[4ndy]

So today I finally got to see and drive a new electric Macan. I drove the Turbo model and yes, it was fast....but the performance was the only thing that really impressed me, overall it was a big disappointment. In the flesh the car looks so dull, not what you would expect from a £120,000 Porsche. It looks just like a £45,000 Kia or Mazda or Nissan, etc. The good thing is that now I have made a firm decision and ordered another brand new (petrol engined) GTS....delivery expected mid March 2025. I personally think Porsche have made a massive mistake with this new electric Macan.

 

[CHALKMACAN]

So today I finally got to see and drive a new electric Macan. I drove the Turbo model and yes, it was fast....but the performance was the only thing that really impressed me, overall it was a big disappointment. In the flesh the car looks so dull, not what you would expect from a £120,000 Porsche. It looks just like a £45,000 Kia or Mazda or Nissan, etc. The good thing is that now I have made a firm decision and ordered a brand new (petrol engined) GTS....delivery expected mid March 2025. I personally think Porsche have made a massive mistake with this new electric Macan.

Congrats on your GTS! I think that's what you needed all along. Now you can get the EV next and wont feel disappointed. My petrol cars are for fun events, the 1 EV is for comfort.

 

[.158031]

I'm sticking with the ICE Macan. In fact my new vanity plate arrived today.. Sorry about the dirty pic. We had snow and rain yesterday.

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I'm thinking of doing the same. My ICE Macan arrives in Dec.

 

[TigerMac]

Had a Macan 4 for a day as replacement for our Macan T yesterday.
My wife and I feel that the interior does not look as fine and high-class as in our '23 Macan T. Especially the buttons in the doors look cheap, my wife doesn't like the somewhat "ungraceful" design in comparison to ours. She didn't particular like the front lighting arrangement.
Before collecting our car at the dealer, I did some power and suspension testing. Plentyful power in comparison to the T, no reason to complain, later our sales person compared its performance with the GTS, could be... Fortunately I found the knob to deactivate the assisted driving gimmicks when testing curves and bends in sports mode. My short impression was that it works quite heavily on the front axle.
It had rear steering, which gave centrifugal forces a different feel, somehow a like a controlled, but avoided drift from the rear axle.

Woudn't say I would avoid it in the future, but we feel fine with our T today. On the other hand, if I had known how much personal appreciation the T raised so far for us, I would have bought a new GTS...but a wasted opportunity...

 

[.158031]

Remember, the Cayanne and then the Macan later saved Porsche from going under. Now the interference from the EU government and the expensive poor quality of this Macan EV is going to put Porsche out of business. Mark my words. Unless the EU backs off this no sense, and they wont, weve seen the end of Porsche. No one is going to buy Porsche EV enough to keep Porsche alive.

 

[Glock19]

Remember, the Cayanne and then the Macan later saved Porsche from going under. Now the interference from the EU government and the expensive poor quality of this Macan EV is going to put Porsche out of business. Mark my words. Unless the EU backs off this no sense, and they wont, weve seen the end of Porsche. No one is going to buy Porsche EV enough to keep Porsche alive.

They’ll just go back to cramped dealerships in major urban areas selling 1-2 911s a month. EVs are not the future.

 

[grim]

Remember, the Cayanne and then the Macan later saved Porsche from going under.

No, the 986, in 1996, and Toyota teaching them JIT inventory saved them. The Cayenne came in 2003, and made them more profitable. The Macan saved nothing. They were highly profitable. The Macan R&D set them back from about $18K per car to $14K profit, but more units.

No, PAG is not going out of business, Porsche SE owns the majority of VAG shares and the “family” owns 100% of the voting shares. They have little to worry about. Since EU laws effect ALL the carmakers, the entire industry will survive or go under. Either get with the program or get left behind. The world will move on without the US. The US is no longer the biggest customer, China had been for years. If they lose the US, they will survive. Its not 1985 anymore.

They’ll just go back to cramped dealerships in major urban areas selling 1-2 911s a month. EVs are not the future.

The 911 wont matter, the 992.2 is a hybrid. The rich might use efuels. But the glory days are gone. They are now building a full sized ev above the Cayenne. ICE 718 are gone. They will survive with or without the US simply because the ROW will move on without the US leaving us as ancient history, luddites in a rapidly evolving world.

thats the practical pov. not trying to defend evs. It is what it is.

 

[Joyride22]

I share your view, @grim , however EV tech is nowhere mature, except in niches (Tesla) and in China, it seems. I wouldn’t underestimate the power of sudden unemployment spikes as currently seen in early stages in Germany’s car industry. Moral policies and regulatory interventions will hit the real world with force. Everywhere in Europe, people vote against them. Let millions lose their jobs in the automotive industry and others, and we’ll see sudden changes to allow carmakers to survive.

 

[LogCabinTom]

I was at a Porsche Club meeting tonight, which happened to be at my local Porsche dealer where they unveiled both Macan EV models. Some people have said that the car looks better in person than in photos, so I was glad to have the opportunity to judge for myself. Maybe I'm biased, but I like the look of my 2023 Macan S more than the new EV design. That applies to the exterior shape (although the new copper metallic color is pretty interesting), the dashboard (I still prefer analog gauges), the center console, and even the clock on the dashboard. The only things I prefer in the EV model are (1) the rear sear release levers in the trunk, (2) the trunk lighting is brighter, and (3) there are larger side pockets in the trunk for storage of miscellaneous small things, and a couple of elastic straps on the sides of the trunk that could probably hold a bag of groceries on each side of the trunk. The window sticker on the Macan Turbo at my dealer was $130K, although I didn't read the list of options on that particular car. The ICE Macan is theoretically due for a refresh in the next couple of years, so I wonder if Porsche will change body shapes on the ICE model to match the EV model.

 

[Joyride22]

The ICE Macan is theoretically due for a refresh in the next couple of years, so I wonder if Porsche will change body shapes on the ICE model to match the EV model

that’s the thing… as of today, there will be no ICE successor, ever. All EV. You are driving the final ICE Macan model (unless Porsche changes their mind which looks unlikely at the moment. But never say never…)

 

[Noah Fect]

Yeah, they're done with the ICE. Smoke 'em while you've got 'em.

One bit of good news is that the trunk lighting can be improved greatly.

 

[LogCabinTom]

Initially, Porsche said that the EV would replace the ICE Macan. Then, they came to their senses and realized how much of their sales comes from the Macan, and also realized that EV sales in general are not taking off like lots of people predicted they would, so they decided to keep the ICE Macan wherever it could be sold. The Macan EV will satisfy a certain group of people who want that type of car, but let's see what happens over time. If Macan EV sales drop after that initial batch of interested buyers have their EV sitting in their garage, but ICE sales continue, it's going to be a tough decision for Porsche to completely drop the ICE Macan worldwide. If Porsche decides that it can continue to make money with ICE Macans, how long can they go without a refresh? The situation will be interesting to watch.

However, THANKS for the trunk lighting suggestion!! A while ago, I posted and asked if anyone had any solution for the poor trunk lighting, but I got no responses. I just purchased two different lighting kits on Ebay thanks to the link you provided. 10X 194 T10 LED CANBUS Plate License Interior Wedge Light Bright Bulbs White Y | eBay and 4Pcs White CANBUS Error Free 5050-SMD 6 LED Car Indoor Footwell Lights Lamps | eBay Hopefully, one of them will work.

 

[Stealthn]

Sorry, where did they say they will continue the ICE models? I was under the impression they changed the whole tooling line to EV’s?

 

[Noah Fect]

They will continue producing the current ICE Macan models for North America (and other markets?) through at least 2026, as I understand it. But no facelift has been announced, and I can't imagine them shoehorning the ICE powertrain into the PPE electric platform.

The ICE 718 models are said to be going away for everybody in 2025.

 

[LogCabinTom]

At a Porsche Club meeting a couple of months ago, the Manager at the Porsche dealer where the meeting was held had recently gone to Porsche Atlanta for a dealer's meeting where they get to drive the cars and learn from factory representatives about the current company plans. They were told that Porsche will continue to make the ICE Macan as they evaluate how sales of the EV Macan take hold. I'm pretty sure he also said that 2026 is the minimum target for continued ICE manufacture. It just seems odd that they will continue making two Macans that have different body styles and different interiors. The 718 is a vehicle with a different purpose than a Macan, so I think "range anxiety" will be a bigger factor for Macan owners than 718 owners. The head salesman at my local Porsche dealer has been studying materials from Porsche that address range anxiety - exactly what they are supposed to tell potential buyers to address that concern. We both got a chuckle out of EV recharging times that are always provided to 80% of capacity because the last 20% takes longer to charge. Can you imagine going on a trip and stopping for gas in an ICE Macan and only filling the tank to 80% of capacity at a gas station?

 

[drjohnf8]

I drove the new Macan Turbo for a couple hours with my wife yesterday.

It was an amazing experience. The vehicle is easily the best vehicle I have ever driven. Speed and acceleration were on par with my 911 Turbo. Handling was unbelievable and it “hid” its weight with amazing dexterity on the road.

This is easily the best EV out there and is now the benchmark for EV’s. It easily outclasses the E-tron, Model X Plaid, and anything made by Mercedes by an order of magnitude. Hard to describe exactly how and why, but I have no doubt that most people would agree.

BUT…..the vehicle properly equipped is about $202,000 Canadian, inclusive of all tax. EV’s lose at least 50% of their value within 3-5 years due to their nature - so buying the vehicle for a longer term ownership bid is not a good decision for most people.

Porsche lease rates are 8.99% right now, which makes a lease on the vehicle with nothing down turn into a liability of just over $3700 a month.

And CCS chargers in my province are few and far between, with no new ones coming online for the past couple of years. The apps state that there are all kinds of chargers available, but in reality, more than 60% of the chargers don’t actually exist….and at least half of the rest are perpetually broken. At a cost of almost $100k per level 3 DC CCS charger, no business can expect any ROI on them.

The range of the Macan Turbo is apparently 500 km…but they want you to charge it to only 80%, so then the real range is 400km….but real world driving is 80% of that, so 320 km…and half of that in cold weather, or 160 km in cold weather.

So….the world is just not ready for this vehicle quite yet. Range is still an issue and only Teslas have a network of chargers remotely robust enough to be a consideration for most people.

This is a great vehicle for an early adopter enthusiast who doesn’t mind losing the amount of capital that this vehicle commands.

I predict that it won’t sell well. Taycans are down in sales by 50% this year, and this vehicle also won’t penetrate the market.
Should it be released as a hybrid, it will be unbeatable and I’ll buy it without question. But the EV is just not quite ready for the real world.

 

[Noah Fect]

That's my take as well. It's a true Porsche: "Not something for everyone, but everything to someone." Unfortunately that is not what Porsche needs in their showrooms right now.

To the extent your requirements coincide with a few relatively narrow applications, it will probably be an awesome car. But it never made any sense to sacrifice the ICE Macan for it. As a pure-play EV with basically no viable public charging solution in place, it's not a volume car, as the ICE Macan was.

It should've been introduced as a different model entirely, and yes -- God, yes -- it should have been a hybrid.

Failing that, the right time to start sucking up to Tesla for Supercharger access was 5 years ago. Now they will be very hard to catch up with.

 

[Joyride22]

Absolutely agree with the prior statements. Following a German Porsche Forum, there is currently huge concern about the expected sales volumes for the electric Macan. Industry experts see a dip after an initial early adopter peak. Electric mobility winter has started and there are more electric veterans converting to ICE than vice versa. If the Macan doesn’t sell well, Porsche will get into trouble. Signs don’t look promising at the moment. Don’t want to be the naysayer here but leaving ICE and hybrid options out and jump full scale into EV can seriously backfire. Look at our threads, almost no ICE enthusiast is happy to convert. Neither are we happy to lose 40% of value within a few years after purchase. Will this go well? Why didn’t Porsche offer options? The group of lost existing customers will likely be bigger than newcomers to the brand. This will make it difficult for the bread and butter model to bring in the money…

 

[airhead]

I'm curious as to how the Macan EV will be accepted at Porsche club events after the initial introduction? My experience is that ICE Macans are kind of begrudgingly tolerated by the 'real' Porsche people in the 911s; sort of like having Mom & Dad force you into letting your kid brother hang out with you and your friends. Will the EV be the same?

 

[drjohnf8]

Haha! That’s funny. My experience in my neck of the woods is that most Porsche clubs are attended by professionals and business owners, and their conduct is usually commensurate with their status. I belong to Porsche clubs in Calgary, Canada and in Scottsdale AZ. Same experience in both places. Any “snobs” that take elitist views, seem to quickly adopt the more tolerant and professional vibe in these clubs. Interestingly, the billionaires I know are often more relaxed and tolerant than the millionaires in these clubs. The “thousandaires” seem to be the most uptight. The “hundredaires” probably stole their cars, but who’s judging? ;-)