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Today the local Porsche Club of America chapter had their monthly tour. The President runs a Macan S with Cobb Accessport which was installed when brand new and the car now as 32k+ miles. According to him, Cobb Accessport tuning does not void the Porsche warranty as Cobb developed the Accessport tuner in conjunction with Porsche. That's news to me. No other tuner can make this claim? I intend to check this out with the local service manager. Is this true? If so, I know what I'm getting for Christmas.
I've moved this to the sticky because its a much broader question than one product. This is constantly being asked and can be confusing. Here is how this works and if someone else has better info, please post.

You, as a US consumer, are protected by the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act. The essence is that consumers are not required to use parts made by whoever made a product. This is not specific to cars, its anything. Read this about electronics. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/gv5ddm/warranty-void-if-removed-stickers-are-illegal However, its a two way street. If what you do messes up something, then its on your dime. This is discussed endlessly, over and over again, mostly in auto forums. How many people mod their lawn mowers?

Read your WARRANTY. What does it say?
Read the first reference in this thread from the FTC https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0138-auto-warranties-routine-maintenance
Read the actual MM act [USC04] 15 USC Ch. 50: CONSUMER PRODUCT WARRANTIES

and most of all, read the voice of experience: https://www.macanforum.com/forum/engine-technical-discussion/34906-official-will-void-my-warranty-discussion-debate-thread.html#post1832481

In practice, from what I've read and experienced, you break it, you fix it. There are countless threads on this all over the internet, people complaining "but but ..." From what I understand, what breaks has to be relevant to what you changed. But here's the big thing and relates to this post above. Car makers are VERY VERY Big with lots of experience in handling these things. You are very very tiny. I've looked for cases where car models fought using MM. Its rare they win. It does happen. But is it worth the aggravation, the time, effort, fees?
 

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Wheel and brake caliper changes and warranty effect

Does anyone know if getting rims and brake calipers powder coated (or even painted for the calipers, not sure which is best but if you know please advise) has ANY impact whatsoever on warranty (buying new Macan)?
Of note, I will likely only be driving the vehicle about 5-7K miles per year.
 

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I would say yes. It would void the warranty. Why? The simple process of what needs to be performed with the caliper itself in the process of getting it powder-coated. I'll guess red... I'm gonna go out on a llimb here and say that a Porsche dealership will not do this for you. I'm not sure if they would recommend you to someone who does. But, friendship or kinship helps sometimes. Or, you shop for someone or you've found someone who you believe does great work. You drop off the Macan and....

The brake line is disconnected by Billy-Bob's Independent Porsche Shop's best mechanic. Boom! Your Porsche warranty just got voided for the braking system. This also means they will never service that part of your Macan again. And this point could also potentially run you the risk of not being able to keep your Porsche maintained per their major service intervals. This could potentially impact resale value if traded back to Porsche. It could never be "Porsche CPO" by them because of the mod. How will the dealership know? You changed the color...

But, they might not catch it. It's your Macan....
 
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I would say yes. It would void the warranty. Why? The simple process of what needs to be performed with the caliper itself in the process of getting it powder-coated. I'll guess red... I'm gonna go out on a llimb here and say that a Porsche dealership will not do this for you. I'm not sure if they would recommend you to someone who does. But, friendship or kinship helps sometimes. Or, you shop for someone or you've found someone who you believe does great work. You drop off the Macan and....

The brake line is disconnected by Billy-Bob's Independent Porsche Shop's best mechanic. Boom! Your Porsche warranty just got voided for the braking system. This also means they will never service that part of your Macan again. And this point could also potentially run you the risk of not being able to keep your Porsche maintained per their major service intervals. This could potentially impact resale value if traded back to Porsche. It could never be "Porsche CPO" by them because of the mod. How will the dealership know? You changed the color...

But, they might not catch it. It's your Macan....
The Magnuson Moss Act precludes games such as you describe. Many mods are just fine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act
 

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Senator Warren Magnuson would have approved.

The key to that is AS IS. As stated the dealership may choose not to CPO and as I see not warranty a modified vehicle as it is not stock. Therefore lowering the trade in value to the dealership itself. The dealer has the final say and any modification may result in them not wanting the vehicle.

I do not see in the law where a dealer must stand behind your choice to modify your car. In fact all lease returns must be returned with OEM equipment. This act was to cover fraudulent claims by dealerships against consumers.

Painting the calipers could result in contamination of the caliper itself damageto seals or in cases I have seen sand blasting grit left in cracks and crevices. This contamination was nor caused by the manufacturing process but done by another so the dealership is not responsible. It’s a chance you would take.
 

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The brake question has been merged into the appropriate sticky. For the person asking the question, read the experience in post #9 and I'll reiterate post #21

"You, as a US consumer, are protected by the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act. The essence is that consumers are not required to use parts made by whoever made a product. This is not specific to cars, its anything. Read this about electronics. [broken link] However, its a two way street. If what you do messes up something, then its on your dime. This is discussed endlessly, over and over again, mostly in auto forums. How many people mod their lawn mowers?

Read your WARRANTY. What does it say?
Read the first reference in this thread from the FTC [LOL, another broken link]
Read the actual MM act [USC04] 15 USC Ch. 50: CONSUMER PRODUCT WARRANTIES

and most of all, read the voice of experience: https://www.macanforum.com/forum/eng...ml#post1832481

In practice, from what I've read and experienced, you break it, you fix it. There are countless threads on this all over the internet, people complaining "but but ..." From what I understand, what breaks has to be relevant to what you changed. But here's the big thing and relates to this post above. Car makers are VERY VERY Big with lots of experience in handling these things. You are very very tiny. I've looked for cases where car models fought using MM. Its rare they win. It does happen. But is it worth the aggravation, the time, effort, fees?"

But to be clear, just modifying something does not effect the entire car warranty. AFAIK, its only if what you did effects something else on the car (e.g. do something to the brakes and for some strange reason a suspension part fails, its on your dime. That has nothing to do with the engine).

This has been discussed thousands of times all over the Internet. MM is NOT a panacea. Its does not magically fix anything. It was intended, AFAIK, to allow consumers to not be forced to buy OEM parts (e.g., by a FRAM filter vice the OEM filter). I've known people who went through it and the bottom line was similar to post #9 . The car makers pockets are very deep. Are your pockets deeper? Do some research and find some cases where the consumers win. They exist, but is the cost and aggravation worth it?

BTW, there are "mod" friendly dealers. They WILL modify your Porsche. Service departments make money. Its just work. You pay them. You get what you want. They get money. Something breaks. You pay them. They get money. Of course they will service it. They put the parts on. Whether they get money from you, or PCNA, what does it matter? Whether or not the car will be CPO'd is a different question. I think most people put it back to stock.

IANAL, So two things to be wary of. First, MM "could" help you. But at what cost? Second, of course there are dealers that want to make money. You give them money, they do what you asked. There are many dealers.

Caveat emptor. YMMV. :)
 

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This also means they will never service that part of your Macan again. And this point could also potentially run you the risk of not being able to keep your Porsche maintained per their major service intervals. .
You can maintain the car yourself. Save the receipts. Or take it to an indy. Independent Porsche shops abound. Ask your local PCA for a recommendation. There is nothing saying you have to have it maintained at a dealer. From the FTC https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0138-auto-warranties-routine-maintenance

"can a dealer refuse to honor the warranty that came with your new car if someone else does the routine maintenance or repairs?

The Federal Trade Commission (FTC), the nation's consumer protection agency, says no. In fact, it's illegal for a dealer to deny your warranty coverage simply because you had routine maintenance or repairs performed by someone else." Further

"Do I have to use the dealer for repairs and maintenance to keep my warranty in effect?

No. An independent mechanic, a retail chain shop, or even you yourself can do routine maintenance and repairs on your vehicle. In fact, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, which is enforced by the FTC, makes it illegal for manufacturers or dealers to claim that your warranty is void or to deny coverage under your warranty simply because someone other than the dealer did the work."
 

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powder coating wheels

so for just powder coating wheels, you lose all warranty related to wheels and brakes or just on the wheel themselves?
 

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so for just powder coating wheels, you lose all warranty related to wheels and brakes or just on the wheel themselves?
AFAIK, and dont take the advice of strangers on the internet ...

If you mod something and it fails, or causes some other part to fail, its your dime to fix it. YMMV. caveat emptor
 

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Interesting old thread --

One mans's opinion -- If one is worried about warranty then leave the car stock .

A person loses money if :

1) If he trades it and can't be CPO'd
2) if the car breaks related to any modifications
3) If selling private and buyers walk because they lack the same taste in mods , or they are nervous about the car's wear , or if they simply want to mod it themselves to their taste , or if they worry about warranty just like some here are .


On the flip side hand .. Who's name is on the car's title ? Does it say Porsche or does it say the OWNER's name ? So what if a warranty is voided ? So what if one can lose money? So what if he wants to enjoy the car as long as his insurance and laws in his region permit it ? The owner simply has choices.

So what's my side on this "debate " .. NEUTRAL !

Your car .. Your decision.
 

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Any experiences around third party wheels voiding any warranties?
The answers are in the warranty book that came with your car. For example, the 2019 version, New Car Limited Warranty & Customer Information Model Year 2019

"This Warranty Does Not Cover:

... use of non-PCNA distributed parts. ...
Dealer-installed accessories not distributed by PCNA ...
Modifications not authorized by PCNA"

That sound very specific. Was the wheel a PCNA distributed part or authorized by PCNA? No? Then you have your answer. Its all in your manual.
 

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The answers are in the warranty book that came with your car. For example, the 2019 version, New Car Limited Warranty & Customer Information Model Year 2019

"This Warranty Does Not Cover:

... use of non-PCNA distributed parts. ...
Dealer-installed accessories not distributed by PCNA ...
Modifications not authorized by PCNA"

That sound very specific. Was the wheel a PCNA distributed part or authorized by PCNA? No? Then you have your answer. Its all in your manual.
Thanks Grim. Looking for peoples **experience** with voided warranty around using third party wheels for things like suspension, brakes, etc... Often what is stated in the manual is not reality.
I am contemplating purchasing a Macan and it all factors into the cost. I need winter wheels and OEM vs third party are at least 2x the cost of third party from my research. If OEM winter wheels are the only option that will not void my warranty then that also factors into the buying decision.
 

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Clearly if an aftermarket wheel fails, PCNA is not going to cover an aftermarket wheel under warranty.

Bur are there scenarios where the failure of an aftermarket wheel or a defective wheel could damage your brakes or suspension? Not very likely, but you also can't say that it's completely impossible.

Is it possible that PCNA could try to use the presence of aftermarket wheels as an excuse for not covering some kind of brake or suspension repair? Not impossible, although I would say highly unlikely.

If it were up to me I would not hesitate to buy a good set of aftermarket wheels, but you can't really say that there is absolutely zero risk.
 

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Ceramic Pro on Wheels/Calipers

Does anyone know if getting rims and brake calipers powder coated (or even painted for the calipers, not sure which is best but if you know please advise) has ANY impact whatsoever on warranty (buying new Macan)?
Of note, I will likely only be driving the vehicle about 5-7K miles per year.
What about Ceramic Pro (or other ceramic coating) on wheels/brakes/calipers? Does anyone have experience with either Porsche warranty or a Wheel & Tire policy (I currently have CNA) being voided due to ceramic coating?
 

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Thanks Grim. Looking for peoples **experience** with voided warranty around using third party wheels for things like suspension, brakes, etc... Often what is stated in the manual is not reality.
I am contemplating purchasing a Macan and it all factors into the cost. I need winter wheels and OEM vs third party are at least 2x the cost of third party from my research. If OEM winter wheels are the only option that will not void my warranty then that also factors into the buying decision.
The warranty is reality. Go search and read the major pcar forums. You will find many stories of people who thought they should get warranty coverage and were denied, or it took a great amount of effort to get coverage. Reread post #9 , quote:

"... to guard the gate. They can't be negotiated with and you will seldom have the opportunity to try, they don't have any mercy because they are not there to care for customers. They are highly trained and in recent years have gained significant tools to help them find abuses or ascertain the existence of other conditions that might have led to a failure. ... You are not in possession of your warranty and never have been, in order to deny it the dealership needed only to say the words and it was done. But wait you say, Porsche cant do that, the M&M act has language stating that the dealer has to prove that the parts caused or contributed to the failure. You're right but not being in possession of the warranty you have to go through what may be a long process to prove it and it wont be cheap. Someone might tell you that the M&M act provides for the ability to ask for fees and it does but you are not guaranteed to get them even if you win. I won and asked for fees but did not get them."

This is real life experience. I doubt the poster made it up.

There are 430 posts in this thread on aftermarket wheels https://www.macanforum.com/forum/wheels-tires-suspension/6993-official-macan-aftermarket-rims-thread.html People buy them all the time. Why not ask your question in that thread or in the wheels subforum to get greater visibility. Few people are likely to read the warranty thread. Either post it in the sticky under wheels, or start a new thread under wheels subforum. Somebody should speak up.
 

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I'm sure the look on my face said it all when I got the invoice for my 20,000 mile check on my Macan. The 10,000 mile check was complimentary (or was it) so I had no idea what to expect. I have been reading about Porsche owners doing their own maintenance, I am not able to do that, but why can't I take my Macan else where to save some $$$. Would this void my warranty?
 
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