which is why I have a 992 T (7MT) in my garage.

I just read a fascinating article from The Atlantic about the Chinese EV market:

Perhaps all of these cheap, futuristic EVs are what America is missing. But one of the biggest challenges that EVs face here is not the cars; it’s the chargers. In America, charging stations are still too hard to find, and they are too unreliable. China’s charging network is much more extensive than America’s, even in rural areas. Ash Sutcliffe, of the massive Chinese carmaker Geely, told me that in the eastern part of the country, you’re generally never more than a kilometer away from a charging station.

China has also been more willing to try things such as battery swapping—where, rather than being charged, the huge depleted EV battery is swapped out and replaced with a new one in just a few minutes. Battery swapping has never been successfully implemented at scale in the U.S., which is a shame, as it has the potential to be a much more sensible approach to EV charging. The Chinese automaker NIO, meanwhile, has already completed 30 million battery swaps.

These are solvable problems. Yes, China does not have the legacy infrastructure and installed base like the US. But they also have 10 cities with more population than NYC, and they're making EVs work.

As of this month, the Japanese government is no longer requiring the use of floppy disks and CD-ROMs to do business with them. It's laughable that the Japanese who were once the world leaders in all things tech are still dependent on 30 year old technology, right? But in 2054, is America's transportation sector still being dependent on oil going to be as laughable as the floppy disk in 2024?

 

Regarding fires at gas stations, I couldn’t count the number of tanker deliveries I have done over these many years but if there’s a fire whilst a tanker is delivering you basically check the direction the wind is coming from and run in that direction.

Petrol itself isn’t combustible it’s the fumes which are incredibly combustible.

Don t you see that most here dont want this ? Its like putting lipstick on a pig . Its still going top be a pig . So they can make all the fancy charging stations or give incentives and it won't change the sentiment . As much as a company tries to make the car similar tp an ICE car it can't be an ICE car . The people pushing this are not drivers . I am all in favor of offering EVs but not taking away ICE to do it . Let the market take away ICE ,

You are in Europe . You have climate kid . There is a pro EV campaign . Sure the USA has PLENTY of cults that even more detrimental than the clean energy cult . Its thus is not number 1 on my hit parade but that doesn't make it good.

Perahps I am just selfish . I dont give a @@@@ !!! I think there are far bigger problems in the world than the little bit of dirt that comes out of my car which brings me joy. I dont care about the price of gas either and feel electricity can become expensive too. In fact EV's are expensive a nd so are their components .

I know many say this is political but its not political for me . If a politician has 10 other policies that like I will still honestly say that I dont like this . I think people who make it political are just afraid to say they disagree with their number 1 guy on anything .

If tomorrow Porsche made an all EV 911 I would test drive a Z06 Corvette .

I hope Porsche thinks about the repeat buyers in North America that they could lose . Its not just the USA . I talk with a group of Porsche owning Canadians and they are all on the same page with this .
Its a big chunk of territory that Porsche ought to consider .

 

If tomorrow Porsche made an all EV 911 I would test drive a Z06 Corvette .

You would be welcomed into the fold .

 

Porsche Chief Financial Officer Lutz Meschke was referring to the sales ban on new cars with combustion engines in the European Union from 2035. For the sake of clarity, the ban refers to cars that generate emissions, so in theory, hydrogen-burning combustion engines or ones that run on synthetic fuels could be allowed. In March 2023, Reuters reported on the European Commission's draft to allow sales of new ICE cars after 2035 provided the vehicles run on climate neutral fuels.

Porsche Thinks Europe's 2035 Combustion Engine Ban Might Be Delayed

Today's AM Drive is about Porsche Chief Financial Officer Lutz Meschke saying sales of new cars with combustion engines in the EU might not be banned in 2035 after all. In the US, Lincoln intends to cut 100 dealers this year.

www.motor1.com

Exclusive: EU drafts plan to allow e-fuel combustion engine cars

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/eu-proposes-exception-e-fuel-combustion-engines-2035-2023-03-21/

Even low speed Golf cart is looking into ICE alternative with carbon neutrality option:

This Yamaha Golf Cart Is Powered By A Hydrogen Combustion Engine

Based on an existing four-seater golf cart, the Drive H2 has been modified to accommodate fueled by two high-pressure hydrogen tanks while keeping the ICE.

www.motor1.com

 

Here's a press release in Oz RE EV by Mr Toyoda incl how our socialist/green aligned Gov is looking to milk the EV train directive.....

https://www.skynews.com.au/insights-and-analysis/caleb-bond-toyota-chairmans-startling-admission-about-future-electric-vehicle-sales-exposes-the-fallacy-of-green-ideology/news-story/5c4670075cb7374d82b0c1b67b45793c

and here's Polstars current situation here as well.
Selling high end as if still made in Sweden but every single one is ex China made.

Why Polestar is destined for failure

No matter how you look at the figures, Polestar as a brand is under incredible market pressures and, so far, it's failing to deliver.

www.carexpert.com.au

The silent hard working majority here have had a gutful our Govs making so much noise for the minorities.
Be it colour - the green and carbon directives, its setting people broke here.
Millenials/Gen z and x's have no bloody clue but follow.

Euro compliances have been an avil for other western countries importantly USA and to a lesser degree Australia being a much smaller population but still effected us due to our ADR's (Australian Design Rules) that was formally set up long ago whilst we had manfacturing ie Ford/GM/Toyota plants protecting the locals.

I'm very saddenned by the Macan EV, I can't bring myself to having one let alone just for local surburban use.
I have a few cars like many here at my use.
Like the US we cover alot of klm's/miles, I have no care to stop and charge whilst doing a 1,000klm trip I had done last week.

 

Here's a press release in Oz RE EV by Mr Toyoda incl how our socialist/green aligned Gov is looking to milk the EV train directive.....
https://www.skynews.com.au/insights...poses-the-fallacy-of-green-ideology/news-story/5c4670075cb7374d82b0c1b67b45793c

of course, Toyota’s interests in Africa and other 3rd world places are very strong and has always been so I’m not surprised at all about his assessment and statement as far as his business goes globally

 

It's not auto maker's best interest to deal with on-going financial risk of having to recall cars with battery overheat or safety risk issues. For EV, auto makers may not disclose the full specification of battery model or brand they are using, it's an random luck!

Audi recalls 26,000 E-Tron Sportback Quattros and E-Tron Quattros

Audi is recalling 26,866 model year 2020-2022 E-Tron Sportback Quattros and model year 2019-2022 E-Tron Quattros.Certain high-voltage battery modules m

www.consumeraffairs.com

Toyota chairman prediction of 30% EV is still far fetched!

 

Interesting thread and an opportunity for so many of us to learn. I try, and it oft requires conscious effort, to set aside and subvert, as much as possible, my predispositions and opinions flavored with things like intellectual momentum, politics and shards of "that's the way we have always done it" and actually try to learn or at least appreciate the conflicting and complementing view of others. There are a number of smart, experienced folks here with diverse opinions.

This entire thing harkens back to the day when the spark advance lever on the side of the steering column began to disappear and arguments like "they may move it or disguise it but they'll will never be able to remove a driver's ability to adjust the spark advance", Sounds like ABS brakes, autonomous steering and EV introduction.

I am in the energy production business which shapes my thinking but also what I can say publicly. Look bad to shareholders if I spouted some opinion following our firm being awarded a $30B contract.

But, lots of smart folks are involved in our exposure to EV from the folks who run to the grocery store in them, the folks who seek to go on long cross county journeys in them to engineers and construction folks.

It will be exciting and, even if it doesn't lead us precisely to where we now think we are headed, it will lead us to an amazing future.

I am happy that Porsche, for some period it appears, will offer the ICE and EV Macans side by side. It should paint an interesting and valuable portrait of the nature and reasons of buyers of both.

 

I had an interesting discussion with a customer who I knew had previous to Christmas been driving a BMW iX and was now driving a new M3 Touring, it was his wife who happened to be driving it today.

I asked the question why the change back from electricity to petrol and her remarks was “well it wasn’t my choice” I asked why do not like the M3 and she said “he hardly ever drives the car it’s mainly me and I much prefer the instant response of the iX”, I didn’t think she was the boyracer type so said “do you mean away from junctions and the likes?” and she nodded. She added it just feels clunky by comparison.

I must admit I would love to try my old M5 again to see what I thought because it probably had the smoothest, most responsive of engines I had driven. I wonder would I feel the very same as she did?

 

There's always hope.


"Revenge of Detroit: GM leads peers higher on ICE commitment while EV pure plays fall"

Revenge of Detroit: GM leads peers higher on ICE commitment while EV pure plays fall

 

Here’s a rant but it’s not towards everyone only those who actually have an EVs.

If your EV has the ability to add sound do you use it or turn it off?

Everyone I know who has either a Taycan or BMW all have used it very briefly and then turn it off.

 

I love it. It sounds like a spaceship from the movies, and I am pretty sure all those sounds are fake as well. Most do not understand the purpose of it, so they get annoyed and turn it off.
There is a fed mandated sound that is always on that I do not hear inside the cabin.
Sport Sound is optional and designed to sound in sync with the driving dynamic, providing very rewarding (to me) feedback, and helps someone who may be susceptible to car sickness with necessary signals to the brain that you are moving and stopping.

 

This, in the Australian media today 😲

‘While electric cars less than two years of age retained a respectable 82.8 per cent of their original value when resold in December 2023, electric cars between two and four years old held on to just 57.6 per cent of their value, while electric cars five years of age or older were worth less than 25 per cent of their original purchase price when resold.’

 

Oh-oh:
"German electric car sales fell by 16% in 2023, according to VDA data, and are forecast to drop another 9% in 2024."

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/german-car-sales-lag-global-recovery-industry-warns-2024-01-30/

 

Hope the electric experiment fails for Porsche so they get back to designing what the customer wants.

 

It surprises me how many people are in the dark as to the oil situation, why do you think they are developing synthetic fuel, do you genuinely believe this has anything to do with CO2 or climate.

The oceans produce over 90% of the world CO2 so you can guess after that just how much we are producing and yet it’s ours that’s going to make the difference, wake up and smell the coffee. We need to switch from oil, it’s not a choice it’s a necessity and whilst it’s OK for you and I to keep using it willy nilly it’s our kids and their kids that will be the ones picking up the pieces.


I will throw headlines

When Will Fossil Fuels Run Out? - Infinity Renewables.

Some might argue that we will never run out of oil but the likelihood is that to drill at the depths needed it wouldn’t be cost effective to do so. So at some point in the not to distant future fuel prices will go up dramatically which is why synthetic fuel will take the lead but without a doubt it is much more expensive to produce than what we are currently paying so at some point everyone will be questioning can they afford to run their motors or do those long journeys.

 

Don’t even get me started on the Cayman EV! They introduce the GT4RS, probably the best handling car ever, then say they will introduce an EV, this wokeness must stop…

 

As a regular car I can understand electric but in the case of the GT4RS which is a track weapon it couldn’t be replaced in electric form, at least not with present technology.

 

A hybrid approach like Toyotas makes so much more sense.

 

Hybrid on makes sense if you regularly do long journeys because the aren’t as efficient at these long journeys as a regular ICE equivalent and in city they aren’t as efficient as a full EV. Plus you are hauling a lot of weight from the batteries so the don’t handling as well as either an EV or regular ICE.

We have one in our fleet which is a GolfGTE and even the guy that drives it will go back to a diesel or switch to an EV after his lease is up but at the time the leasing deal was a cracker so he went with it.

 

Bad news for stocks

More: EV Stocks Are In Shambles

And no one wants used EVs

Hertz’s Tesla Fire Sale Portends EV Reckoning No One Wants

Over the course of 2023, the value of one-year-old EVs fell 35% in the US, about double the depreciation of used internal combustion vehicles, according to researcher Cox Automotive. This is particularly problematic for Tesla owners who have financed their purchase and want to sell their car.

 

EV can be bricked because of OTA sw updates? What?

 

Yep. Traditional car companies aren't good at software. News at 10.

 

China is its own entity as mentioned, nothing to compare to western markets.
There is only one reason China have forced, incentivised their people into EV.
$$$$$'s - reverse engineering and to maintain the countless factories pumping components, keep jobs and Export.
No one has choice they are run by the CCP.
The remaining Top5 countries mentioned are a root cause to the rest of us.

 

A couple of things you guys are discussing.

First, the Macan Turbo PP "technically" is not a trim level. Rather the PP was an "option". Why? I got no idea. I think most people thought the S would come out but instead they went to the short lived .2 version of the car. My suspicious is they expect the second generation car, the EV, to come out in MY20, but the pandemic happened. They have known for a very long time that the emissions fines would destroy the company. But I think a lot of that got pushed back because of the pandemic. Since the Macan EV is the second generation vehicle, I fully expect a Turbo S model and apparently the #2 guy at PAG confirmed it.

Second, AFAIK, the Cayenne GT is NOT a Motorsports car, so don't even talk about it in the same breath as a GT2, GT3, or GT4. You see those numerics after GT? Those are the racing classes. GT2 no longer races but the 3 and 4 DO race.

Andreas Preuninger (AP) runs the GT racing division, ie, motorsports. Those cars are meant to be homologation cars for the Race cars. You can look them up what each one does but generally speaking, the GT3 allows Porsche to run in the WEC GT3 class. Here is an example

Debut for the newest generation of the Porsche 911 GT3 R

The new Porsche 911 GT3 R will be unveiled to the public at this year’s 24 Hours of Spa-Francorchamps. Compared to its predecessor, the new 911 GT3 R features a larger engine producing up to 565 HP, a more constant aerodynamic performance and an optimized vehicle balance.

newsroom.porsche.com

This is the latest 911 GT3 R (R as in Racing). Its homogolation car is the 992 GT3.

"homologated for the FIA GTE category; homologation basis: Porsche 911 GT3 (992 series)."

AP has EXPLICITLY stated there will NOT be a GT Macan or Cayenne. Quote:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15341408/porsche-we-wont-do-any-gt-suvs-ever/

“The credibility of the GT car is based on direct bloodline to the race cars,” he told C/D. “A customer buying a GT3 knows there’s a derivative that’s on track every other weekend in a different race series. ... “If we were to enter the Dakar rally with a Macan or Cayenne—something we have no plans to do—then maybe the Motorsport department would develop that car and bring it to the race. Then I would see a good excuse to make something for the street that is very close,” Preuninger said. “But to just use a badge on a Panamera or Cayenne to make it more attractive, for me, would not be credible. It would only be marketing, I don’t think that’s the right thing to do."

But wait, there is Cayenne Turbo GT, right? But its NOT a motorsports division car that I can tell. It's just another trim level.

Porsche Cayenne Turbo GT Coupe review: a 631bhp super-SUV with carbon aero Reviews 2023 | Top Gear

A two-tonne 4x4 that needs actual downforce? Purr-lease. Apparently, those funny carbon Shrek ears either side of the roof spoiler – and the 25mm-longer ducktail on the pop-up rear wing – aren’t just visual shorthand for ‘I’ve bought the most expensive non-hybrid Porsche Cayenne’. Apparently...

www.topgear.com

This Cayenne isn’t a pedigree product of the same Weissach skunkworks that brings you the 911 GT2 and GT3. It’s said to ‘have the blessing’ of the GT department.

What does that mean? It would seem some design came out of Weissach but its not a motorsports vehicle. There is no racing class for SUVs that I know. Here is a 2023 article on the new Cayenne

Testing of the new Porsche Cayenne reaches the home straight

Porsche is meticulously preparing the new Cayenne for its launch. Until then, the prototypes and pre-production vehicles are being subjected to challenging endurance tests to ensure that they meet Porsche’s high quality standards.

newsroom.porsche.com

In addition to realigning the drive portfolio, the engineers at the Porsche Development Centre in Weissach made major revisions to the Cayenne’s chassis system.

So when they mention Weissach, that doesn't seem to necessarily mean Motorsports.

Development Centre Weissach: the heart of Porsche

Every Porsche has the same origin: the Development Centre in Weissach. Take a glimpse into the secret grounds, which extend to around a hundred hectares.

newsroom.porsche.com

Every Porsche has the same origin: the Development Centre in Weissach.

If someone has some evidence the Cayenne Turbo GT is a motorsports car, please provide it. Similarly I expect the Macan EV GT to be the same thing, "blessed" but not a motorsports car under AP. There is a HUGE difference between being a vehicle designed as a homologation car and a street production car. Porsche trim levels can confuse anyone. Macan Turbo? They are all Turbos, etc.

Great post!

AVM

 

Not that Porsche listens to me . . .

For years the ICE Macan was ripe for a GT variant, but I recall an article somewhere in this forum where one of the head gurus at Porsche stated clearly that there will never be a GT Macan variant.

Personally, I think it would be stupid to put the Porsche GT label on an SUV. On the other hand, if Porsche ever did (1) I am certain it would be one bad-a** SUV and (2) they could sell as many as they wanted at just about whatever price they wanted.

Now, after all the ICE Macan GT denial over the years, you are telling me Porsche plans to manufacture an EV Macan GT model??? What??!

This seems absolutely pathetic . . . coming from the perspective of a driving enthusiast. All the stuff @grim and @yrralis1 referenced earlier in the thread with respect to cars and coffee. NA engine and exhaust acoustics, relatively light and nimble handling, sporty/exotic design . . . basically all the stuff that is non-existent in an EV.

Hard pass on EVs . . . and shame on Porsche for even suggesting they will be throwing their coveted GT tag on a Macan EV. Tragic!

AVM

I always felt Porsche should make a Gt variant . They never released official Nurburgring numbers . Unofficially 8 min 15 sec on a first gen car was clocked .
Just to show how they change they change their mind . see old article Porsche has no plans for a Macan or Cayenne GT - Autoblog

Who knows ? The Taycan Turbo S GT is an EV and ran 7 min 7 sec .

Imagine if the Porsche strategy is to work backwards . They start out with big tank like vehicles that nearly catch a Gt3 only to drop the "we are making a 911 EV " news that no one wants to hear .

They could have taken ICE further but they were stopped . Governments have given a free pass to EV . Realistically the Tesla Plaid should not even be legal . Its is an unsafe pile of junk yet it can travel at warp speed .

Its been an unfair match .

 

I know I have made my views on EVs clear, but there is something just so wrong about spitting out Porsche and EV in the same sentence.

I also know you know this as a driving enthusiast, but 0-60 is about all EVs have to offer . . . and almost irrelevant when it comes to enjoying, say, a GT4. In fact, going from 0 to jail time in 3-4 seconds - then braking - gets really old really fast.

I have heard more than a few times the Mazda Miata is more enjoyable on the common roadways than a GT4 by many driving enthusiasts.

Anyway, I digress . . . yes, Porsche could go on indefinitely producing great sport cars without all the nefarious legislative agendas. I stand my ground by stating 'drill baby drill' will be here before you know it.

AVM

The American companies are not following the European laws . They actually are making a choice possible which is where I feel it should be . The sad part is that the ICE cars are good but they are not Porsches . Chevrolet threw the kitchen sink at the Corvette . Even Ford put a track app in the Dark Horse Mustang , I get in my 992 GTS and its just an entirely different world . I never looked at American cars until the last 3 years .I even went to the local Corvette launch event and felt welcomed . Hard to imagine after all the years at Porsche .

Right now it looks like this is the last ICE Macan . If it remains in the USA for a year or two as I have been told there won't be any more revisions . I will head over to the Cayenne at that point .
Eventually I suppose I will end up saving money but there is no way I am jumping in with big money for an EV .

 

The rules change because within the EV world, there are other competitive, more-or-equally powerful offerings. There is less to differentiate than ICE (turbo/supercharger/liters/etc.) vs. EV (battery/e-motors).

Porsche has brand name going for them, but as a result of performance first, then design, then luxury. The EV Macan on paper isn't raising the bar on performance/power. Am I wrong? No one sees these as under-powered? Am I the only speed-demon? Is it because it's already faster 0-60 than the ICE equivalent?

You can remove the first part of the sentence about EV and the rest of it still applies to the entire Porsche line up. Of course you can think the rules should be different, but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree there. Porsche performance has never relied upon straight line speed, 0-60 times, or raw power as its key selling points. I really didn't expect they would change their formula for the Macan. Once can look at the Taycan as an example.

In any case, good discussion.

 

You can remove the first part of the sentence about EV and the rest of it still applies to the entire Porsche line up. Of course you can think the rules should be different, but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree there. Porsche performance has never relied upon straight line speed, 0-60 times, or raw power as its key selling points. I really didn't expect they would change their formula for the Macan. Once can look at the Taycan as an example.

In any case, good discussion.

Good point. I am not a very brand-loyal buyer, so perhaps I think differently. I have heard families stick with one or two brands for some reason. But I do think that they still have a poor value proposition. My Macan S does not drive that differently than say my Lexus F Sport or my Rivian SUVs or any other luxury sport SUVs I've driven (heresy I know!). The performance gap may closer than they imagine amongst EV competition.

Edit: Also, my wife says it's pretty much all brand prestige.

 

Oz doing similar to UK

Tesla opens largest electric-car fast charging station in Australia

The new Tesla charging station is reported to house 16 new V4 superchargers, but won’t be available to non-Tesla drivers until after the holiday period.

www.drive.com.au

 

This is from today from AP. The EV just rips through the crash barrier like it isnt there but the damage to the Jersey barrier is startling 😳

Physics, gotta love it, mass matters

 

The editors POV is the same I mentioned. Sooner or later there will be a breakthrough in chemistry and the early adopters will be crying, more or less.

This is inevitable. There is no Moore's Law for chemistry or physics, but innovation will occur as EVs move out of the realm of the early adopters into the mainstream, or possible the egg before the chicken, etc. Perhaps Toyota always knew, it is premature.

Sooner or later our cars will be powered by nuclear, arc reactors, or whatever and ICE and EV buyers will be crying, more or less. This is inevitable lol.

Lithium ion batteries have been around in cell phones for decades, but that doesn't stop anyone from buying a li-ion cell phone. EV buyers are already reaping the advantages of EVs today. The only thing that might hurt is if some magic innovation with an X multiplier on range, that would cause extreme depreciation. Won't hold my breath though.

But one thing the AAA survey shows is that EV buyers largely don't regret going EV.

Most EV buyers have no regrets about going electric, AAA survey says

Many car buyers are still unsure about electric cars, but those that do take the plunge tend to be happy with their purchases, according to a new AAA survey. Initial concerns, such as range anxiety, tend to disappear over time, AAA said. Ownership costs are also fairly close to gasoline cars...

www.digitaltrends.com

The value is already being delivered and consumed regardless of whatever future tech may come out. If a better turbo or sound system comes out, you don't regret your car purchase today.

 

Talking with my local Porsche dealership sales manager today about the new EV Macan and he said that they have not taken any genuine orders for either model yet Apparently there is lots of interest and wannabe test drivers....but no actual deposits. They also have a showroom full of new Taycan EVs, some with big discounts off the sticker price.

It will be interesting to see how much interest translates into sales. I think there is a certain % of early adapters who will buy but my guess is sales will fall short of manufacturer expectations. IMO it’s not that there is anything “wrong” with the EV Macan per se.