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Agree.

The 300 mile range, for me, is a dealbreaker. I make 8-10 non-stop 1,400 mile drives a year. A 5 minute fuel stop . . . 2 or 3 times. . . . I can do. Finding, getting in the queue to use and charging an EV ain’t on my dance card.
Yes, that's my problem also. A BEV would be great for me for 10-11 months of the year for all my local driving, but for 1-2 months of the year I do long cross-country road trips, and the public-charging infrastructure just isn't very good yet (and I'm hearing that with many more BEVs being bought this year and used on road trips, the public charging stations that are working are starting to get queues with people waiting to charge). My problem is that I'm a hopeless Porsche fan (I keep looking at non-Porsche vehicles and usually feel underwhelmed about them), so it's harder to pay the high price to keep both an ICE Porsche and a BEV Porsche (the cheapest of which is around $100k with options now), thus my looking to possibly getting an E-Hybrid to bridge a few years until I can feel comfortable getting a BEV for those longer road trips. If, as suggested in the article that I cited earlier today (above), Porsche's E-Hybrids can get 50 miles of all-electric range, that would be perfect for me: do most/all of my local driving in all-electric but still have the ICE for long road trips.
 

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Agree.

The 300 mile range, for me, is a dealbreaker. I make 8-10 non-stop 1,400 mile drives a year. A 5 minute fuel stop . . . 2 or 3 times. . . . I can do. Finding, getting in the queue to use and charging an EV ain’t on my dance card.
Yep, same here. Found this out the hard way. Took our Tesla on a roadtrip just to see if we'd be ok with it an while autopilot is fun and relaxing, there's just too much wasted time, even without waiting in line at the superchargers.

A 1000 miles trip with an EV, adds realistically about 5 hours over driving an ICE and just stopping to refuel.
 

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Last week a sales guy at the local P dealer wanted me to try the Taycan. I failed to see how we got from a Cayman to that but whatever. He was almost pushy and told me "that's that future". My response I wish I had not said and in the way I said it. I told him "that's your opinion, and it's not my future"

These plans all look great on paper, but there are a few things called implementation, cost, and reality that get in the way.
 

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Last week a sales guy at the local P dealer wanted me to try the Taycan. I failed to see how we got from a Cayman to that but whatever. He was almost pushy and told me "that's that future".
Wow, how things have changed at car dealerships in only a couple of years!
 

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It probably had something to do with they didn't have anything else but the Taycan when I was there.
lol, I'm on the opposite end, when I went to drive a 2021 Macan, the dealer started by giving me randomly a ride in a 944 they had there. I had missed the smell of 80s cars
 

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but it was an easy day's work in a 356 series.
I used to joke you could stand between the inner fender and exhaust header and change the plugs of a 1967 Pontiac G.T.O. . . . the sound of those 3 - 2 barrels still makes me cringe . . . right up there with the Harley-Davidson XR-1000.

just in our generation alone.
The iPhone just turned 14 on June 29, 2021.

2030 at least
I'd concur. And, pretty sure you'd join me here, I think we are just guessing . . . . . as is everyone else . . . based on our perceived rate of progress. When I addressed the Graduating Class at Columbia University I spoke about change and used the example of my Grandmother who was born before flight (roughly 1903 . . about the same year Harley-Davidson came on the scene) and was, in her final days, at an annual reunion of the original Astronauts that was held annually at my Aunt and Astro-Uncle's house in Palm Desert, CA. Aunt Sandy came into Grandma's room, got her walker and escorted her out to a table near the pool for lunch. She told, with amazement, the account of sitting at a table of 6 and being the ONLY person there who had not walked on the moon. That, Gents, is in a single lifetime. I still have my original Motorola 13 VHF channel IMTS car phone . . with all it's vacuum tubes.

Double that and you're almost doing Le Mans...
If I had a LeMans car . . . I'd do the NYC - PBI commute in less than 23 hours. :)

I cut my teeth on Topeka, KS to Beverly Hills and Marina del Rey in the days I had my own business.

I love . . .as I bet all here do . . . driving.

We are living in amazing times.

A former employee has a company . . . Zero Motorcycles . . . and my (qualified with the caveat that I am a construction worker) guess is that we are one major sea change from the battery we will eventually see lead us into the future. Since the first day of the battery . . . we have, in large part, been trying to do the SAME THING . . just better. There are diminishing returns.

That is all PURE F***in' speculation.
 

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Based on the link in post #37, the range for a Porsche EV could be around 700 miles.

Edit: that should be based on the link to the PPE platform:

Porsche Aldi PPE platform
 

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A former employee has a company . . . Zero Motorcycles . . . and my (qualified with the caveat that I am a construction worker) guess is that we are one major sea change from the battery we will eventually see lead us into the future. Since the first day of the battery . . . we have, in large part, been trying to do the SAME THING . . just better. There are diminishing returns.
I wouldn't bet on it. Advance in batteries is slow. I've paid attention to a podcast that always look for the bigger and better mousetrap and its not just slow it coming, it needs new innovation. It could be Toyotas If there effort succeeds, looks like pushing for 2025. The issue is energy density. Gasoline has enormous energy density

DOE, gasoline rules. Batteries are nowhere near the density but gas has other problems too.



DOE thinks energy density between lithium and gas to be equal around 2045

But the Toyota energy density is greater than the early adopters. Research Toyota sold state energy density. If this come around in three years, it could easily leave Tesla and the early adopter crying because the second generation batteries WOULD GIVE you the range you want.

Read this too. 10 MINUTE Charging. 300 mile range, just like you asked for. Early adopters always get screwed.


Post 37 is talking larger batteries, not new batteries and still longer charging times

They need a significant change in the chemistry, not just more chemistry.
 

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Oops @wwahl just reported this in another thread,

Not good

 

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it needs new innovation
They need a significant change in the chemistry
See my comment about the required sea change . . . .

We can not "redouble our efforts" . . . "work harder" . . . of "add shifts". The old technology is likely a dead end . . . we're going to need a source of portable electric power that may not have yet been imagined.

We've a ways to go.

Kids, like my grandkids, will get us there.

It's exciting.
 

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See my comment about the required sea change . . . .

We can not "redouble our efforts" . . . "work harder" . . . of "add shifts". The old technology is likely a dead end . . . we're going to need a source of portable electric power that may not have yet been imagined.

We've a ways to go.

Kids, like my grandkids, will get us there.

It's exciting.
exactly my point. (y) But just like some say Moores Law is near an end, the change is slowing down so new innovation is required, not just build a bigger battery.
 

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Oops @wwahl just reported this in another thread,

Not good

I smell a class action lawsuit.
 

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See my comment about the required sea change . . . .

We can not "redouble our efforts"
This is from 2012. Physics is physics. It doesn't change


Its a good read but the essence is the energy density just isn't there nor will it ever be. Despite the driveline losses, you can't change the physical laws. Theres even a good point about Moore's Law.

Physics is physics. The only way batteries will get better is through different chemistry, and 9 years later, it ain't happened.
 

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Physics is physics. The only way batteries will get better is through different chemistry, and 9 years later, it ain't happened.
This is so important. Instead of focusing on pumping out new EVs with the same battery tech and just making heavier packs to increase range to sell, focus should really be on improving the batteries first. New battery tech and proper charging infrastructure is the only way these plans would work in the near future... I don't believe this will happen in 3-5 years.
 

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I smell a class action lawsuit.
Oops @wwahl just reported this in another thread,

Not good

I was shocked to see this article, as I'm a regular reader of several Taycan forums (planning to buy a Cross Turismo 4 myself). None of the many Taycan owners on the forums seems to have any knowledge of this, and many pages of comments about this article appear here:

One simple comment I quote here from the above forum thread:
"This forum has never been shy about calling out problems with respect to the car. This isn't one of them."

More information is clearly needed, but I'm very skeptical of the Teslarati-forum story...
 

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Newest spy images. Seems to have a version of the Taycan interior. The exterior is obviously covered in fake cladding to try and hide what it will look like but I must say the overall form feels bloated (especially from the side). Hopefully won’t be a porker like it’s currently looking to be.

 

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I don't understand the need for frameless doors on this type of car. Besides looking "cooler" there are no advantages. Less rigid, more prone to wind noise...
 
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