[Robert M]

There is no way the cable is $1000, I bought a spare for £80 off Amazon so either the companies are ripping off US customers or some reporter has got her wires crossed about the price.

Not wanting to take this off topic and away from the discussion of the Macan but clearly there must be a lot of despair people needing money for stuff to steal a bit of cable.

Methamphetamine addiction makes people do desperate things. They will spend hours stealing a few pounds of copper wire to recycle so they can get their next fix. Catalytic converter thieves are usually more organized groups and they new millions of dollars in recycling money.

California family members plead guilty in $600M nationwide catalytic converter theft scheme

Three members of a California family have pleaded guilty to conspiracy for their role in a ring that shipped $600 million worth of stolen catalytic converters from California to New Jersey.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Footie]

Methamphetamine addiction makes people do desperate things. They will spend hours stealing a few pounds of copper wire to recycle so they can get their next fix. Catalytic converter thieves are usually more organized groups and they new millions of dollars in recycling money.

California family members plead guilty in $600M nationwide catalytic converter theft scheme

Three members of a California family have pleaded guilty to conspiracy for their role in a ring that shipped $600 million worth of stolen catalytic converters from California to New Jersey.

www.cbsnews.com

Wasn’t wanting to mention the obvious social problems that are more prominent in the US than here but they are the only group I can see want to be bothered doing such a thing. Also without being an electrician is there not a chance of getting electrocuted from cutting the cable.

 

[Robert M]

Wasn’t wanting to mention the obvious social problems that are more prominent in the US than here but they are the only group I can see want to be bothered doing such a thing. Also without being an electrician is there not a chance of getting electrocuted from cutting the cable.

Meth addicts will strip copper wire right out of an electrical panel. They don't care. And I didn't mention it to get into a debate about social problems either. But it does explain why people will risk electrocution for copper wire. I don't really like debating social problems because when you point a finger there are always three more pointing back at you. Meth addicts do stupid stuff cocaine addicts don't do.

 

[grim]

Copper theft is real, an article from TEN years ago

Copper theft 'like an epidemic' sweeping US

Copper is used in homes, by utilities and for a number of industrial processes, and increasingly, thieves are going after the metal anywhere they can find it.

www.cnbc.com

today

Copper thieves strike south Minneapolis American Legion, causing thousands of dollars in damage

Wold-Chamberlain American Legion Post #99 is hoping to raise $15,000 for AC units and security upgrades. They are hopeful to get that all done before summer begins.

www.cbsnews.com

Copper Thieves Are Cutting Electric Car Charging Cables and Stealing Them

“They actually cut it while it was charging somebody’s car," an employee at a targeted business told Motherboard.

www.vice.com

 

[Footie]

Meth addicts will strip copper wire right out of an electrical panel. They don't care. And I didn't mention it to get into a debate about social problems either. But it does explain why people will risk electrocution for copper wire. I don't really like debating social problems because when you point a finger there are always three more pointing back at you. Meth addicts do stupid stuff cocaine addicts don't do.

Yeah Walt and Jesse have a lot to answer for when I get my charging cable nicked.

 

[grim]

This is why we cant have nice things. Youtube is full of these videos, something I did not know

 

[grim]

Some insurers wont insure EV, cost is outrageous

 

[Footie]

We have a business car insurance policy with several staff and ourselves on it. A total of 9 cars are on the policy 2 of which are fully EVs, my i4M50 and the brother’s Taycan CT 4S, our price didn’t go up one bit and the only changes was a slight increase in the access on both EVs and no one under 25 could drive either of our EVs which was the same when I owned the M5 Competition.

I am not saying that some of this isn’t true but from my experience and anyone I have spoken to recently all say the same thing that they haven’t had an issue getting insurance and the prices are a bit dearer than the previous year but in line with what is happening with insurance prices across the board.

 

[grim]

We have a business car insurance policy with several staff and ourselves on it. A total of 9 cars are on the policy 2 of which are fully EVs, my i4M50 and the brother’s Taycan CT 4S, our price didn’t go up one bit and the only changes was a slight increase in the access on both EVs and no one under 25 could drive either of our EVs which was the same when I owned the M5 Competition.

I am not saying that some of this isn’t true but from my experience and anyone I have spoken to recently all say the same thing that they haven’t had an issue getting insurance and the prices are a bit dearer than the previous year but in line with what is happening with insurance prices across the board.

Every state is different. Location matters.

 

[Footie]

Every state is different. Location matters.

Location is as much to do with insurance prices as is age and past history or whether it’s an ICE or EV.

 

[yrralis1]

Hahaha I’ve been thinking exactly the same. Replace my GTS I only bought a year ago with the latest model … got to order in the next 3 months or you may miss the opportunity…

I’m reading this thread and I’m not understanding it. Why would you want a vehicle that has been legislatively forced on you in its first year of production with all the potential quirks? I look at the service advisor at my dealership with his head in his hands, staring at the Taycan . They are eons behind companies like Tesla, in terms of getting things done even though the quality and refinement is above in the Porsche. His exact words to me were “when they break they really break”.

Electric vehicles have become like cult. There are people who walk around thinking that they can present the image of saving the universe. They are basically fake do gooders. Governments are hoping that people will buy into this until everybody has one. At that point the dynamics will change. The price of electricity will climb. The incentives that they presented to get you in the car will vanish. Charging will depend on your region and how well they can develop the infrastructure.

You have the best Macan made in the eight years of production. It will be sought after if the EV fails to be quite honest with you I don’t know how it can match the success of this current car. There will be the initial people that run to get it. But after all that novelty erodes you have a dated golf cart that cost $150,000. New batteries will come out. Hybrids will be fused into this. We haven’t even gotten up to the possibility of alternative fuels which, by the way Porsche is testing.

You can always buy this car when it improves or fails when people start pitching them. Don’t think for a second that the minute some piece of legislation goes back to ice that people aren’t going to run to buy it. Why do you think that Porsche is doing everything they can to preserve their nest the 911. It’s the only model that will not become a EV and that order say something in itself.

 

[grim]

Post 191 moved here vice Aussie specific thread as a more general ev question

 

[Footie]

I’m reading this thread and I’m not understanding it. Why would you want a vehicle that has been legislatively forced on you in its first year of production with all the potential quirks? I look at the service advisor at my dealership with his head in his hands, staring at the Taycan . They are eons behind companies like Tesla, in terms of getting things done even though the quality and refinement is above in the Porsche. His exact words to me were “when they break they really break”.

Electric vehicles have become like cult. There are people who walk around thinking that they can present the image of saving the universe. They are basically fake do gooders. Governments are hoping that people will buy into this until everybody has one. At that point the dynamics will change. The price of electricity will climb. The incentives that they presented to get you in the car will vanish. Charging will depend on your region and how well they can develop the infrastructure.

You have the best Macan made in the eight years of production. It will be sought after if the EV fails to be quite honest with you I don’t know how it can match the success of this current car. There will be the initial people that run to get it. But after all that novelty erodes you have a dated golf cart that cost $150,000. New batteries will come out. Hybrids will be fused into this. We haven’t even gotten up to the possibility of alternative fuels which, by the way Porsche is testing.

You can always buy this car when it improves or fails when people start pitching them. Don’t think for a second that the minute some piece of legislation goes back to ice that people aren’t going to run to buy it. Why do you think that Porsche is doing everything they can to preserve their nest the 911. It’s the only model that will not become a EV and that order say something in itself.

The only reason why electricity price would go up is the loss of revenue from the duty of fuel but they can’t shift the price of electricity because it’s not unique to the car in that every appliance in your house uses it so they can’t separate what is the car and what isn’t. The most likely thing that will happen is road tax will change from a yearly thing to the miles your car covers which frankly they should have done years ago because a fixed price for road tax when one person does 5K per year and another does 50K per year isn’t fair.

The only negative I see against the Macan is new technology they have designed for it and the Q6 which will probably be rolled out through the entire lineup eventually, the tech in the Taycan isn’t very good, in fact compared to my i4 it’s crap something both my brother and I agree on, he admits the Taycan is the drivers car or the two but to live with it’s the i4 he would pick if he could.

So whilst my deposit has been down since mid 2022 I am still very hesitant about committing to buying one until I see how robust this new tech is.

 

[Jimbob26]

I see EV's as a solution to a non existent problem. The next 5 years or so will be telling...will EV fires increase, will insurance premiums go up on these things, and what will home insurers do if you have one in your garage. The charging infrastructure is way behind being adequate where I live ( Australia ). I have no desire to ever own one, but can see that those that live in inner city areas and do lots of local driving and short trips could make a case to have one. Did Porsche make a big mistake even getting involved with EV's...only time will tell. I also see what appears to be a lot of Taycans for sale as Porsche CPO secondhand vehicles here locally,most only a year or two old. Why...most leases are three years, so it strikes me as odd that there are quite a few that have been traded back to Porsche. Maybe just coincidence or they may have been Porsche staff cars.

Regardess, it is going to be interesting to see how EV's play out over time.

I’m not sold on EVs yet. Range issues, infrastructure issues, and who wants to stand around for 30 minutes at a charging station. My wife has a BMW 5 series hybrid, which loves for around town. Drive it, bring it home and plug it in. Take it on a long trip as it has an ICE. BUT, I pick up my new Macan GTS this weekend and both of us wanted the traditional gasoline car. Go anywhere, goes like a scalded dog, and you get to feel the mechanicals. The hybrid is great for what we use it for, but no EV for me. One last point- I mentioned to my son that his 2 year old daughter would likely never get to enjoy the experience of shifting a powerful ICE car by the time she can drive. Very sad.

 

[oqjnLu@>@W]

You can always buy this car when it improves or fails when people start pitching them. Don’t think for a second that the minute some piece of legislation goes back to ice that people aren’t going to run to buy it. Why do you think that Porsche is doing everything they can to preserve their nest the 911. It’s the only model that will not become a EV and that order say something in itself.

Porsche has already made public their plan to create a hybrid 911. It seems like it would only be a matter of time before it would become all electric.

 

[Footie]

Porsche has already made public their plan to create a hybrid 911. It seems like it would only be a matter of time before it would become all electric.

If there is one model in their lineup which will resist the switch to full EV then I think it’s the 911.

 

[Footie]

BTW I have the Lotus Eletre on loan over the next couple of days but don’t know where best to post my thoughts so if the mods can help where to post I would be grateful.

 

[yrralis1]

Porsche has already made public their plan to create a hybrid 911. It seems like it would only be a matter of time before it would become all electric.

They are fighting tooth and nail to preserve it.

 

[yrralis1]

The only reason why electricity price would go up is the loss of revenue from the duty of fuel but they can’t shift the price of electricity because it’s not unique to the car in that every appliance in your house uses it so they can’t separate what is the car and what isn’t. The most likely thing that will happen is road tax will change from a yearly thing to the miles your car covers which frankly they should have done years ago because a fixed price for road tax when one person does 5K per year and another does 50K per year isn’t fair.

The only negative I see against the Macan is new technology they have designed for it and the Q6 which will probably be rolled out through the entire lineup eventually, the tech in the Taycan isn’t very good, in fact compared to my i4 it’s crap something both my brother and I agree on, he admits the Taycan is the drivers car or the two but to live with it’s the i4 he would pick if he could.

So whilst my deposit has been down since mid 2022 I am still very hesitant about committing to buying one until I see how robust this new tech is.

You’re looking at this through the logistics, pay the simple business and if it is if everyone is trapped in one type of source and all the control goes onto that source.

With oil there are multiple competing parties. With electricity, it will become more narrow to the region.

 

[grim]

The only reason why electricity price would go up is the loss of revenue from the duty of fuel but they can’t shift the price of electricity because it’s not unique to the car

Sure they can in the US and do today. They know EXACTLY where the electricity is going because, as we discussed, it has to have a permit, it goes through a separate panel, at least usually, its a 64 AMP service, and check each state they can have different RATES because they want you to charge off peak.

So yes, they can charge whatever they want for that "special" charger.

BTW I have the Lotus Eletre on loan over the next couple of days but don’t know where best to post my thoughts so if the mods can help where to post I would be grateful.

Here, under Other Vehicle Discussion

https://www.macanforum.com/forums/other-vehicle-discussion.130/