I think you will find that the GTS acceleration is closer to that of the S as it is the same engine with 20hp more. I think it is only 0.1s faster to 60mph which would be imperceptible.

 

It's .2 sec faster than an S and .4 sec slower than a turbo so its lower middle ground . However this data point does not give a real picture . . There's no disputing the Turbo is faster from a standstill. However it can not make the precise adjustments as quickly .

Handling prowess comes from a combination of suspension and throttle precision . This is the GTS strong point . In terms of punch thats the Turbo strong point .

 

Maaan - I sure with I felt the same. With 1500 on my GTS, I struggle with the lag. It is nearly gone in Sport Mode which is where I keep it unless I forget to hit the button. That being said, the GTS will surely gitty-up but it needs to be pushed. Pulling away from a light (in Sport mode) and keeping up with the car next to me sounds like I'm racing since the revs go higher. It's a little embarrassing. LOL

I had the rear window washer recall taken care of on Friday. Why a problem from MY14 still exists on a MY17 is beyond me. Anyway, I was given a MY15 Turbo for the entire day. I find it to be a HUGE difference now that I am intimately familiar with the GTS. Leave it in Normal Mode and the Turbo just GOES. Push it hard and it REALLY goes. I'm not caught up in the actual figures but from the seat of my pants, I really enjoyed the Turbo even though it didn't feel quite as nimble. It felt more like my naturally aspirated Cayenne S driving around town.

 

A few points --

1) I find that every Porsche i have ever driven in normal mode is in dull mode (compared to sport) . That includes a 911 . In sport mode of the GTS it does rev high and that is the thing I like about it . The throttle map is set to do this so that its both eager to get the jump as well as precise to enter a curve (even at low speed) . A Turbo at low speed in sport will not rev this way .It escapes the dullness of normal but retains more of it than the GTS . I speculate this is to be more luxurious . For instance the Panamera is even more toned down and the 911 is more geared up in sport mode. Porsche distinguishes between a sport model and a luxury model .

2) Chances are the Turbo loaner did not have sport exhaust and the GTS does have it so there will also be more sound in the cabin on those revs . A noisier cabin might accentuate the feeling of "racing" mode .

3) The Turbo biggest distinction is when the car has momentum and boost . This is not the case from a standstill at a red light but moreso at a rolling start from about 30 MPH .

4) The GTS is not slow and as far as lag I feel both cars will never be a normally aspirated car (IE .. your former Cayenne S) . Acceleration is more seamless with a normally aspirated car . Even though Porsche has done a good job of minimizing lag both of these cars are turbos .

 

I want to compare and contrast acceleration . Porsche only gives 0-60 data and some have taken these cars to the drag strip but that's not really the whole picture.

The launch - Both cars seem to launch near equal from standstill .

0-60 and 1/4 mile - These have been discussed extensively but from standstill to 60 they are somewhat close

Sorry, I must have missed them, can you point me to some of these folks who have taken their GTS down the strip?

Also, no way is the GTS cutting a close 0-60 time it just isn't happening... The turbo will be ahead by multiple truck lengths to 60...

Oh and the dragstrip pretty much tells all when it comes to acceleration...

 

You did post where someone took a Macan S to the dragstrip. The GTS is still so new that most are still in break in period. http://www.macanforum.com/forum/events-meets/104274-made-few-passes-drag-strip-today.html

I also did say that the Turbo would win 0-60 , 1/4 mile , rolling start .
My distinction isn't about the Turbo being faster but the manner of how each accelerates . In short i agree with you but point to some differences and what they mean in terms of driving fun .

I don't feel that either of these cars are slow but they aren't that fast either.

For example many here have shared how a Turbo's driving refinement makes the car more enjoyable than most sports sedans yet if all one looked at was acceleration then even an M3 can beat it.by more than "a couple of car lengths" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTX_WM8DUH8

They do accelerate differently though and I'd rather drive the Macan Turbo .

 

Porsche Macan GTS acceleration times - AccelerationTimes.com

 

The launch - Both cars seem to launch near equal from standstill . However if both cars are travelling about 20 MPH the GTS does feel more abrupt and precise in throttle response .

Are you saying you felt more turbo lag at 20 mph in the Turbo?

 

You must have me in your favorites of followers whenever I post anything and I am still living inside your head rent free, every day, I got my own room in there !!!

I am simply commenting, just as I did before, just as I will continue to do so about how little of an actual difference in real life it is.

When there was just "S" and a "Turbo" then its a no-brainer, and even before we ordered a GTS, I full well and knew upon ordering all the minor differences in overall power and performance between the two ( GTS and Turbo ), I also am very much a realist, and in my opinion, in everyday driving, there was not going to be enough of a difference to warrant all the extra $$$ on a Turbo when equipped the same as far as options, for me its not worth it, for you obviously it was.

I don't know about you, but in the "real world" I live in its difficult to accelerate from 0-60 on most roads with posted limits of between 25-45 mph on average and traffic in your way, its also very irresponsible to do so.

If you want to run the deserted twisted back roads or long open highway stretches in deserted areas and exceed the speed limit, great, but the vast majority of all driving that almost all people are driving around in their vehicle daily the small amount of difference in overall WOT power, means little IMHO.

So that being stated and as far as the rest of the vehicle is concerned, its almost an identical vehicle down to interior and exterior equipment, interior wise you can get nothing different/unique in a Turbo than in a GTS. All models can be ordered with almost anything you want to pay for, exterior wise you can get a Turbo Appearance Package for $10K more, which enhances no performance, yes there is a slight facia redesign with minor differences on the Turbo, and you get a slightly larger rear brake rotor by 26mm overall, and you get .6 litres of engine displacement.

If that stuff is worth the extra $$$ then have at it, the extra $$$ spent for the little I was going to gain was not worth it to me and I ordered what I did for those reasons.

There were other "Porsche" specific reasons as well, such as no Carmine Red in a Turbo as a optional $3100 +/- cost, it would have been double that in a Turbo for the color as it was deemed a "Special Paint Color" and the wife wanted Carmine Red, so even if I could have justified the cost of the Turbo over the GTS for the little performance differences, the color was a deal breaker for the wife.

My careful thought ( using your statements ) is why its not worth it to me and it is for others on some purchases, as the paint option ( cost ) was more important to the driver than the little extra performance was to me for the added cost of the Turbo package.

I still stand by my opinion that having a Turbo is not going to be that much of a difference in everyday driving for it to be that much better than you are describing it to be, in the real world of everyday, responsible driving no driver does SC boosted launches to 60 MPH every time they drive these, so what am I giving up by not purchasing a Turbo vs. a GTS ??

I rolled along just fine to FL and back on the highway in the GTS over the weekend, hit 103 mph with ease on an open stretch playing with a C5 vette, I hardly think I gave up much by being irresponsible for a few seconds on an open highway playing with another car. As if I or you will do that on a daily basis to justify 40HP and 40 TQ/LBS at WOT, otherwise the curves are probably closer in power that the final peak numbers are.

Was my Turbo going to be that much of a difference if I had one, probably not as I didn't even floor it as I had no need to.

As far as how much more a Turbo would have cost me, I priced them both out, taking into account the standard features a GTS has that are optional on the Turbo, and the added in cost on the Base Turbo vs. a GTS the difference was quite a bit, others have built both and gotten the same results as far as cost.

 

the debate is silly and stupid. porsche has built the gts to fill a financial void just like they did/do for the 911/cayenne/panemera.

turbo s
turbo
gts
s
base

pretty simple philosophy. to each there own and for them to choose whatever meets there needs, however, it gets a bit old reading these topics all the time. before the gts it was always why would someone buy a turbo over the s, blah blah. now its the gts over the turbo. when the turbo s comes out it will be y would someone pay that much more for a turbo s over a turbo and so on and so on

 

This is very true. You see true Porsche marketing genius at work in these type of debate

 

thing is is this, if they all cost the exact same, exact same insurance, exact same gas milage, etc would anyone honestly choose anything but the top model, inquiring minds would like to know

 

PorschGuy;my main reason is I don't have an unlimited budget. Already over budget with my order due to the extremely clever Porsche marketing department and advice/comments from this forum. I'm just a couple of lottery wins away from the Turbo!

 

LOL on all this discussion. In the the city, sticking to the legal limits, there isn't much different between a Corolla and a Macan Turbo. Both get you from A to B in the same amount of time and I suppose one has a bit more style! The gap narrows further comparing an S to a GTS or Turbo, as they all have the same style, and just subtle differences in 0-60, handling etc.

Part of the problem is the enormous nonlinearity in improving performance as you go up the food chain. Going from $20k to $40k you can easily double performance metrics like 0-60. But going from $40k to $80k doesn't give you the same benefit as the curve starts to bend. It takes a hypercar that costs a million bucks to do much better than a 911 Turbo.

So all the arguments here, for or against any particular Macan, are simply incremental and emotional decisions based on what someone wants. The actual performance envelope changes are very modest. Some might value the handling of the GTS over the outright oomph of the Turbo. The S and the Turbo handle equivalently (S is incrementally better actually with a lighter engine and transmission), and since I value usable handling over overtaking prowess, I picked an S. Someone who routinely drives 2 lane roads with few dashed centre lines might well prefer a Turbo.

No one Macan trumps the others. Depends on your use. And when you use it. We have snow on the ground 4-6 months a year. My PTV Macan S would trounce the vast majority of Turbos, since it appears few people specify PTV. But on a warm California evening, I'd be trounced by a Turbo.

There is no right or wrong here.

 

Turbo all the way!

 

I'm getting a GTS with no pano, roof rails, or Bose box in the trunk. Look out turbos! 'Course the extra $9k in my pocket will offset that weight advantage somewhat.:laugh:

 

Ah and don't forget not to order the smokers package. That lid on the hole is a tad heavy


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Someone must have cried really hard to powers that be, because a lengthy post I had written earlier is strangely missing.

I guess that is how things go around here, dissent is not tolerated when facts are presented.

Facts always are tough to accept........so the truncated version is this.

GTS build of mine with the extra's I ordered compared to a Turbo would be between $13k and $19k less expensive than a Turbo with 40 less HP and 37 TQ/LBS less.

So with that in mind you can decide if having the "fastest" mathematically is worth almost $20k, for that kind of $$$$ I can buy a whole more enjoyment and still own a Macan.

Lets see if this one stays around..........facts are sure stubborn, but that is life !!!

 

what is your issue, i am glad you like your GTS, it fits what you wanted at the price you wanted to pay, bravo.

i decided turbo, always do over the base, s, gts. i like having the flagship with the max power, thats my fact. really don't understand what you are trying to prove with your "facts" and "stats"

i am glad you like your gts but quit trying to make it sound like others who choose the turbo made a mistake or bad decision because there ones fact thats important, its my money and i really dig the Turbo

anytime you throw "savings" into the equation you pretty much lose any credibility as far as I'm concerned

 

I'm just happy my car eventually showed up and now I have something to drive.

 

I cringed when I say the post for fear of seeing another one of those type of threads....Good thing is that we all agree on these:

Turbo is faster than the GTS

S/GTS/Turbo/Base/Diesel are mad fun if not we will all be shopping for something else.

Disagreement is often on if the GTS the is sportiest or close to the turbo on certain metrics...

Well, here on the forum some of us went from S to GTS and are happy. Right before our eyes @Luke my man, switched from GTS to Turbo so he can sleep at night and @yrralis1, my uncle went from turbo to the GTS and raves about it. On this same forum @RJMcInnis disown me as my forum dad and since then I shut up about my GTS even though am still honeymooning with this thing 2 months later.

We all made the right choices and available options to lower or mod for more power (warranty issues? ) should make us all happy ...Happy MaCaning Y'all!!!

 

I read the 3.6 has larger turbo charger hence a little lag down low for much greater top end from 60kph onwards. In my opinion the 3.0 S or GTS runs out of steam up top.

Just buy a turbo and Racechip it. Smiles all round.


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And, to each, his own.

If I could justify the expense, would I have purchased a Turbo? Certainly. I like beastly power. However, as I realized this evening on the way home: my Macan S has enough power and acceleration to VERY quickly get me into trouble. So, I admittedly would love to have the additional grin-producing 60 HP and associated torque, just for the rush, but the performance of my S certainly is nothing at which to sneeze.

We all have exceptional autos, each and every Macan owner.

 

I scratch my head reading this thread . I come out declaring that that Turbo is faster 0-60,1/4 mile ,rolling start and there is no doubt . I then point to the one little feature about how the acceleration is managed where I feel the GTS has an edge and it's not ok ?

Maybe @grim ought to close the thread .

 

I scratch my head reading this thread . I come out declaring that that Turbo is faster 0-60,1/4 mile ,rolling start and there is no doubt . I then point to the one little feature about how the acceleration is managed where I feel the GTS has an edge and it's not ok ?

Maybe @grim ought to close the thread .

Opinions are allowed, but only if "you" agree with the opinion, if not posts that are not of the majorities opinion get deleted and threads get locked around here it seems.

I guess not everyone can voice their opinion and have a spirited discussion and state the reasons for thinking the way they do, without crying and deleted posts by paranoid individuals who think only their opinion matters.

I frequent lots of forums, this by far is the most uptight, must be a Porsche thing, too many doctors and lawyers around here............>