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Amidst all the hoopla of shortages and high prices are the spy shots and rumors of another refresh before the Macan goes EV . This would be the first time I ever saw Porsche do a refresh of a refresh . It also is hinted (in my off the record conversations) that it might be brief as EV is the future plan . So far in the US orders have been accepted for 2022 992's but no Macan . Thus it leads me to wonder why are they doing this ?

So here are some guesses .... (and BTW feel free to take yours too) .

1) If there is no 2022 Macan get ready to see used and CPO prices take a huge jump . My suggestion is find a car NOW. Look, find, buy ... thats my guess . Dont be picky with "oh dear its missing an option" . You are too late for that .

2) The refresh ... Usually Porsche likes to experiment on the refresh with a few things they hope will succeed in the redesign . For instance the 997.2 was the first DFI engine . The 991.2 was the first turbo /non turbo models .
With the Macan they already messed with the engine in the first refresh . They actually did well .
My guess is that the second refresh will be more about the technology . Unlike the engine and PDK Porsches weakest trait is technology . The Macan .3 might just be the one that everyone wants to forget . It might be the one where Porsche tries to compete with bigger tech wizards inn the auto industry so that if they succeed they can launch an EV with all the criteria to justify the (gulp) price .

In short .. even though this is not the time to buy a car it might very well be the time to buy a Macan .
 

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His thread is slightly different . He is trying to order a car . The entire scale of pricing , release dates , and availability is very different for his region . My post is not region specific . It only hinges on the car itself . Whatever the Macan.3 will be he will see it before we do in the states . I am not sure who gets it last but the US is always behind Europe, Australia , and other regions .
 

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Amidst all the hoopla of shortages and high prices are the spy shots and rumors of another refresh before the Macan goes EV . This would be the first time I ever saw Porsche do a refresh of a refresh . It also is hinted (in my off the record conversations) that it might be brief as EV is the future plan . So far in the US orders have been accepted for 2022 992's but no Macan . Thus it leads me to wonder why are they doing this ?

So here are some guesses .... (and BTW feel free to take yours too) .

1) If there is no 2022 Macan get ready to see used and CPO prices take a huge jump . My suggestion is find a car NOW. Look, find, buy ... thats my guess . Dont be picky with "oh dear its missing an option" . You are too late for that .

2) The refresh ... Usually Porsche likes to experiment on the refresh with a few things they hope will succeed in the redesign . For instance the 997.2 was the first DFI engine . The 991.2 was the first turbo /non turbo models .
With the Macan they already messed with the engine in the first refresh . They actually did well .
My guess is that the second refresh will be more about the technology . Unlike the engine and PDK Porsches weakest trait is technology . The Macan .3 might just be the one that everyone wants to forget . It might be the one where Porsche tries to compete with bigger tech wizards inn the auto industry so that if they succeed they can launch an EV with all the criteria to justify the (gulp) price .

In short .. even though this is not the time to buy a car it might very well be the time to buy a Macan .
I speculate that the reason Porsche is taking 2022 orders for the 992 and not for the Macan has more to do with supply and demand of the 992.
 

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So looks like no more Turbo but the new GTS with the "old" Turbo power. Not a bad combo, kind of what the 2017/18 Turbo PP offered.
That is good news when it comes to the GTS.

If Porsche wants me to buy a third ICE Macan, the GTS is the only model I'm interested in, and it would need at least 450hp.
 

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Definitely interested! I've never driven the GTS, but with all the rave reviews online and on this forum coupled with the power of the outgoing Turbo, call me intrigued. The exterior looks largely unchanged to me, though I may not be as fluent with the .2 facelift. And while some may not like the updated interior, sign me up! Despite some of it's shortcomings, I'm all in on the 992 interior. Probably doesn't help I've lived through the button heavy interior beginning in 2011 with my 958, but change is good IMO.

I have very fond memories of my '15 Turbo and don't think I'm ready for an EV full time just yet. This new GTS might be the perfect bridge.
 

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Reading these new Turbo-powered air-suspension GTS 2022s will be out in July in the UK? In the US too?

When order books for the facelifted Macan open in the UK in July...

the Macan Turbo goes away but upgrades to the GTS let the model take its place. It has a twin-turbo 2.9-liter V6 with an upgraded ECU and running 33.4 psi (2.3 bar) of boost to make 434 hp (324 kW) and 405 lb-ft (549 Nm). For comparison, the existing GTS makes 375 hp (280 kW) and 383 lb-ft (519 Nm), and the Turbo has 434 hp (324 kW) and 405 lb-ft (549 Nm).

The updated GTS will ride on an air suspension that will be able to drop the ride height by 0.3937 inches (1 centimeter) in Sport Mode. An optional GTS Sport Package will add a torque-vectoring system for moving power side-to-side between the rear wheels.




so the 2022+ GTS will have more power & features than the 2020/21 GTS? Kinda seems like a weird deal for the future used car market ... but I guess with the Turbo losing drags to the X3M & X5M they had to do something ...



Will be interesting to see when dealers will start taking order and/or what the allocations look like for the new & improved GTS ...
 

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That is good news when it comes to the GTS.

If Porsche wants me to buy a third ICE Macan, the GTS is the only model I'm interested in, and it would need at least 450hp.
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Twin turbos return for S & GTS and Turbo dropped. Also more power for base.
Readingthese new Turbo-powered air-suspension GTS 2022s will be out in July in the UK? In the US too?

When order books for the facelifted Macan open in the UK in July...

the Macan Turbo goes away but upgrades to the GTS let the model take its place. It has a twin-turbo 2.9-liter V6 with an upgraded ECU and running 33.4 psi (2.3 bar) of boost to make 434 hp (324 kW) and 405 lb-ft (549 Nm). For comparison, the existing GTS makes 375 hp (280 kW) and 383 lb-ft (519 Nm), and the Turbo has 434 hp (324 kW) and 405 lb-ft (549 Nm).

The updated GTS will ride on an air suspension that will be able to drop the ride height by 0.3937 inches (1 centimeter) in Sport Mode. An optional GTS Sport Package will add a torque-vectoring system for moving power side-to-side between the rear wheels.




so the 2022+ GTS will have more power & features than the 2020/21 GTS? Kinda seems like a weird deal for the future used car market ... but I guess with the Turbo losing drags to the X3M & X5M they had to do something ...



Will be interesting to see when dealers will start taking order and/or what the allocations look like for the new & improved GTS ...

Porsche is doing EXACTLY what I thought . First off they are buying time but what they REALLY want to test is the technology which is their weakest trait .

Regarding the engine and car they already have the 2.9 . The GTS is merely a detuned version . Plus if one adds the PSCB brakes plus 18 way seats to the current GTS then BAM .. its near Turbo price .
They must read these forums . They know that the GTS buyers want a more driver focused drive and the Turbo buyers want the Hp . So they blended them . You can bet that this new GTS will cost as much as the current Turbo ,

As for the base car the big deal on the forums are "not enough power" so they bumped it .

It's the technology they are nervous about . They want to know if Macan buyers in general will accept the new technology before they carry it into EV . Look at that long thread where the guy was ready to dump his Macan because the PCM wasn't what he expected . If one looks at cars like Tesla and Lexus they have the tech . They are boring as crap but they will accurately blow your nose for you and chime every time your neighbor farts . Porsche can't do this . This car is their test to see if they can.
 

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What exactly is the point of this facelift if a new model is coming soon ? The GTS orders ceased here in OZ a while ago and I'm upset as I am not a fan of flat panels. If they wanted to update the tech then where is the HUD, matrix LED's, soft close doors and self parking ? Instead they annoy us with the extra busy front end and the fat rear end while moving the reflectors IN thereby making the car look narrower and taller as per ...BMW X4.
 

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What exactly is the point of this facelift if a new model is coming soon ? The GTS orders ceased here in OZ a while ago and I'm upset as I am not a fan of flat panels. If they wanted to update the tech then were is the HUD, matrix LED's, soft close doors and self parking ? Instead they annoy us with the extra busy front end and the fat rear end while moving the reflectors IN thereby making the car look narrower and taller as per ...BMW X4.
It’s quite simple to me, given the impending EV transition it makes more sense to extend the lifespan of current platforms rather than spend incredible amounts for a new ICE generation that will be politically banned within x years.

The “Macan” EV won’t replace the ICE version, it will be sold next to it (and likely under a different name, like the Taycan/Panamera). I’m expecting a Macan.4 ICE refresh in 2024 as well, it’s their best selling model by far and you don’t kill the golden goose.

I believe this .3 refresh should come with matrix headlights, soft close and a few other goodies.
 

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What tech do you suggest they are testing In the Macan? The Cayenne, Panamera, and 911 all have the revised/updated dash and PCM, the Taycan is an extension of those systems and the 2022 992s will reportedly receive another update. Their tech is already tested unless you are referring to the EV tech? If so, that platform appears to be completely different.

The most logical is the thought above, extending the life of the current (and very dated) platform to save on cost for the eventual transition to EV. Seems like Porsche could have updated the dash for the .2 Macan instead? Or perhaps that would have been too soon. I think this new update will continue to keep the new Macan buyers coming instead of straying, but will it be enough to entice existing Macan owners to “upgrade?”
 

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Really not liking the redesigned front and rear bumper. The front looks just too busy (the black car in the photo above). The rear bumper red markers are sticking too close. I guess now it has gloss black rear diffusers?

Maybe should just use the current GTS front bumper for all models. That's the cleanest looking by far and without any fake inlets.

One publication says all trims might come standard with sports mirrors (see above photo)
 

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What tech do you suggest they are testing In the Macan? The Cayenne, Panamera, and 911 all have the revised/updated dash and PCM, the Taycan is an extension of those systems and the 2022 992s will reportedly receive another update. Their tech is already tested unless you are referring to the EV tech? If so, that platform appears to be completely different.

The most logical is the thought above, extending the life of the current (and very dated) platform to save on cost for the eventual transition to EV. Seems like Porsche could have updated the dash for the .2 Macan instead? Or perhaps that would have been too soon. I think this new update will continue to keep the new Macan buyers coming instead of straying, but will it be enough to entice existing Macan owners to “upgrade?”
The cayenne , Panamera and 911 are not identical technology. In fact the Cayenne is awkward with that old style clock and some buttons mixed with touchscreen . The Panamera is a total mess but I think new buyers want this.

The Macan is a mass produced vehicle and Porsche has to not only fit all the components in a a smaller dash than the larger sedan and SUV but they also have to provide 4 year 50K warranty . They don't want to see a gazillion first gen EV buyers flooding service with tech complaints .

And yes everything said above this with extending the engine platform is what I felt as well. I did say Porsche is buying time and stalling but they dont want to lose an opportunity to test what they feel benefits them.
 

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What tech do you suggest they are testing In the Macan? The Cayenne, Panamera, and 911 all have the revised/updated dash and PCM...

... extending the life of the current (and very dated) platform to save on cost for the eventual transition to EV. ... I think this new update will continue to keep the new Macan buyers coming instead of straying, but will it be enough to entice existing Macan owners to “upgrade?”
Yup, the .2 Macan was old tech & didn't go far enough, and this .3 refresh is simply updating their cashcow to the rest of the line. Further, Porsche's top-spec Turbo is just too slow compared to the X3M / X5M, et al to be called the "turbo". These videos don't help - a Porsche can't be the slow dog compared to ALL of the competition:


The GTS power boost gets the mid-spec Macan closer to the competition without having to put out a Turbo model which likely requires the next platform.

This is an update-the-tech & re-normalize-power to keep up with the competition move ...

Bottom line is, the .2 refresh in their cashcow just didn't go far enough and the competition lapped them.
 

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Yup, the .2 Macan was old tech & didn't go far enough, and this .3 refresh is simply updating their cashcow to the rest of the line. Further, Porsche's top-spec Turbo is just too slow compared to the X3M / X5M, et al to be called the "turbo". These videos don't help - a Porsche can't be the slow dog compared to ALL of the competition:


The GTS power boost gets the mid-spec Macan closer to the competition without having to put out a Turbo model which likely requires the next platform.

This is an update-the-tech & re-normalize-power to keep up with the competition move ...

Bottom line is, the .2 refresh in their cashcow just didn't go far enough and the competition lapped them.
Why do journalisms do drag races in SUV's . They almost look like elephants on a stampede . I think the bigger test would be to see which one of the three is still standing after 30K miles of hard driving or how well the paint and interior held up .

As fir racing I have a better idea . Lets take the best Porsche has asc well as BMW and Alfa . If it's a drag or roll race then so it is. If its a track then pick another variant to compete . Then lets see whose name comes in number 1 .
 

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Really not liking the redesigned front and rear bumper. The front looks just too busy (the black car in the photo above). The rear bumper red markers are sticking too close. I guess now it has gloss black rear diffusers?

Maybe should just use the current GTS front bumper for all models. That's the cleanest looking by far and without any fake inlets.

One publication says all trims might come standard with sports mirrors (see above photo)
Virtually identical to what I said. If you can order the current GTS do it !
 
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