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20-inch all-season dilemma

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Having decided to take the purist approach and run summers and winters with two sets of wheels and tires, I have now decided to go back to all-seasons and eliminate the seasonal chageover. The local store where I bought my winters does free seasonal changeovers for me (great!) but I have to store the off-season set and, more importantly at my greater age, I have to wrestle the off-season set into the bed of my pickup -- which I may not have much longer -- and get them to the tire store and then bring the just-removed set home and store them. With the weight of a Macan wheel and tire set, this wears me out... If I had a strapping 18-year old grandson living nearby, the calculus would be different; I don't.

With that as background, I sold the OE all-season Pirellis on the forum long ago and have just now sold my winter set. I am looking at two all-season options:
1) Michelin Latitude Tour HP in OE sizes. Rated N0, which is always desireable. V-rated. A high performance touring tire. I will always buy Michelin if possible, but this tire is rated mid-pack at Tire Rack's web site.
2) Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06 Plus in OE sizes. Z-rated: 104Y in front and extra load 110W in rear. An ultra performance all-season tire. With no suitable Michelin available, I put a set of these on my 2022 BMW M3 sedan. Rated #1 at Tire Rack in the high performance all-season category. The difference in load rating front to back gives me pause, though -- will a set of these alter the front/rear handling of my Macan GTS? Also a few bucks cheaper than the Michelins.

What say you? My Michelin fan-boy self wants the Michelins, despite their demonstrably less sportiness. After all, the GTS will never see a track and likely never see triple-digit speeds. But the Continentals have a great reputation and I already have a set on my very high-performance M3. The front to back load-rating disparity should not be an issue in dialy driving, I would think.

Opinions from knowledgeable tire folks welcome.
 
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I recently went the other way, getting a set of summer Latitude Sport 3 tires to replace the all-season Latitude Tour HPs. Night and day difference in handling, so I hope you don’t miss the summer tires. I would go with the Contis for the simple reason they will likely be closer to the summer tires in performance. I have not used them before though.
 
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We replaced the worn-out stock Pirelli's for the Zero All Season's a year ago, and with 10k and one winter on them, are very happy with them so far. I also use DWS06's on our S4 as a winter all-season tire, but I do run a dedicated summer tire on that for the rest of the year.
 
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I have no experience with the two options you are considering but I switched from my OEM Continental summer tires to the Pirelli Zero All Season Plus (21”) 18 months ago for all of the same reasons you state - storing and swapping two sets of ginormous wheels was too much for me. I never noticed any difference in handling or tire noise- I think these Pirellis are fantastic.
 
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I've used both tires - both great choices.

As mentioned above, The Pirelli Scorpion AS+ are a very worthy option as well.

In my experience, Michelins tend to live longer and are a touch quieter than DWS, especially as they begin to wear. Both are a confident all weather tire overall . If you're seeing a good bit of snow, I would gravitate toward DWS. I previously used the DWSs on other vehicles year-round until I determined dedicated snows were a must-have for me here in Upstate NY.
 
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I faced a similar conundrum with my 20" wheels until the Pirelli Scorpion Zero all seasons came out. They are an excellent all season performance tire. Mine came with the Michelin Latitude HPs from the factory. Although a decent all season, they are not performance tires, they are touring tires and wore relatively quickly. See Tire Racks' classification for this tire. https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Latitude+Tour+HP&frontTire=645VR0LTHPN0&rearTire=94VR0LTHPN0&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Porsche&autoYear=2018&autoModel=Macan GTS&autoModClar=Standard Brakes
I have had experience with the Conti DWS on a prior car and was disappointed by the amount of sidewall flex but I've heard the 06 versions have resolved that. Other than that, they offered great traction for an all season on the RWD car that I had them on. If my wheels are 21", I would have gone with the Michelin PS All Season 4S. But after a couple thousand miles on the Scorpion Zeros, I'm very happy with them. I believe they are OEM on the Ford Explorer ST which is a 400 hp 4700lb SUV.
 
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I've been using DWS on my cars for years- Golf R, GTI, Subaru. You're right- the early DWS had flexy sidewalls. The newer version (06+) is worlds better. These have been my favorite tires for years, because I want good dry performance but still need snow traction. I've strayed to other tires/brands a few times but keep coming back to these.

Once the Pirelli Scorpion Verde tires on the Macan is worn out I'm tempted to go DWS again.
 
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I had a similar experience on the Golf R. Stock wheels were 19" with a ridiculously thin sidewall (235/35-19). Boston roads are not silky smooth (potholes abound). I was blowing sidewalls so often I should have bought stock in the tire company- seriously, I can't even count the flats I got in 2 years with those wheels. I switched to 18" wheels and a taller sidewall (240/40-18) and never had another issue for the 2 additional years I kept the car.
 
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My dealer, Porsche Warrington PA stores my winter and summer wheel / tire sets for free. Just pay them for the price of swapping them out twice a year. Is that not a common practice for Porsche dealers?
 
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Thanks to all who posted so far. It looks like the sentiment is in favor of the DWS 06 Plus so far. The dealership is too far away from me to use for chageovers. My concern about the load rating mismatch on the DWS 06 Plus remains, though.
 
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I just purchased a set of the Michelin Latitude Tour HP AS, replacing the Pirelli Scorpion AS OEM. While I believe the ride is better on the Michelin's, I liked the Pirellis better. The Pirellis had noticeably better high speed (85-100) stability, while the Michelins are squirrelly at these speeds. Tires are properly inflated. I have less than 1,000 miles on these and wish I'd just stayed with the Pirellis. I have no experience with Contis. Best of luck.
 
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Where do you live and what is most important to you; dry handling or inclement weather traction? I really like these which are the opposite of an all season. Basically a snow tire that you can run year round, with emphasis on the snow handling.

 
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I pulled the summer Bridgestone Alenza’s RFT’s off my ‘22 X3 M40i as soon as I got it and switched to DWS 06+ all season 20 inch (last summer). I’ve got one Minnesota winter on these plus 9K miles.

In the snow they’re terrific. Zero issues running through 15 inches of fresh snow. I’d rate them as excellent in frigid icy conditions. Fairly comfortable ride but than again all X3’s are sprung pretty firm including the LCI ’22 M40i with adaptive shocks.

Summer- The Conti‘s were bouncy at first. Many report this. Setting the tire pressures to 32/35 helped. Things improved after 5k miles. I like them now but they’re nothing special. Frankly they’re no better than the Alenza’s in the summer. They ran me about $1200 thru tire rack.

If it we’re me I’d go with Michelin.

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I sort of scanned through these posts in a hurry. I did not see anyone posting the fact that four off season tires/wheels fit in the Macan. You certainly don't need a second vehicle to get them to the tire store to make a seasonal change. I am 83 years old and with a little luck have been able to get them in the car myself. There really is no substitute for the right tire for the right season. The tire store puts them in plastic for the return trip. I roll them into an appropriate area for storage.
 
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Just to close the loop on this topic, for those who read my original post, I was determined to go all-season performance. My winter tire set barely saw any snow at all in a year and a half (now watch us get a record snowfall next winter just to prove me wrong! <grin>) and the Macan GTS is primarily driven by my wife, who loves the acceleration but isn't much into handling. The vehicle almost never gets pushed hard -- probably like most of us, the Macan is a lot more capable than the drivers. So I put a set of Continental DWS06+ ultra-high performance all-season tires on yesterday. We are retired and generally do not have to drive anywhere, so we can avoid severe winter conditions if they occur. And the better summer performance characteristics of a summer tire are probably overkill for our use case. So, yeah, I know that all-season tires give up some performance and capability on both ends of the spectrum but am willing to accept the trade-off. And the Contis are very well-rated by Tire Rack tests and feedback from owners. So I am confident that I have made the right decision for us.

I also have a 2022 Honda Ridgeline Black Edition AWD pickup. I immediately swapped out the OE Firestones on that vehicle for a set of Michelin CrossClimate 2s that are all-weather tires and carry the three-peak symbol for severe winter service. In the event that we had a medical emergency in a snow storm like we get here in the Willamette Valley of Oregon, that would probably be the optimum safe ride to the hospital. We occasionally get freezing rain/ice storms; in that case, it's best not to venture out at all!

Your use case may be different than mine. I have said before that if you are a first responder or the like and work somewhere that gets severe winter weather or participate in winter sports in the mountains, you should have a set of good winter tires so you can go no matter how bad the weather. That does not apply to us.

Thank you to all who weighed in on this topic; good discussion!
 
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Just to close the loop on this topic, for those who read my original post, I was determined to go all-season performance. My winter tire set barely saw any snow at all in a year and a half (now watch us get a record snowfall next winter just to prove me wrong! <grin>) and the Macan GTS is primarily driven by my wife, who loves the acceleration but isn't much into handling. The vehicle almost never gets pushed hard -- probably like most of us, the Macan is a lot more capable than the drivers. So I put a set of Continental DWS06+ ultra-high performance all-season tires on yesterday. We are retired and generally do not have to drive anywhere, so we can avoid severe winter conditions if they occur. And the better summer performance characteristics of a summer tire are probably overkill for our use case. So, yeah, I know that all-season tires give up some performance and capability on both ends of the spectrum but am willing to accept the trade-off. And the Contis are very well-rated by Tire Rack tests and feedback from owners. So I am confident that I have made the right decision for us.

Thank you to all who weighed in on this topic; good discussion!
Now that you have had the DWS06+ on the Macan for a bit, any feedback on them? I am looking at replacing my OEM AS tires soon, and I am looking at those as one of the options. Curious how you find their performance, ride and noise level?