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BTW I have the Lotus Eletre on loan over the next couple of days but don’t know where best to post my thoughts so if the mods can help where to post I would be grateful.

Other Vehicle subforum...

 

[Footie]

Sure they can in the US and do today. They know EXACTLY where the electricity is going because, as we discussed, it has to have a permit, it goes through a separate panel, at least usually, its a 64 AMP service, and check each state they can have different RATES because they want you to charge off peak.

So yes, they can charge whatever they want for that "special" charger.



Here, under Other Vehicle Discussion

https://www.macanforum.com/forums/other-vehicle-discussion.130/

I see, I can’t speak for the rest of Europe but this is obviously different here in the UK because all I need was the charger and nothing needed changed to my supply.

Oven here off-peak times are through the night and a few periods in the morning and afternoon but general they as in the electricity companies want us to charge at night because they are still producing even if it’s not being used so better to get something for it rather than nothing, plus off peak means less pressure on supply.

Of course each countries supply and peak/off-peak times will vary but I would imagine that this will continue as they will want you to charge off-peak to spread the load.

The thing is until EVs outnumber ICE cars no one really knows what the governments will do to recoup the lost revenue.

P.S. Thanks for the link to posting the other in the right place, I will do that tomorrow at some point with some pics.

 

[cometguy]

I'm surprised that so many members of this forum appear to be dug-in-against the Macan Electric (and against BEVs generally). Why am I surprised? Because the Macan is still ostensibly an SUV. It doesn't drive as well as a two-door Porsche or a Panamera or a Taycan; the Macan is higher and bulkier. Yeah, it's a sporty SUV/crossover, but it's not really a sports car. So for people to be so "dug in" on how the Macan BEV is so much worse than an ICE Macan is amazing to me. I personally see the Macan Electric as much better than any ICE Macan in terms of sportiness -- acceleration and power and even appearance. I'm ready to move into the future with Porsche.

Yes, the public-charging infrastructure is an issue, and because I do cross-country road trips every year (lately twice a year or more), a BEV is a problem in that equation for me. Thus, I've been planning on a Cayenne E-Hybrid as my next vehicle, though I don't like the larger size of the Cayenne; if only Porsche would make a Macan E-Hybrid! But as more news trickles out about the impending Macan Electric, the more I like about it. The interior screen/controls layout looks better than in my 2019 Macan; it retains the new Cayenne/Panamera toggle switches for climate controls, and it puts the "gear mode" stick into the dashboard switch of the Taycan and other 2024 ICE Porsches, where it's much better and clears up a lot of space in the lower center console -- brilliant design! The more I think about it, the more I'm amazed that Porsche kept the stick-shifter for so long; it's really a dreadful design that harkens back to the manual-transmission-only days of cars and was long-overdue for retirement (especially with paddle shifters on the steering wheel).

The new range tests indicating up to 325 miles at 70 mph in the Macan Electric is making me think that I might pass on the bulky Cayenne E-Hybrid for the Macan Electric as my next car. After all, 10 out of 12 months of the year, I'm driving locally and would never use public charging (only home charging). I see the next couple of years as very exciting in the Porsche development and release phases for plug-ins. My days of buying non-plugin cars are long behind me now. But I still like Macan a lot.

 

[reguy]

This must hurt, Hertz, a bit ....

Hertz will sell 20,000 of its EVs in US to buy gas cars insteadwww.freep.com

 

[EdwardATX]

I agree that folks don't need to be so salty about EVs. We should be thankful that Porsche is building EVs, as it allows them to meet government regulations (especially ex-US) while continuing to build the ICE 911.

Read today's Porsche Newsroom article about Macan EV testing. This vehicle is shaping up to be a Porsche that just happens to be propelled by electrons.

Re: @grim 's stats about EVs as a percentage of cars, two things:
1. ICE cars have been on the road for 100+ years. Tesla only launched their first mass market car (Model S) a little over 10 years ago.

2. Manual transmission cars were 1.7% of the new car market last year [Jalopnik/WSJ]. EVs were 9% of all new car sales in 2023 [Fortune].

No one is saying automakers should kill off manual transmission cars. In fact, it's enthusiasts who are saving the manual. (I did my part by buying a 992 Carrera T with 7MT last year!) So why the hate for EVs, which are more numerous than manual transmission cars?

All the arguments against EVs because of infrastructure mirror that of smartphone adoption over the last 20 years. I had a WAP phone and later a Palm Treo on a 3G 1xRTT network. RIM BlackBerry threatened to up-end carriers' infrastructure with all their data traffic. But guess what? Carriers adapted and brought out 4G and then 5G networks. iPhone and Android rule the roost now. And hardly anyone misses their non-smartphone.

But to build off of that infrastructure argument and America specifically, unless you've traveled abroad extensively, you would think smartphones and Internet in America is fine. And then you realize 5G in Asia is 10X as fast at 1/10th the price. Guess why? Complacency with what we have installed, among carriers and consumers. The same thing is happening with payments -- no civilized country does credit card mag stripe swipe, yet I did that for gas the other night.

I foresee EV versus ICE going the same way. Let the enthusiasts keep ICE cars. I want my 911 to run forever, and I hope my son can buy a 911 someday. But let's please move on from the "EVs won't happen!" argument, because they will regardless of what Americans think. And America will get left in the dust as other countries advance technologically. We will figure out all the thorny problems (public charging, electrical grid, energy density). It's just a matter of time and whether Americans want to lead or follow.

 

[yrralis1]

I'm surprised that so many members of this forum appear to be dug-in-against the Macan Electric (and against BEVs generally). Why am I surprised? Because the Macan is still ostensibly an SUV. It doesn't drive as well as a two-door Porsche or a Panamera or a Taycan; the Macan is higher and bulkier. Yeah, it's a sporty SUV/crossover, but it's not really a sports car. So for people to be so "dug in" on how the Macan BEV is so much worse than an ICE Macan is amazing to me. I personally see the Macan Electric as much better than any ICE Macan in terms of sportiness -- acceleration and power and even appearance. I'm ready to move into the future with Porsche.

Yes, the public-charging infrastructure is an issue, and because I do cross-country road trips every year (lately twice a year or more), a BEV is a problem in that equation for me. Thus, I've been planning on a Cayenne E-Hybrid as my next vehicle, though I don't like the larger size of the Cayenne; if only Porsche would make a Macan E-Hybrid! But as more news trickles out about the impending Macan Electric, the more I like about it. The interior screen/controls layout looks better than in my 2019 Macan; it retains the new Cayenne/Panamera toggle switches for climate controls, and it puts the "gear mode" stick into the dashboard switch of the Taycan and other 2024 ICE Porsches, where it's much better and clears up a lot of space in the lower center console -- brilliant design! The more I think about it, the more I'm amazed that Porsche kept the stick-shifter for so long; it's really a dreadful design that harkens back to the manual-transmission-only days of cars and was long-overdue for retirement (especially with paddle shifters on the steering wheel).

The new range tests indicating up to 325 miles at 70 mph in the Macan Electric is making me think that I might pass on the bulky Cayenne E-Hybrid for the Macan Electric as my next car. After all, 10 out of 12 months of the year, I'm driving locally and would never use public charging (only home charging). I see the next couple of years as very exciting in the Porsche development and release phases for plug-ins. My days of buying non-plugin cars are long behind me now. But I still like Macan a lot.

Electric Porsches are going to evolve faster than your PCM did in the Macan. Porsche is in its infancy stage and other companies like Tesla have been at this game for more than 10 years. One of the biggest complaints from service is that the support system is not as developed as other companies that have done this for a while.

Unlike Tesla did try to build a car that is more linear and drives more like a gas power car. Another words they are faking it. They would never in their wildest dreams do this, if they didn’t have to.

I would not be so sure about the range numbers that are claimed. When Porsche dishes out and Number, it’s under driving circumstances that might be different than yours. Unlike a gas powered car if it dies it’s dead in a gas powered car, you’re not only get a warning, but there’s a variety of stations that you can have any immediate solution.

The chatter I hear amongst owners in my region is that people bought the Taycan , have a home charging outlet, and don’t face a long commute with work are happy. Is the people who live in Miami but working in Fort Lauderdal who drive about an hour and 15 minutes in modest traffic get rid of the car. They can’t deal with it.

Lastly, when last minute hurricane evacuations were done during hurricane Ian and the storm turned, there were stranded EV vehicles of all makes all over the road.. you might recall it was originally expected to hit Tampa, and at the last minute turned towards Fort Myers. Some people even evacuated Tampa into Fort Myers. This created an electric vehicle nightmare…

 

[Footie]

i watched the video of the Top model Macan EV doing 300 miles at an average speed of over 60mph which is very impressive but with an outside temperature of 70 degree it’s ideal conditions. I would like to see a similar test conducted when it’s near freezing because us that drive EVs already know cold weather is the enemies of the EV.

 

[Footie]

I agree that folks don't need to be so salty about EVs. We should be thankful that Porsche is building EVs, as it allows them to meet government regulations (especially ex-US) while continuing to build the ICE 911.

Read today's Porsche Newsroom article about Macan EV testing. This vehicle is shaping up to be a Porsche that just happens to be propelled by electrons.

Re: @grim 's stats about EVs as a percentage of cars, two things:
1. ICE cars have been on the road for 100+ years. Tesla only launched their first mass market car (Model S) a little over 10 years ago.

2. Manual transmission cars were 1.7% of the new car market last year [Jalopnik/WSJ]. EVs were 9% of all new car sales in 2023 [Fortune].

No one is saying automakers should kill off manual transmission cars. In fact, it's enthusiasts who are saving the manual. (I did my part by buying a 992 Carrera T with 7MT last year!) So why the hate for EVs, which are more numerous than manual transmission cars?

All the arguments against EVs because of infrastructure mirror that of smartphone adoption over the last 20 years. I had a WAP phone and later a Palm Treo on a 3G 1xRTT network. RIM BlackBerry threatened to up-end carriers' infrastructure with all their data traffic. But guess what? Carriers adapted and brought out 4G and then 5G networks. iPhone and Android rule the roost now. And hardly anyone misses their non-smartphone.

But to build off of that infrastructure argument and America specifically, unless you've traveled abroad extensively, you would think smartphones and Internet in America is fine. And then you realize 5G in Asia is 10X as fast at 1/10th the price. Guess why? Complacency with what we have installed, among carriers and consumers. The same thing is happening with payments -- no civilized country does credit card mag stripe swipe, yet I did that for gas the other night.

I foresee EV versus ICE going the same way. Let the enthusiasts keep ICE cars. I want my 911 to run forever, and I hope my son can buy a 911 someday. But let's please move on from the "EVs won't happen!" argument, because they will regardless of what Americans think. And America will get left in the dust as other countries advance technologically. We will figure out all the thorny problems (public charging, electrical grid, energy density). It's just a matter of time and whether Americans want to lead or follow.

A voice of sense, so refreshing.

EVs aren’t for everyone, especially this early in their life and with ICE cars still available but in the long term the move away from fossil fuel is going to come whether we want it or not. We all know synthetic fuel is making waves and I have no doubt there is a market for it in the future but I see that as something to keep existing ICE cars on the road rather than a replacement for the EV. America will adapt, they will have to otherwise they will be left behind which would be a shocker considering it was an American firm that started the whole EV revolution.

As someone who has driven most exciting performance vehicles over the years and usually change yearly all I can say is almost 2 years owning my first EV and this is the first car out of all of them that I genuinely have enjoyed every minute and anyone who knows me would tell you I just don’t get attached to cars. It’s a completely different experience, it wouldn’t be my first choice for a blast up a country road but for 95% of my driving it’s easily the best car by far.

 

[grim]

I agree that folks don't need to be so salty about EVs. ...

The is a LOT to unpack here so I will do it in pieces. I said before, I can see an EV as a "runabout" for town. But I am NOT willing to sink $6K+ into equipment, services, permits, etc. because:

1. I might hate an EV
2. I might move
3. I'll never see the ROI, never. Even if it increasing my base, its a pittance or nothing falling under the exemption

The biggest problem I see for people sinking money into home charging is the lack of foresight. It seems 64 AMPs is needed for at 50 AMP circuit. I think that shortsighted in that if all the "predictions" ever came true, ALL the cars would be EV. I got neighbors with FIVE cars. What are they going to do with ONE 50 amp circuit? I'd go 400 AMP service minimum and never the minimum. You can never have enough electrons. Just look at the vast number of electronics in houses today that no on ever knew would be invented 40 years ago.

So why should I sink money into something with no returns and could end up as a paperweight? And then do it over and over again in the next house. Weird. Now if it were free, then it might be something to consider, but forcing me to buy equipment. No, bad idea. Its not like spending $100 for a cassette component and then $150 for a CD player. We are talking THOUSANDS.

In any case, lets see....

I agree that folks don't need to be so salty about EVs. We should be thankful that Porsche is building EVs, as it allows them to meet government regulations (especially ex-US) while continuing to build the ICE 911.

PAG is building them because they have no choice. Otherwise the fines would put them out of business. Its that simple.

Re: @grim 's stats about EVs as a percentage of cars, two things:
1. ICE cars have been on the road for 100+ years. Tesla only launched their first mass market car (Model S) a little over 10 years ago.

2. Manual transmission cars were 1.7% of the new car market last year [Jalopnik/WSJ]. EVs were 9% of all new car sales in 2023 [Fortune].

It matters little. Numbers are numbers.

1. if there are less than 1% of EV registered in the country, they are insignificant. Those ICE cars aren't going anywhere. Look at Cuba still driving 1950s American car with no parts. Electric cars FAILED in the early 1900s and many thought them better than ICE at the time. Even Mrs. Ford drove one, Look it up.

2. Fortune's predictions were in November were wrong. Here are the 2023 numbers

A Record 1.2 Million EVs Were Sold in the U.S. in 2023, According to Estimates from Kelley Blue Book - Cox Automotive Inc.

Cox Automotive publishes a quarterly Kelley Blue Book new-vehicle sales report enumerating electric vehicle sales.

www.coxautoinc.com

source

https://www.coxautoinc.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Q4-2023-Kelley-Blue-Book-Electric-Vehicle-Sales-Report.pdf

Its actually 7.6%, not 9%, "EV growth will continue to slow, and in the year ahead, we may even report the first quarter-over-quarter sales decline"

Also, be very careful reading hype, propoganda, whatever anyone is selling. Everyone might have an "agenda". Sometimes "they" lump EVs in with plug in hybrids and they are NOT the same. If it has a gasoline engines, its a different beast but it makes their statistics look better.

Just saying, Statistics, lies and more lies, .... spin.

 

[EdwardATX]

As someone who has driven most exciting performance vehicles over the years and usually change yearly all I can say is almost 2 years owning my first EV and this is the first car out of all of them that I genuinely have enjoyed every minute and anyone who knows me would tell you I just don’t get attached to cars. It’s a completely different experience, it wouldn’t be my first choice for a blast up a country road but for 95% of my driving it’s easily the best car by far.

This is exactly right. And we are on Macan forum, not the GT2 / GT3 RS sub-forum on RL -- no one here is doing HPDE track days monthly in their Macan. The readers here are the top 1% of most enthusiastic Macan owners; the other 99% of Macan owners are just doing workaday tasks like driving to the office or grocery store in a much better-than-average CUV. For those folks, an EV will be just fine.

For the folks who drive cross-country, that's the exception. Porsche's market studies about its buyer demographic show that Porsche owners will fly if the distance is >300 miles, hence the Taycan & Macan EV's range target. But in the event one needs to drive 800+ miles in a day, why not rent a car? Just like you'd rent an RV or camper if you were planning to camp by a national park.

Landline phones had >100 years to mature, but smartphones sure caught up fast. I wouldn't bet against EV.

 

[grim]

2. Manual transmission cars were 1.7% of the new car market last year [Jalopnik/WSJ]. EVs were 9% of all new car sales in 2023 [Fortune].

No one is saying automakers should kill off manual transmission cars. In fact, it's enthusiasts who are saving the manual. (I did my part by buying a 992 Carrera T with 7MT last year!) So why the hate for EVs, which are more numerous than manual transmission cars?

Part II

Apples and Oranges. The MARKET has decided it doesn't want MT, not any government. Its a totally different subject.

By the mid-60s, there were predictions automatic transmissions would kill MT. It didn't happen. Why not? Because the MT was quicker and better mileage. Today the opposite it true. Bye Bye MT. The market has spoken.

The free market is not speaking in the EV world where "mandates" are forcing the issue. Another analogy.

Incandescent bulbs were banned. People HORDED them. They were dirt cheap, could be bought by the case. Buy CFLs! Yeah, no, the horror stories came out about if you break them, it spills mercury and don't touch them, don't vacuum them, and people hated. They were not accepted. Then LEDs, the price was high, not accepted until the prices fell way down. Now the market place has settled as a free market as prices have dropped to reasonable levels, you can use them in enclosed fixtures and wet locations, and CFLs are a bad dream in a far away place.

OTOH, Coca Cola FORCED people to buy "New Coke" Oops, Big failure. they had to bring back "Classic Coke". Don't mess with success.

 

[grim]

But to build off of that infrastructure argument and America specifically, unless you've traveled abroad extensively, you would think smartphones and Internet in America is fine. And then you realize 5G in Asia is 10X as fast at 1/10th the price. Guess why? Complacency with what we have installed, among carriers and consumers. The same thing is happening with payments -- no civilized country does credit card mag stripe swipe, yet I did that for gas the other night.

This is a problem of SUCCESS, of INNOVATION, of being FIRST. The major powers, on both sides, made tech advantages from WWII, including Germany inventing synthetic gas. After WWII these inventions became mainstream in the US. Every home got a TV, got major appliances, and new electronics. The country was built out on copper. POTS was pushed out to the most rural areas.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world was, lets say lacking in some tech. Its now "today". We have this massive POTS system sitting and now rotting in houses while much of the ROW had nothing. All the innovation, new inventions went to the major powers (e.g, UK, US, etc) and some other country had no innovations.

Suddenly, they got everything. Some company goes into the country and puts in 5G. They have the latest tech while some people in the US have 3G, or whatever. See? Thats the price of being first.

Think of like TVs today. As a kid, I got to see THREE stations, live, on a B&W 19" TV. Today, a 10 year old can watch ANY show they want, in 4K, streamed to their phone. They have ZERO life experience that a 50 year old has today and have no idea what its like to have to wait for OTA B&W live broadcasts. IOW, they have instant tech. They never had to go through the innovations.

So "no civilized country" does credit car mag stripe swipe? I had to do it the other day. Cause "we" live in a country where the tech has existed for decades and the entire infrastructure has to be updated. How long, since the 70s? while the other countries got it recently. See the difference? Its the price of being "first".

I don't think its "complacency" but the vast cost of upgrading major components of this huge country. Meanwhile, the new kids of the block get all the new tech toys ... instantly. See?

 

[grim]

I foresee EV versus ICE going the same way. Let the enthusiasts keep ICE cars. I want my 911 to run forever, and I hope my son can buy a 911 someday. But let's please move on from the "EVs won't happen!" argument, because they will regardless of what Americans think. And America will get left in the dust as other countries advance technologically. We will figure out all the thorny problems (public charging, electrical grid, energy density). It's just a matter of time and whether Americans want to lead or follow.

I disagree with this. Its just opinions but it builds on the last part. We HAVE infrastructure that needs to be replaced. It will take decades. Nothing happens instantly unless you had nothing to begin with. We are a victim of our own success.

The US had MANY things other countries do not have and don't really care. A very simple thing we all see is the metric system. Maybe 30 years ago there was a push to change the Imperial system to metric and failed. So today while the world uses KM and Grams, we use miles and ounces and don't really care what the ROW uses.

There are others areas I cannot go into because they will fall into the "Controversal" areas and be against the rules so I can't say much here other than to look around. Just think about what things are allowed in the US but are NEVER allowed in other countries. And these things are likely to never be changed.

So no, I don't buy into things will change unless "Market" driven. The last time a major thing in the US was changed was Prohibition. That worked out well. Another amendment had to be ratified to repeal it.

Sure, EVs will happen, and hopefully in a free market. Let the consumer decide. Just like the consumer decided what Coca Cola could do with their "New Coke". And if we get left in the Dust? So what? We are still using pounds, ounces, inches, etc and doing just fine. I can't go into the "controversial" areas so I just tried to discuss your points. The infrastructure will change in due course, just as POTS gave way to Cable and gave way to fiber. But it aint going to happen in the same time frame as a third world country that had no infrastructure to speak of.

 

[grim]

I would not be so sure about the range numbers that are claimed.

The ranges numbers don't jive. Just look at the youtube video above from the reporter.

The repair costs are terrible. The financial news today had on about Hertz cutting their loses. If the car is damage, they just right it off. They are just too costly to repair, and I guess insure.

 

[Footie]

The ranges numbers don't jive. Just look at the youtube video above from the reporter.

The repair costs are terrible. The financial news today had on about Hertz cutting their loses. If the car is damage, they just right it off. They are just too costly to repair, and I guess insure.

On this we agree, people treat a hire car completely different to how they would treat their own car and a only 3mm deep area of damage on the floor of an EV no matter how small will cause it to be written off.

EVs and the Rent industry are like oil and water.

 

[grim]

Imagine telling ICE owners to install a gas tank, and refill, at home.

There is a lot more to this regarding infrastructure.

So people bought properties, built gas stations, and invested in their business. Everyone who buys gas pays back a bit of that investment. Nothing is free. So the owners survive, make money. They store and DISTRIBUTE the gas.

Under this EV scheme, YOU, the homeowner, are expected to be the gas distributer, not the gas stations. You don't store the electrons, you transfer them to your EV. So what is the ROI? Nothing that I see. Any argument about the price of the house will go up I consider BS. What if the buyer don't care? It might increase your cost basis but it might not matter.

And this is where I have an issue, my issue. This is ESPECIALLY true if you got 2, 3, 4 or more cars and they all got to be charged. I don't buy into this just do it for one EV. IF, and that's a big IF, this is the future, one has to plan for ALL the cars, and whoever just builds out for one car is going to be wishing they put in a minimum of TWO charging systems.

This matters for AMPs and your electric service. Its not just a matter of two chargers. Its a matter of a wide enough pipe to shove the electrons through your house. And I don't buy into any argument about well, "just unplug one and plug in the other". That won't happen.

This is a real issue, the upfront cost for the homeowner and in @trusted case of the Condo owner, there is no way I'd pay $18K for one car? What about the second car in the household, another $18K? 😅 yeah, NO.

 

[yrralis1]

There is a lot more to this regarding infrastructure.

So people bought properties, built gas stations, and invested in their business. Everyone who buys gas pays back a bit of that investment. Nothing is free. So the owners survive, make money. They store and DISTRIBUTE the gas.

Under this EV scheme, YOU, the homeowner, are expected to be the gas distributer, not the gas stations. You don't store the electrons, you transfer them to your EV. So what is the ROI? Nothing that I see. Any argument about the price of the house will go up I consider BS. What if the buyer don't care? It might increase your cost basis but it might not matter.

And this is where I have an issue, my issue. This is ESPECIALLY true if you got 2, 3, 4 or more cars and they all got to be charged. I don't buy into this just do it for one EV. IF, and that's a big IF, this is the future, one has to plan for ALL the cars, and whoever just builds out for one car is going to be wishing they put in a minimum of TWO charging systems.

This matters for AMPs and your electric service. Its not just a matter of two chargers. Its a matter of a wide enough pipe to shove the electrons through your house. And I don't buy into any argument about well, "just unplug one and plug in the other". That won't happen.

This is a real issue, the upfront cost for the homeowner and in @trusted case of the Condo owner, there is no way I'd pay $18K for one car? What about the second car in the household, another $18K? 😅 yeah, NO.

Grim- as hard as they are trying to lobby the case for EV in this country it must be 10 times harder in Europe. The masses will form a herd mentality just like they did with diesel cars. This time around the stakes are higher and the downside pain is also higher.

I am in full agreement with you that the homeowner should not have to go out and buy components which will become dated as these batteries become updated.

I also agree with you about the hybrid being a completely different vehicle and I have mixed feelings. I was told you have to charge it once a month and that the battery can run off the car. At least you’re not stranded, but at the same token, this is just a weaning off process, I think the hybrid will become dated if their goal is EV.

Chevrolet still makes v8 mid engine, Corvette. They even have a Z06 which is nearly as fast as a 911 turbo S. Ford is still making muscle cars. The American car industry is thumbing their nose at this but at the same time, putting money into this to the scale. I never imagined I would look at American cars. It may come to that at some point since I believe they will be the last ones standing.

 

[Footie]

America is a different animal to pretty much anywhere else in the world, when the rest of the world was down sizing their engines and making them more efficient the good old US stuck doggedly to their huge gas guzzling engined cars for what seemed an eternity and to be honest it’s probably still this way for most so if there’s anywhere that change will be slow to catch on it will be there.

As @grim pointed out the internal electrics of most American homes aren’t up to scratch for home changing and chances are most American homes would struggle to buy the new EV and then add the expense of adding a charger, those that want to switch to EV and can afford will so I still reckon due to America’s sheer numbers Porsche will sell as many EVs there as most other countries. The only thing I am not sure about is whether many would switch all their cars over to EV straight away, I wouldn’t and I’m a convert. I am sure at some point in the not too distance future both our main cars will be EVs but I think by that time the infrastructure and battery technology will be such that you call in to your charging station and top up in much the same way as you current do at your gas station.

In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if future EV can’t be charged at home but I imagine by that point a top up will take 5-10 mins and running costs will be similar to what you currently pay to run you ICE.

You look at how quickly things have advanced within the past 10 years, I reckon within the next 10 the EV will leave the ICE equivalent miles behind.

Our problem is we are only seeing the here and now not what’s in the development pipeline, it’s the main reason why I won’t buy my next car either EV or ICE for the wife, both will be leased before the future is so volatile.

 

[grim]

Here is an article arguing against the anti-ev argument. Parts of it are reasonable.

The Arguments Against EVs Are All Bad

Growing pains aren’t dealbreakers.

heatmap.news

But notice they dont talk about what I consider to be the dealbreaker, ie, the sunk costs.

 

[meerec]

Australia 🇦🇺 is ready for Macan EV yay!!

I’ve been driving a Mini EV for three years now and love it … there’s very little, if anything, to go wrong with it, my service costs me $0 every year (Mini included it free of charge for 4 years and it comes down to inspection and replacing the a/c filter). This year I replaced two front tires after 3 years, the brakes are still at 100%. All my charging is done at home from energy coming from my roof. My “infrastructure“ for charging on the wall cost me less than AUD 2,000 installed. The same wall box charger will supply energy to Macan EV soon !! Yay … Never have blackouts, brownouts or whatever here.

The new Macan looks stunning … many of you may have seen this video released some 15 hours ago by Porsche.
The development of Macan EV