I was interested in the new EV Macan but now feel disappointed after today's reveal. The only impressive announcement was the supposed, potential maximum range. The increased size, weight and high prices have put me off considering it as a replacement for my current GTS.
Disappointed with the new Macan EV
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...Agree with you, who like the design, even though it comes a little bit like a used piece of soap, originally shaped as an ICE Macan. Anyway, better in my eyes than what BMW with their "transformer toy" design proposes...what I don't like is the somewhat visible thick battery pack line, could have been hidden better by the door's shape according to my taste...and the "strange" lower front spoiler protruding from the silhouette, maybe the offroad spoiler option cures this?
What bothers me, and I am not a fan of Tesla, is the lack of spirit in technical data sheet performance. Reach and power maybe OK, but both version's acceleration on paper is not what I had hoped for. After sleeping over it, I came to conclusion that probably the rear 2-speed gearbox (Taycan) is missing, in both Audi and Bosch engines, to give the heavy chassis/battery brick the necessary punch to buzz...at least for my pleasure when spending that much more money.
What bothers me, and I am not a fan of Tesla, is the lack of spirit in technical data sheet performance. Reach and power maybe OK, but both version's acceleration on paper is not what I had hoped for. After sleeping over it, I came to conclusion that probably the rear 2-speed gearbox (Taycan) is missing, in both Audi and Bosch engines, to give the heavy chassis/battery brick the necessary punch to buzz...at least for my pleasure when spending that much more money.
Yes, I am also seriously underwhelmed. After looking at lots of online photos and videos of the new Macan EV I just think it looks very plain and similar to a boring £50k Audi....certainly nothing like what I was expecting from a £100k Porsche.
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After purchasing and enjoying the Audi E-tron . . . which was a fun disappointment . . . . I mean you mash the pedal twice and get rocketed . . . after that it's "just an electric car". Frankly few folks need to go from 0-60 in 3 seconds in daily use. The styling of the EV Macan seems to have lost the sensual shapes and curves that first drew me in. I am not a fan of the goofy wheels (and I am certain there is a reason . . . . probably the regenerative braking or maybe Tonka has some dirt on Porsche) . . . but they don't do it for me.
Porsche has had plenty of time to get this right. We have threads going back several years about the imminent release of EV and demise of ICE. I note some sloppy flaws in the configurator . . . or perhaps it really does have a 87 inch heads up display . . . but charging a couple thousand $$$ and then adding that disclaimer about polarized sunglasses had me seeing $$ flittering away in the breeze. C'mon . . . . the heads up displays in both our 2022 Audis are fine. I don't recall, which makes me think it was not a memorable number, what they cost but they provide what I want/need and are adjustable for brilliance and hight on the windshield. I need "augmented reality" like a kick in the shins. The difference between augmented and demented seems vague.
I have not yet started looking at things like weight yet but after a career of trying to find ways to shave ounces off racing motorcycles (we did so good that we had to add "parasite weight" to come up to minimum weight and we were awarded "best handling motorcycle in the world" that year. We also put the first inverted forks on a motorcycle which drew lots of attention and was widely copied) and knowing the role weight plays in handling . . . It's going to take some time . . . putting together some funny numbers and ignoring some laws of physics to convince myself regarding the cost/benefit of the added weight (if there is any . . again, I've not gone there yet).
There is a reason that some of the major factories are beginning to abandon the EV idea . . . at least in spirit since they are required, by the government (arguably the worst engineering team imaginable) to produce some quantity. My personal bias is influenced by my chief engineer (top of his class at M.I.T} who enthusiastically bought a Taycan and got rid of it 6 months See you at the Kopp later and watching the better half drive a $100,000+ E-tron with the windows down in 97°F weather and 70% humidity from range anxiety. The Audi has about 220 mile full charged range . . . she drives from Palm Beach (across the street from Mar-A-Lago) to the farm in Wellington (about 12 miles) and runs some errands . . . she never even uses 50% of the range but seems gripped with constant anxiety. Part of my enjoyment of a car is the comfort and relaxation . . . it's a sanctuary. The EV is not . . . again, my personal opinion.
I think there is a place for EV's such as public vehicles . . . vehicles with a natural range profile of 100-200 miles a day with reliable access to charging that works.
At this point . . . . as much fun as those popsicle colors look . . . . I am going to keep an OPEN MIND. Some of the folks here will drive them and more information, real information . . . not based on "what I think". . . will evolve and we will learn more.
Till then . . . . "fill'er up".
Porsche has had plenty of time to get this right. We have threads going back several years about the imminent release of EV and demise of ICE. I note some sloppy flaws in the configurator . . . or perhaps it really does have a 87 inch heads up display . . . but charging a couple thousand $$$ and then adding that disclaimer about polarized sunglasses had me seeing $$ flittering away in the breeze. C'mon . . . . the heads up displays in both our 2022 Audis are fine. I don't recall, which makes me think it was not a memorable number, what they cost but they provide what I want/need and are adjustable for brilliance and hight on the windshield. I need "augmented reality" like a kick in the shins. The difference between augmented and demented seems vague.
I have not yet started looking at things like weight yet but after a career of trying to find ways to shave ounces off racing motorcycles (we did so good that we had to add "parasite weight" to come up to minimum weight and we were awarded "best handling motorcycle in the world" that year. We also put the first inverted forks on a motorcycle which drew lots of attention and was widely copied) and knowing the role weight plays in handling . . . It's going to take some time . . . putting together some funny numbers and ignoring some laws of physics to convince myself regarding the cost/benefit of the added weight (if there is any . . again, I've not gone there yet).
There is a reason that some of the major factories are beginning to abandon the EV idea . . . at least in spirit since they are required, by the government (arguably the worst engineering team imaginable) to produce some quantity. My personal bias is influenced by my chief engineer (top of his class at M.I.T} who enthusiastically bought a Taycan and got rid of it 6 months See you at the Kopp later and watching the better half drive a $100,000+ E-tron with the windows down in 97°F weather and 70% humidity from range anxiety. The Audi has about 220 mile full charged range . . . she drives from Palm Beach (across the street from Mar-A-Lago) to the farm in Wellington (about 12 miles) and runs some errands . . . she never even uses 50% of the range but seems gripped with constant anxiety. Part of my enjoyment of a car is the comfort and relaxation . . . it's a sanctuary. The EV is not . . . again, my personal opinion.
I think there is a place for EV's such as public vehicles . . . vehicles with a natural range profile of 100-200 miles a day with reliable access to charging that works.
At this point . . . . as much fun as those popsicle colors look . . . . I am going to keep an OPEN MIND. Some of the folks here will drive them and more information, real information . . . not based on "what I think". . . will evolve and we will learn more.
Till then . . . . "fill'er up".
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Porsche has always done model design evolution better than anyone, making subtle design and performance improvements that are almost universally lauded and desired out of the gate . . . until now.
This is uncharted territory for Porsche and its best-selling vehicle, BY FAR. The problem is not a matter of consumers simply adapting to changes in design architecture. THE PROBLEM is apparent and not unique to Porsche . . . very few consumers want EVs for numerous reasons mentioned in this thread and other more important reasons not allowed to be mentioned on this forum.
It APPEARS legislators are in control of the market direction and automakers are ‘trapped’ between the legislators and consumers . . . however, ultimately, the consumers control BOTH the legislators and the market.
Porsche APPEARS to be hedging the best they can in the current legislative environment, nonetheless, walking dangerously close to the middle of the road with their best-selling vehicle . . . and we all know what happen when you walk in the middle of the road.
Porsche and other automakers are going to have pick a lane quickly and I can say with certainty the ONLY path to survival is – and will always be – in the consumer lane.
Change is on the horizon and EVs are not part of the future equation.
Remember the motto, ‘drill baby drill’ . . . you are going to hear and witness it a LOT very soon. ICE will be ultimately be replaced, but not by EVs and not any time soon.
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This is uncharted territory for Porsche and its best-selling vehicle, BY FAR. The problem is not a matter of consumers simply adapting to changes in design architecture. THE PROBLEM is apparent and not unique to Porsche . . . very few consumers want EVs for numerous reasons mentioned in this thread and other more important reasons not allowed to be mentioned on this forum.
It APPEARS legislators are in control of the market direction and automakers are ‘trapped’ between the legislators and consumers . . . however, ultimately, the consumers control BOTH the legislators and the market.
Porsche APPEARS to be hedging the best they can in the current legislative environment, nonetheless, walking dangerously close to the middle of the road with their best-selling vehicle . . . and we all know what happen when you walk in the middle of the road.
Porsche and other automakers are going to have pick a lane quickly and I can say with certainty the ONLY path to survival is – and will always be – in the consumer lane.
Change is on the horizon and EVs are not part of the future equation.
Remember the motto, ‘drill baby drill’ . . . you are going to hear and witness it a LOT very soon. ICE will be ultimately be replaced, but not by EVs and not any time soon.
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No more Macan deliveries past July. It's awkward that it's so hard to comply with it but it leads to a 100% EV strategy as of Spring this year. Big bet!
Cybersecurity Law Forces Porsche To Kill Gas-Powered Macan In Europe [Update]
Porsche just debuted the new, all-electric Macan, but production of a gas-powered model will continue for the US and other markets.
www.motor1.com
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The resale/trade value of my GTS just went up, UP, UUUUPP! No interest in the Macan EV at this point. I can't imagine a Porsche without the burble and bark of the exhaust in Sport mode.
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Fascinating that no one mentioned reduced maintenance/service issues or perhaps even lack thereof.
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Well, that's more than offset by the greatly increased price. And if something does happen to the EV drivetrain or control systems, good luck finding a 3rd party shop that will be able to fix it. Or an experienced tech at a dealer for that matter.
That remains to be seen, and is offset by the fact that an ice engine, with proper maintenance, can run for well more than 8 years/100,000 miles. At that point the U.S. mandated warranty on the EV battery runs out and the cost of a battery replacement will exceed the value of the EV car. It’s one of the factors that causes EV cars to lose value quickly.
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Tesla batteries seem to be consistently outlasting those estimates though, often by a large margin.
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You missed you can by Sport Eletric Sound for $490. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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100% agree. You will be totally dependent on the dealer to fix this car.
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You can also buy an imaginary girlfriend and then wonder why it just doesn't cut it.
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Well, with AI that will soon be a $4,995 option when you order your Porsche. 🤣🤣🤣
If you lease it, most likely yes. The Porsche leasing company has been passing the Federal credit on to lessees of the Taycan (against lease payments), so I’m guessing they will do the same for the EV macan. You may get rebates via your state even if you buy.
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After looking at it again today it's the flat front end, bulky c-pillar and flat rear that really makes the design look bulky compared to the ICE version.
Not surprised about the pricing as Porsche has been slowly making their cars more and more expensive as they believe people will pay a premium for the brand and in pursuit of improved profits. Always thought entry into Porsche vs. other luxury cars was low to begin with.
Do love the exterior/interior options. Spec'd a green exterior/tan interior base and after adding all the options it came out over $100k. Mine as well do a Turbo at that point.
Was going to wait for gen 2 version but think I'm going keep my 20 S with 21k miles until it dies now. Haven't had any issues with it and still a joy to drive. Mine as well put $ to a 911.
Not surprised about the pricing as Porsche has been slowly making their cars more and more expensive as they believe people will pay a premium for the brand and in pursuit of improved profits. Always thought entry into Porsche vs. other luxury cars was low to begin with.
Do love the exterior/interior options. Spec'd a green exterior/tan interior base and after adding all the options it came out over $100k. Mine as well do a Turbo at that point.
Was going to wait for gen 2 version but think I'm going keep my 20 S with 21k miles until it dies now. Haven't had any issues with it and still a joy to drive. Mine as well put $ to a 911.
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