[limulus]

The Alfa Romeo Stelvio is headed our way. Supposedly, it will have a Ferrari sourced engine with 550HP. From the short time I've been here, I already know some are going to say it is not a competitor. You are welcome to your opinion. I think Porsche will have to address the situation. They have been king of the hill in this segment for a few years and if you sit on your arse long enough the others will over take you. So the PP is probably not too late. But again, maybe it is too late. It will be beaten in power by 100HP.

 

[BossHoss]

The Alfa Romeo Stelvio is headed our way. Supposedly, it will have a Ferrari sourced engine with 550HP. From the short time I've been here, I already know some are going to say it is not a competitor. You are welcome to your opinion. I think Porsche will have to address the situation. They have been king of the hill in this segment for a few years and if you sit on your arse long enough the others will over take you. So the PP is probably not too late. But again, maybe it is too late. It will be beaten in power by 100HP.

I don't worry that HP alone will cause a most/many to go somewhere else.

For me anyway--it takes Quality, Reliability, Service and Service Availability, Fit and Finish, Function, Aesthetics, and even a bit of Desirability.


If I am not mistaken, Cobb can add a bunch of HP to our Macans for a $1,000 or so.

 

[yrralis1]

The Alfa Romeo Stelvio is headed our way. Supposedly, it will have a Ferrari sourced engine with 550HP. From the short time I've been here, I already know some are going to say it is not a competitor. You are welcome to your opinion. I think Porsche will have to address the situation. They have been king of the hill in this segment for a few years and if you sit on your arse long enough the others will over take you. So the PP is probably not too late. But again, maybe it is too late. It will be beaten in power by 100HP.

I had two Alfa Romeo cars in the 1970's . They were beautifully designed but terribly engineered . I don't care how good it may look or perform for an auto journalist test . i will never buy one again . Even if I won the car in a raffle I would sell it.

 

[treefrog]

I don't know the answer the question originally posted, but my T+PP is on order and scheduled for arrival on April 7. That is a little later than I'd like but it will still be a good party when it arrives.

 

[limulus]

I had two Alfa Romeo cars in the 1970's . They were beautifully designed but terribly engineered . I don't care how good it may look or perform for an auto journalist test . i will never buy one again . Even if I won the car in a raffle I would sell it.

I posted something like that on another forum and man did I get reamed. I actually apologized since I've never owned an Alfa and was only going on word of mouth. I could not say anything about the Macan since mine is still on a ship. Whether the Alfa is good or bad, it is attractive in many ways and people will consider it and that makes it a competitor to Porsche. I am with you on the raffle thing. I would sell it too.

 

[cpiguy]

I have my new T-PP coming in February as well. Built a pretty loaded car at around $120k and am very excited to see her. As far as the Alpha, things have changed over the years and time will tell if they have reliability issues. All I can say is when I visited the Ferrari factory in September, there where more Alpha Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio's in the employee parking lot than any other car. Time will tell.

 

[albertporter]

I had two Alfa Romeo cars in the 1970's . They were beautifully designed but terribly engineered . I don't care how good it may look or perform for an auto journalist test . i will never buy one again . Even if I won the car in a raffle I would sell it.

I remember seeing my first Alfa in a showroom, a leftover 1969 Alfa Romeo Duetto Spider at a Fiat dealer here in Dallas. I bought that one (mine was white with black interior) and it was absolutely cool to look at and drive. Not a lot of power but very unique at that time in our part of the world.

Then I had the unfortunate experience of it's low hanging ribbed aluminum oil pan that could not clear a dip in the road. Any solid strike would break off the bottom, sending oil out onto the roadway.

That happened to me and fortunately I felt the bang, saw the debris and oil slick and immediately killed the engine.

I coasted off the freeway and pushed the last few feet into a gas station and was stuck for two days waiting for parts. All of which could have been avoided with a bit of common sense engineering at Alpha or at least, an oil pan guard which dealers eventually came up with and added to customer cars at extra cost.

Warranty would have paid precisely zero had I not reacted. That incident could have blown the engine, zero oil is devastating to any engine. I'm sure their designs are better now but that experience made me cautious of the brand forever.

 

[WHT TGR]

I remember seeing my first Alfa in a showroom, a leftover 1969 Alfa Romeo Duetto Spider at a Fiat dealer here in Dallas. I bought that one (mine was white with black interior) and it was absolutely cool to look at and drive. Not a lot of power but very unique at that time in our part of the world.

Then I had the unfortunate experience of it's low hanging ribbed aluminum oil pan that could not clear a dip in the road. Any solid strike would break off the bottom, sending oil out onto the roadway.

That happened to me and fortunately I felt the bang, saw the debris and oil slick and immediately killed the engine.

I coasted off the freeway and pushed the last few feet into a gas station and was stuck for two days waiting for parts. All of which could have been avoided with a bit of common sense engineering at Alpha or at least, an oil pan guard which dealers eventually came up with and added to customer cars at extra cost.

Warranty would have paid precisely zero had I not reacted. That incident could have blown the engine, zero oil is devastating to any engine. I'm sure their designs are better now but that experience made me cautious of the brand forever.

Yikes! I guess that turned it from Alfa Romeo to, Afraid Romeo.


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[twofish]

Having heard the Alpha Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio go by me on a test track, I can tell you that it sounded incredible. I don't know what the redline is on that engine, but he had to be in the high 7s.

Will be curious to see how their SUV performs with it, but don't think I will have any regrets with my Turbo PP due mid March.

 

[Macanuck]

Alfa, not Alpha folks. Really.

 

[WHT TGR]

I guess you mean, peeps gotta learn the "Alpha Beta Charlies " of car names


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[Buckfever]

I don't know that it's late to the party so much as there is the lack of clarity regarding the Turbo S designation. I think the segmentation makes sense. You need that slot above the Turbo that combines the GTS suspension with the Turbo. The PP does it, it fills the slot, but is it the top dog? I think that question hurts it.

 

[Steve2]

Not sure how/why this thread got sidetracked to Alfas, but back to the topic:
I think the Turbo with Performance Package hits a sweet spot. They couldn't in good conscience call it a Turbo S without PCCB and another $8k. Under the hood, Porsche calls it "Exclusive Powerkit".
I like it just the way it is, and have started to look for one. 3.9s 0-60 mph is very impressive. I also like the bigger than Turbo steel brakes, but was surprised to see those slotted front rotors. I don't recall Porsche using many slotted steel rotors. It's nice the also lowered it. I would probably want it lower yet via the PIWIS software change. The PP looks like a great buy compared to what the Cayenne offer, and the Macan fits in my small garage better too. I prefer the PDK and the way my Macan Turbo drove vis a vis my earlier-owned Cayenne GTS. Now if I could just find a PP with my preferred options, or an order slot...

 

[Len Walsh]

Just in time PP

Not sure how/why this thread got sidetracked to Alfas, but back to the topic:
I think the Turbo with Performance Package hits a sweet spot. They couldn't in good conscience call it a Turbo S without PCCB and another $8k. Under the hood, Porsche calls it "Exclusive Powerkit".
I like it just the way it is, and have started to look for one. 3.9s 0-60 mph is very impressive. I also like the bigger than Turbo steel brakes, but was surprised to see those slotted front rotors. I don't recall Porsche using many slotted steel rotors. It's nice the also lowered it. I would probably want it lower yet via the PIWIS software change. The PP looks like a great buy compared to what the Cayenne offer, and the Macan fits in my small garage better too. I prefer the PDK and the way my Macan Turbo drove vis a vis my earlier-owned Cayenne GTS. Now if I could just find a PP with my preferred options, or an order slot...

I agree with all this except that mine has every available option I wanted, and is lowered a further 40mm for handling and looks. Porsche are likely to introduce their 2.9 ltr donk before going electric too, so I'm very glad indeed to have this rare and rapid model. >

The PP is so rare that nobody has managed to publish anything more than driving impressions to date, and most of those are in the snow.

 

[TheBrit]

I have driven a Turbo PP around the PEC.

I was driving it as hard as I could only last Monday on a range day.

The handling is impecable for a two tonne suv, much more precise with far less body roll than a standard Turbo. The GTS suspension that is used is much superior to the suspension setup used on other Macans.

The engine is even more responsive with instant pick up and strong drive out of corners, whilst only 40 horses more than standard the PP feels as though it has more.

 

[yrralis1]

I have driven a Turbo PP around the PEC.

I was driving it as hard as I could only last Monday on a range day.

The handling is impecable for a two tonne suv, much more precise with far less body roll than a standard Turbo. The GTS suspension that is used is much superior to the suspension setup used on other Macans.

The engine is even more responsive with instant pick up and strong drive out of corners, whilst only 40 horses more than standard the PP feels as though it has more.

I do feel the Turbo PP is the ideal Macan at the time . A GTS suspension with more Hp is very appealing . It still will be heavy and cant escape being an SUV .
Porsche overall has done a great job with the Macan but two tons with 4 doors raised high in the air is an unusual recipe for performance.

 

[TheBrit]

I do feel the Turbo PP is the ideal Macan at the time . A GTS suspension with more Hp is very appealing . It still will be heavy and cant escape being an SUV .
Porsche overall has done a great job with the Macan but two tons with 4 doors raised high in the air is an unusual recipe for performance.

Totally agree.

I did a couple of laps in comfort mode and the ride did feel more like my Turbo in Sport+ mode.

If you have read my post on the Range Day you will have read that an Instructor in the Turbo PP caught me in a 911 C 4 GTS such is the capabilities of the T PP in the hands of a highly skilled driver.

 

[Skinsfan]

It may not be a "sports car" but it sure is king of the CUVs.

 

[Shodoc]

Macan turbo with PP impressions

I took delivery of my new macan 3 weeks ago and honestly couldn't be happier. I've had 3 Cayenne turbos all fairly loaded and also had a new Pana GTS. The ride comfort combined with insane handling was best in the Pana GTS and this new macan turbo pp is very close to this feel. The overall ergonomics inside are great and I got the 18 way seats coupled with the interior turbo package with alcantera. I have most options other than ceramic brakes. The standard brakes are awesome. I feel the air suspension is great and definitely feel differences between comfort and sport. I drive in sport mode most often and find it practical fun performance but not over the top for every day driving. The acceleration is just insane onto highways. Most enjoyable is having the smoothness of the PDK in this SUV. The look and stance of the GTS but with the very significant bump in power is great. I most recently was driving a audi sq5 and have to say there is no comparison. I even drove a brand New sq5 as a loaner and again no comparison to the macan fit and finish. I'm a huge audi fan too as we have a newer q7 and another q5 2.0.

I live in Boston area so need my snows and rumor has it my 19" Hartman wheels with ET 25 may fit on this macan??

 

[moremoney]

Four days and counting:laugh:

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