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Within 30 days of being legally able to or guidance, I will NOT:

  • 1. attend an outdoor sporting event (e.g., HS baseball game)

    Votes: 75 73.5%
  • 2. attend an indoor sporting event (e.g., NBA or College basketball game)

    Votes: 88 86.3%
  • 3. attend or host an informal social gathering (e.g. party or outdoor BBQ)

    Votes: 39 38.2%
  • 4. attend or host a formal social gathering (e.g., wedding)

    Votes: 70 68.6%
  • 5. attend a formal public gathering (e.g., 4th of July event)

    Votes: 83 81.4%
  • 6. eat in a sit down restaurant or visit a bar

    Votes: 59 57.8%
  • 7. go to a movie, theater, or concert (other than a drive-in)

    Votes: 80 78.4%
  • 8. take my car for any kind of non-emergency service

    Votes: 23 22.5%
  • 9. have any kind of non-emergency service done inside my house, apartment, etc.

    Votes: 39 38.2%
  • 10. go to any kind of non-emergency medical appointment (e.g., routine physical, dental cleaning)

    Votes: 39 38.2%
  • 11. physically perform non-essential shopping (e.g., physically shop for luxuries, new clothes)

    Votes: 46 45.1%
  • 12. go to a public park, beach, town square, etc.

    Votes: 30 29.4%

  • Total voters
    102
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I was never into body building, lifted primarily for football.
JoeInBucks, I feel ya. I became a gym rat in college, '74, looking to muscle up with the football players competing with me for a spot on the Spring lacrosse team. Recently, have been an everyday (retired...have the time) active in local Y's, then the Duke Health and Fitness Center. Loved the feel after a heavy set, but now...not the spinal stenosis and (thank you, bike racing...lol) hip pain. NO WAY I'd go back in there. Be creative. Stay well. Keep fit!
 

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From our local newspaper today:
“The number of hospitalized patients declined significantly, dropping from 335 on Friday to 300 patients at Saturday’s data release from the Minnesota Department of Health.

While weekly death tolls have dropped for several weeks, COVID-19 has caused 1,417 deaths across the state during the course of the pandemic. Residents of long-term care and assisted-living facilities accounted for 4 of the 6 newly announced deaths.”

And our Governor broke the entire economy with a lockdown which is still not over yet.
Our Governor didn't lockdown long enough and look at today's news . (PS .. pause at 1min 45)
 

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Our Governor didn't lockdown long enough and look at today's news . (PS .. pause at 1min 45)
I think your governor and my governor are twins with not making the most brilliant choices. SC was one of the last to close, and one of the first to being open up right after GA and our numbers are climbing faster than a fighter jet taking off. At this rate I won’t be back in the classroom with the kids in august because we are now fighting over wearing masks and not wearing masks.

Our governor on Friday said that he’s not going to make it mandatory that we wear masks and leave it up to individual cities. He told us to wear a mask, social distance and use common sense. If the people in my state actually used common sense we wouldn’t be in this problem. The states top health person said that our numbers are going up with the younger crowd, and from people out at the beach not social distancing while at the beach. Today not even 10:00 the news is reporting how one of the local beaches is already full with no parking with images of traffic cameras showing tons of cars sitting in traffic waiting to get to the beach. So if the health department said to avoid the beach for a bit, yep the people in my state read it as head to the beach.
 
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The problem is that the effort Fox placed into downplaying the virus led to a public parroting the same phrases , It influenced complacency and denial . Even on this thread the "I wont .live in fear" or "the flu is dangerous " or "there are other and more horrible virus " or when all else fails deflect into a rant on the Constitution. touting what's legal OVER common sense . In the meantime the virus growth has catapulted when it never had to. .

This is just a sample of the nonsense . 120+K death later and curing out thousands of cases every day . When misinformation leads to illness and death I wonder if the family of the deceased can sue these fools.

The worst part of it is that I hear the same phrases here .... it resonates even with the educated who rely on wishful thinking instead of looking at the hard reality of the dead bodies .

Here ya go.... Faux in its natural habitat .
The kids don't watch Fox. They have heat all right and it between their legs. Thus we have the increase in cases.
 

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I think your governor and my governor are twins with not making the most brilliant choices. SC was one of the last to close, and one of the first to being open up right after GA and our numbers are climbing faster than a fighter jet taking off. At this rate I won’t be back in the classroom with the kids in august because we are now fighting over wearing masks and not wearing masks.

Our governor on Friday said that he’s not going to make it mandatory that we wear masks and leave it up to individual cities. He told us to wear a mask, social distance and use common sense. If the people in my state actually used common sense we wouldn’t be in this problem. The states top health person said that our numbers are going up with the younger crowd, and from people out at the beach not social distancing while at the beach. Today not even 10:00 the news is reporting how one of the local beaches is already full with no parking with images of traffic cameras showing tons of cars sitting in traffic waiting to get to the beach. So if the health department said to avoid the beach for a bit, yep the people in my state read it as head to the beach.
School is the jackpot when it comes to starting up the economy but it also poses a public health nightmare (particularly with this virus) . Usually the school board in my are (both Dade and Broward) err on the side of caution . You can even see it in the faces of the various city Mayors here that they are not comfortable with the case numbers and hospitalization increase more than tripling the high water mark that shut us down the first time . I know you work with very young children and I have yet to see even one example of a child under 10 understand the concept of social distancing . I have seen efforts made by adults in video of classroom seating arrangements where it is structured . I have even seen it with my neighbors child who is on a swim team where one child every other lane , temperature check , and no locker room are there protocol but I have a feeling they shut back down since I talked to him .

If you recall the alarm rang loudly when this virus hit Italy . I don't know how anyone can sit in another city , look at places like Miami and Houston and not think its coming . Today I had to go to the supermarket . I hate going but had to go . I see people coughing under their mask . I see people sneezing under the mask . I hold my breath , I go the other way .. its like playing dodge ball and so far I've gotten this far . I sincerely feel that your safest outcome would be virtual classroom .
 

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Why not just use Instacart?
Because during the lockdown here a Instacart delivery was taking 2 weeks. Seriously, these delivery services were not ready for the demand. Even Amazon was taking weeks instead of days to deliver anything.
 

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deflect into a rant on the Constitution. touting what's legal OVER common sense .
Defending the constitution and your rights has zero to do with anyone's reaction to the virus. Nobody forces anyone to go out. Nobody says you MUST go to the store. But they DO say you can or cannot do things that infringe on the rights of everyone.

Do you know why the Bill of Rights exists? Its to protect you, me, everyone FROM THE GOVERNMENT. It doesn't say what the government "can" do. That's in the main body of the Constitution. The federalists thought no worries, it should be obvious that federal government was limited. Its already written into it. Why would anyone add anything else to it? But the states said oh no, add the rights of the people or they weren't signing. From Madison, 1829, who drafted the Bill of Rights.

It is sufficiently obvious, that Persons and Property, are the two great subjects on which Governments are to act: and that the rights of persons, and the rights of property are the objects for the protection of which Government was instituted. These rights cannot well be separated. The personal right to acquire property, which is a natural right, gives to property when acquired a right to protection as a social right. The essence of Government is power; and power lodged as it must be, in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse.

When you see statements of interest against states, is this not exactly what Madison was speaking of? As far as I see, all the cases going forward were because orders were not done even handily, but pick and choose, which one might think is exactly what Madison wrote.
 

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Because during the lockdown here a Instacart delivery was taking 2 weeks. Seriously, these delivery services were not ready for the demand. Even Amazon was taking weeks instead of days to deliver anything.
That was two months ago. He said "Today". Yes, April instacart windows were a couple of days ahead. Amazon was all messed up. Do I get a refund on Prime because it took 2 weeks to deliver products vice 2 days? But today, Amazon is back to next day delivery and instacart is next day delivery.
 

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That was two months ago. He said "Today". Yes, April instacart windows were a couple of days ahead. Amazon was all messed up. Do I get a refund on Prime because it took 2 weeks to deliver products vice 2 days? But today, Amazon is back to next day delivery and instacart is next day delivery.
I am old fashioned. I like to see and touch before I buy it. 🤓
 
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Defending the constitution and your rights has zero to do with anyone's reaction to the virus. Nobody forces anyone to go out. Nobody says you MUST go to the store. But they DO say you can or cannot do things that infringe on the rights of everyone.

Do you know why the Bill of Rights exists? Its to protect you, me, everyone FROM THE GOVERNMENT. It doesn't say what the government "can" do. That's in the main body of the Constitution. The federalists thought no worries, it should be obvious that federal government was limited. Its already written into it. Why would anyone add anything else to it? But the states said oh no, add the rights of the people or they weren't signing. From Madison, 1829, who drafted the Bill of Rights.

It is sufficiently obvious, that Persons and Property, are the two great subjects on which Governments are to act: and that the rights of persons, and the rights of property are the objects for the protection of which Government was instituted. These rights cannot well be separated. The personal right to acquire property, which is a natural right, gives to property when acquired a right to protection as a social right. The essence of Government is power; and power lodged as it must be, in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse.

When you see statements of interest against states, is this not exactly what Madison was speaking of? As far as I see, all the cases going forward were because orders were not done even handily, but pick and choose, which one might think is exactly what Madison wrote.
A radio speaker yesterday noted that our constitution is unique in the degree to which it protects individual rights and liberty. So true! That's a primary driver of the red state - blue state divide, here and elsewhere. Red prioritizes individual liberty and Blue leans toward socialist impulses. Individual states are neither entirely red nor blue, but you get the idea.

Note Madison's use of the phrase "natural right" in the post above by @grim. Other writings by the founders call them "God given rights". Same idea. Our founders did not feel they were granting rights. They were merely recognizing and protecting rights that inherently belong to each of us. Some movements today are willing to trade individual rights away or to make them secondary to the state's collective impulses, but they are not theirs to trade. Anyone can give up his own individual rights, but mine still belong to me. Hands off please.
 

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Why not just use Instacart?
It was poor planning on my part . I wasn’t sure if my wife placed the order . It was late in the day and I could not get a hold of her on the phone . Ad it turned out she did place the order ,saw the missed call and texted me but I had already paid . We ended up with a double amount . It won’t go to waste but yes instacart is the way to go .
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JoeInBucks, I feel ya. I became a gym rat in college, '74, looking to muscle up with the football players competing with me for a spot on the Spring lacrosse team. Recently, have been an everyday (retired...have the time) active in local Y's, then the Duke Health and Fitness Center. Loved the feel after a heavy set, but now...not the spinal stenosis and (thank you, bike racing...lol) hip pain. NO WAY I'd go back in there. Be creative. Stay well. Keep fit!
No sympathy here Joel. I'm a veteran of eight years. Four separate lumbar injuries while serving in Southeast Asia for 42 months as part of the 16th SOS. All four were ignored by seven (7) military doctors over a five year period of time. This eventually resulted in a fusion at L4/L5 in '83. Then a double laminectomy at the two discs above and below the fusion in 2000. Then three (3) more surgeries to clean out the recurring stenosis. Add 42 rounds of cortecosteroid injections in my lumbar, four in my hip and another four in my sacral joint over a 10 year period. I'm 71 now. How do I cope? I go to the gym. I hired a personal terrorizer to abuse me 3 days a week, My wife and I go on Sunday mornings (our 'church'). And, every day I walk my pit at least 1/4 mile. If I walk to the lake by my home, it's 1.5 miles round trip.

I live in constant nagging, never-quitting, relentless pain down my right leg. If I were a dog, I would have chewed off my leg years ago. But, I know it's not my leg. It's the stenosis. It's the arthritis. It's age. I get it.

So, over the years, I've come to terms with it. I no longer have any options surgically or otherwise. And, I've tried them all. So...what do I do? I use this mantra: If my back hurts, I go to the gym and hurt it back. It helps....
 

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No sympathy here Joel. I'm a veteran of eight years. Four separate lumbar injuries while serving in Southeast Asia for 42 months as part of the 16th SOS. All four were ignored by seven (7) military doctors over a five year period of time. This eventually resulted in a fusion at L4/L5 in '83. Then a double laminectomy at the two discs above and below the fusion in 2000. Then three (3) more surgeries to clean out the recurring stenosis. Add 42 rounds of cortecosteroid injections in my lumbar, four in my hip and another four in my sacral joint over a 10 year period. I'm 71 now. How do I cope? I go to the gym. I hired a personal terrorizer to abuse me 3 days a week, My wife and I go on Sunday mornings (our 'church'). And, every day I walk my pit at least 1/4 mile. If I walk to the lake by my home, it's 1.5 miles round trip.

I live in constant nagging, never-quitting, relentless pain down my right leg. If I were a dog, I would have chewed off my leg years ago. But, I know it's not my leg. It's the stenosis. It's the arthritis. It's age. I get it.

So, over the years, I've come to terms with it. I no longer have any options surgically or otherwise. And, I've tried them all. So...what do I do? I use this mantra: If my back hurts, I go to the gym and hurt it back. It helps....
My wife had a spinal fusion in midlife, after a back injury as a FedEx courrier. While recovering she decided there had to be a better way and so headed off the Chiropractic school. We were introduced in 2009 by one of her patients, who was a friend in my church. Without her back injury we would never have met! But she must exercise regularly to avoid back problems. Being laid up a bit by her recent shoulder injury has led to her back acting up. She reminds me regularly "movement inhibits pain".

Thank-you for your service and many painful sacrifices @///Bruce.
 

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Trying to look at the bright side of the situation, I find it amazing that one can have literally everything delivered. Who knew?
I don't think I left the property at all in the month of May if I recall correctly. Other then getting the mail or drive around for fun a little.
There will be things I will never buy in a store again. Like beverages, tp, paper towels, canned stuff. Heck even milk.
And charcoal. Man who knew how crappy grocery store charcoal really is. Discovered Jealous Devil...advanced my grilling to a new level.
Now produce and meats I will go and shop for myself. I was really disappointed in the selection of the delivery services on that.
But other then that? Why bother going?
I even have a hard time visiting my favorite restaurants anymore. They all now deliver within 30-40 minutes.
I can eat in my swim trunks? At home? Perfect! :cool:
 

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I'm there with ya. I made pork marsala last night using a pork loin (don't use chops!). The wife made a plate of mozzarella cheese, tomatoes and peaches drizzled with a caprese dressing. Polished off a bottle of Pinot Noir. For desert, fresh strawberries and homemade vanila ice cream. Why would I order out for fast food?
 

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I'm there with ya. I made pork marsala last night using a pork loin (don't use chops!). The wife made a plate of mozzarella cheese, tomatoes and peaches drizzled with a caprese dressing. Polished off a bottle of Pinot Noir. For desert, fresh strawberries and homemade vanila ice cream. Why would I order out for fast food?
Excellent! I made Pizza...
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The problem is that the effort Fox placed into downplaying the virus led to a public parroting the same phrases , It influenced complacency and denial .
OK, the short answer is that if you believe anyone in primetime cable news channels then your listening to the opinion hosts, "the editorial page". Opinions are not hard news. IMO, want to see breaking news, worldwide? Watch CNN. To understand more about that, read From 2010 Dumb Like a Fox and

Fox News and CNN are 2 of America's biggest news sources — but they couldn't be more different. Here's how they've changed in the past decade.

No need to quote it. CNN did hard news. Fox did personalities. And then it changed.

CNN was launched in the 1980s. It made "news the star," and steered clear of politic bias. ... Zucker wanted to revamp CNN from a tired news station into something entertaining. Pew confirms in 2013. So the video, everyone was opinion hosts. Do you got Bret Baier, the hard news anchor, reporting incorrect hard news?

Did not the CNN opinion hosts endlessly tout Avennti? How did that work out? Did the hard news anchor, who I presume is Blitzer, on CNN do that? I don't know but did he? Before you say its a red herring, the principle is the same. ...

There needs to be a separation between that which is opinion and that which is reported as hard news. There are distinct differences on the networks. The former, IMO, caters to the audiences, the later, hopefully is accurate.
 

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Discovered Jealous Devil...advanced my grilling to a new level.
You bought some Jealous Devil? From Amazon? Expensive stuff. Does it really burn hotter and long than other lump charcoal? I got some too but haven't tried it yet because I got some cheap Home Depot/Lowes lump charcoal to finish up.

Is it really that good? That's touted by Harry Soo. I also got Harry's rubs and think they are very good.
 

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I find it amazing that one can have literally everything delivered. Who knew?
The downside to Instacart is the fresh product or dated things. I'd get milk with a date 3 days from now. Thats not good. I don't see all that much care taken on "which" produce they pick. Is it bruised, rotten inside, etc. Just grab and go.

This doesn't work so good with clothes either. People actually want to try things on and returning things can be a pain and slow process via the mail. Its can work for a month or two but after some time, it gets old.

Besides, why do you think the push is on for the young to NOT go to the beaches. If they are trapped at home, how are the going to meet their future spouses or future friends? Thats no way to live.
 
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