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Better for Performance Mods? Porsche Macan 3.6L Turbo vs new Maserati Levante S

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So which one...the Porsche Macan 3.6L Turbo (with possibly a flawed and underrated, under-powered PDK 7 speed transmission according to some on this Forum that can only handle the current 400HP/TQ; anything > 450 lb/ft TQ and it could break) or the new Maserati Levante S with an engine built by Ferrari in the Ferrari factory (3.0L 6-cylinder twin turbo from the Ghibli S...with 424HP stock, AWD, a ZF 8-speed Auto tranny w/ paddle shifters & LSD)...which one would be better with an ECU tune and other minor performance mods? LOL. Discuss gentlemen. :D

Engines are a second-gen evolution of the Ghibli’s 3.0-liter, 60-degree, twin-turbo V6, built at the Ferrari works in Maranello. Danesin says there are subtle hardware or “optimization” differences between the standard V6 and the Levante S upgrade, but the turbos are identical. The engine makes 345 hp, 369 lb-ft in the base car and 424 hp, 428 lb-ft in the S -- the highest specific output among luxury SUVs. The torque maps change from normal to sport modes -- flat torque delivery in sport, rev-dependent in normal -- and the exhaust track is fitted with pneumatic flaps for a more circuitous, muted flow in normal, and a straight-dump, full Maserati roar in sport.


ZF supplies the eight-speed torque convertor automatic, with wheel paddles and full manual control -- no shift-up override. Maserati’s Q4 all-wheel drive is essentially the same as in its sedans: a power take-off at the end of the transmission with a multiplate clutch to shift power to the front differential. The default torque split is biased way rearward -- 100 percent in sport mode -- but as much as 50 percent of the engine torque can be directed to the front wheels. A mechanical limited-slip rear differential is standard, with brake vectoring on the front axle.


The Levante uses the Ghibli’s basic suspension layout, with geometry adjusted for more wheel travel and air springs in place of steel coils. The suspension pieces and sub-frames are aluminum. The springs are controlled independently at each wheel by the same ECU that manages Maserati’s Skyhook adaptive shocks. Air springs are used because they maximize both on- and off-road capability, according to Danesin, who says the Levante generates the most lateral acceleration and the least understeer of any SUV.


So equipped, Maserati’s SUV can operate at five different ride heights (plus a sixth for park), with a 3.35-inch range. There are four selectable drive modes -- normal, sport, off-road and ICE -- managing three basic control groups together: engine map, boost and transmission; air springs and dampers; AWD and stability control. There is no individual adjustment within the groups.


The Levante S comes with a brake upgrade -- larger disks and six-piston aluminum front calipers, as opposed to two -- delivering what Maserati claims is the shortest stopping distances among SUVs (60-0 mph in 113 feet). Calipers can be painted five colors, with the Maserati trident, and wheels range from 18 to 21 inches.
 

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I'd say that the Porsche engine should have more headroom for tuning the Maserati given the 600cc advantage however the gearbox is the achilles heel, if you look at the Panamera and Cayenne range they ditch the PDK for a regular autobox due to the amount of torque produced by the larger engines.
The ZF in the Audi RS6 ABT handles 730hp and 920 Nm (678 ft.lb) with full warranty from factory, so it should handle any tuning to the Levante engine without issues.

The Levante is more of a competitor to the Cayenne than the Macan, it is as long as an Audi Q7 and longer than most other cars in the segment (RR Sport, Cayenne, MB GLE, BMW X5).
 
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personally would never own another italian over a Porsche. been there, done that. build quality and reliability just isn't the same
 
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Interesting, but this is made by Ferrari. Build quality is top notch, although not sure about reliability. I know reliability for Maserati used to be poor but I know they've made huge strides forward with reliability in the past 5-7 years or so. And, of course, it (the exhaust and engine note) sounds like a Maserati (and/or a Ferrari) unlike the Porsche Macan which sounds fairly lame and tame stock. Don't get me wrong, I do love my Porsche Macan Turbo thus far; just thinking 4-6 years ahead for what's next on my list for a DD...I put a lot of miles on my car each year...hoping to keep my Macan > 100k mi. :)
 
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@sflgator I know Common Core math is confusing, but I still think 570HP in the Cayenne Turbo S is more than 424 HP in the Levante S? In fact, I think it's 146 HP higher?
Not understanding your point...I'm comparing an $80k-$90k Porsche Macan Turbo w/ 400HP/TQ with an $85-$90k Maserati Levante S w/ 424HP/TQ; I never mentioned anything about a $180k Porsche Cayenne Turbo S. So what's your point with the "common core" math bit? :nerd:http://www.macanforum.com//www.pinterest.com/pin/create/extension/