Can't blame them for trying!
I knew I should have gotten a Kia!
Maybe next time, I mean I'm sure Consumer Reports and me are looking at things in exactly the same way. Right. Sorry to bring the bad news.
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The 2021 Kia Sportage Just Killed the 2021 Porsche Macan On Consumer Reports
Dream cars are a tough category. I’m not saying the 2021 Porsche Macan, specifically, is a dream car, but Porsche certainly makes an appearance in many
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LMAO. Good for them. I never want to be with the masses.Maybe next time, I mean I'm sure Consumer Reports and me are looking at things in exactly the same way. Right. Sorry to bring the bad news.
The 2021 Kia Sportage Just Killed the 2021 Porsche Macan On Consumer Reports
Dream cars are a tough category. I’m not saying the 2021 Porsche Macan, specifically, is a dream car, but Porsche certainly makes an appearance in many
I thought the CR article was amusing. Now, I have found some words of stupidity on another level all together. For your amusement I present the following:
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The 2021 Subaru Crosstrek Is Slower, Uglier, and a Better Sports Car Than the 2021 Porsche Macan
Comparing vehicles is tough. They are often too close to really matter that much like the Kia Sorento and the Kia Telluride. However, sometimes they are
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This thing is a dog. I absolutely hate those transmissions that operate like a top.I thought the CR article was amusing. Now, I have found some words of stupidity on another level all together. For your amusement I present the following:
The 2021 Subaru Crosstrek Is Slower, Uglier, and a Better Sports Car Than the 2021 Porsche Macan
Comparing vehicles is tough. They are often too close to really matter that much like the Kia Sorento and the Kia Telluride. However, sometimes they are
When I happened on this thread, my initial reaction was "how ironical" As it turns out, the content per se, essentially a referendum on CR, belied that but I do have several observations related to the title of this sub-forum.
First let me note that I am not a big CR fan. My experience over the years is that their information is believable/useful in inverse proportion to my own experience in the area - refrigerators, vacuum cleaners etc. where measurements can be made & reported, OK - audio systems, cars etc - not so much.
Over the past year I have posted a number of both questions and accounts of my thinking on several sub-forums here as part of a "new car" decision making process. Starting with 6 (then adding a 7th) possibility, I looked, learned and drove. Four of the candidates were similar in size th my current Volvo wagon: The Macan, MB GLC 300 coupe, Genesis GV70 and the Audi A5 hatch. Three were significantly larger - The Panamera, Audi A7 and, added because of its similarity in size, shape and function, the Kia Stinger - the latter being the source of irony (and the only comparison that I shall present here.)
First a "status" report: Several days ago, I had made my decision(s) - a choice to be made between a well specced 2021 base (Carmine red with body-colored side blades) on a dealers floor or ordering one of two similarly colored but different '02's. Then, quite by accident, I happened on the "Battery Replacement" thread. I had made my peace with various aspects of the Macan purchase - limited and expensive options, probable high maintenance costs and the "Porsche Tax" in general. As I read the description of the complexity of the process, the need for an expensive scanning tool and data input (why does the car need to know, in addition to functional specs, what a new battery serial number is?) I was becoming more and more uncomfortable, not with my choice of car, but with my choice of company. The warning in the warranty book demanding that a trickle charger be connected if the car is undriven for several days was the last straw. One has the option, of course, of paying the dealer $700 to replace a $200 battery. My view of Porsche as a company is expressed in this imaginary dialog:
Interviewer to senior Porsche exec: "Why does Porsche treat its customers so cavalierly?"
Response (delivered with a cold smile): "Because we can"
It's a pity - loved the Macan - best drive of the lot (OK the Panamera equalled it) but I just don't want to do business with the company.
The promised comparison: Stinger GT2 Seats - not as well finished as the Macan but equally comfortable - interior fit and finish - good but, again not to Porsche standards - electronics/instruments - a toss up. I much prefer the Macan instrument cluster but the Kia offers some unique and useful functions - radio, connectivity etc; don't know, not important to me. Appearance - the Macan does a very good job of not looking to much like an SUV but the Stinger shares the very sleek 4 door fastback shape with the A7 and Panamera. On the road the Macan wins but not by a landslide - the difference is not so much "what" as "how" The Porsche is so competent that it goes about its business almost unnoticed while the Stinger, keeping up turn for turn, exhibits a bit more of a "let me show you what I can do" demeanor. It is, in the end, rather a comparison of sophistication vs versatility, like a comparison of Fred Astaire and Frank Sinatra.
For those interested in the Kia value proposition, I've attached a copy of a 2022 GT2 Monroney sticker.
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First let me note that I am not a big CR fan. My experience over the years is that their information is believable/useful in inverse proportion to my own experience in the area - refrigerators, vacuum cleaners etc. where measurements can be made & reported, OK - audio systems, cars etc - not so much.
Over the past year I have posted a number of both questions and accounts of my thinking on several sub-forums here as part of a "new car" decision making process. Starting with 6 (then adding a 7th) possibility, I looked, learned and drove. Four of the candidates were similar in size th my current Volvo wagon: The Macan, MB GLC 300 coupe, Genesis GV70 and the Audi A5 hatch. Three were significantly larger - The Panamera, Audi A7 and, added because of its similarity in size, shape and function, the Kia Stinger - the latter being the source of irony (and the only comparison that I shall present here.)
First a "status" report: Several days ago, I had made my decision(s) - a choice to be made between a well specced 2021 base (Carmine red with body-colored side blades) on a dealers floor or ordering one of two similarly colored but different '02's. Then, quite by accident, I happened on the "Battery Replacement" thread. I had made my peace with various aspects of the Macan purchase - limited and expensive options, probable high maintenance costs and the "Porsche Tax" in general. As I read the description of the complexity of the process, the need for an expensive scanning tool and data input (why does the car need to know, in addition to functional specs, what a new battery serial number is?) I was becoming more and more uncomfortable, not with my choice of car, but with my choice of company. The warning in the warranty book demanding that a trickle charger be connected if the car is undriven for several days was the last straw. One has the option, of course, of paying the dealer $700 to replace a $200 battery. My view of Porsche as a company is expressed in this imaginary dialog:
Interviewer to senior Porsche exec: "Why does Porsche treat its customers so cavalierly?"
Response (delivered with a cold smile): "Because we can"
It's a pity - loved the Macan - best drive of the lot (OK the Panamera equalled it) but I just don't want to do business with the company.
The promised comparison: Stinger GT2 Seats - not as well finished as the Macan but equally comfortable - interior fit and finish - good but, again not to Porsche standards - electronics/instruments - a toss up. I much prefer the Macan instrument cluster but the Kia offers some unique and useful functions - radio, connectivity etc; don't know, not important to me. Appearance - the Macan does a very good job of not looking to much like an SUV but the Stinger shares the very sleek 4 door fastback shape with the A7 and Panamera. On the road the Macan wins but not by a landslide - the difference is not so much "what" as "how" The Porsche is so competent that it goes about its business almost unnoticed while the Stinger, keeping up turn for turn, exhibits a bit more of a "let me show you what I can do" demeanor. It is, in the end, rather a comparison of sophistication vs versatility, like a comparison of Fred Astaire and Frank Sinatra.
For those interested in the Kia value proposition, I've attached a copy of a 2022 GT2 Monroney sticker.
"Shields up, Mr. Sulu"
Thanks for posting this; a good read. However, what this article misses is most people don't "dream" about driving a Kia. There's no brute metal soul in a Kia. Having a Macan is really about the pure satisfaction of having one. Most people don't open the garage door to gaze at a Kia. IMO it's misleading to put a Kia and Porsche in the same sentence - they are totally different classes of driver and handling precision along with expense...I think I could have purchased 3 loaded Kia's for the price of my GTS (ok, maybe I'm a fool?) lol . But seriously, Kia is about utility, Porsche, passion. The Macan itself may be tiny, impractical and arguably dated. But even if I lose money on my 2022 GTS, it still feels like a solid investment! Macan's, especially GTS, provide a guy like me a faint glow of achievement; as sense that the suburbs may not be my only destiny! Can't say that about Kia.Maybe next time, I mean I'm sure Consumer Reports and me are looking at things in exactly the same way. Right. Sorry to bring the bad news.
The 2021 Kia Sportage Just Killed the 2021 Porsche Macan On Consumer Reports
Dream cars are a tough category. I’m not saying the 2021 Porsche Macan, specifically, is a dream car, but Porsche certainly makes an appearance in many
Correction: solid investment = pure enjoyment.
100% on that. Pure joy every time I start up my Turbo and hear that exhaust burble or take an exit ramp at a way to fast speed or hit that Sport+ button just to do some passing on the highway or a dozen other situations just driving it.Thanks for posting this; a good read. However, what this article misses is most people don't "dream" about driving a Kia. There's no brute metal soul in a Kia. Having a Macan is really about the pure satisfaction of having one. Most people don't open the garage door to gaze at a Kia. IMO it's misleading to put a Kia and Porsche in the same sentence - they are totally different classes of driver and handling precision along with expense...I think I could have purchased 3 loaded Kia's for the price of my GTS (ok, maybe I'm a fool?) lol . But seriously, Kia is about utility, Porsche, passion. The Macan itself may be tiny, impractical and arguably dated. But even if I lose money on my 2022 GTS, it still feels like a solid investment! Macan's, especially GTS, provide a guy like me a faint glow of achievement; as sense that the suburbs may not be my only destiny! Can't say that about Kia.
I beg to disagree: The Kia Stinger, based on form, function and footprint, is aimed directly at the Panamera and Audi A7. Did they hit the mark? - A matter of opinion (mine is that they missed, but not by much) Remember that Porsche, with the exception of the Cisitalia GP car, began as essentially a "chopped and channeled" VW - everybody starts somewhere.Thanks for posting this; a good read. However, what this article misses is most people don't "dream" about driving a Kia. There's no brute metal soul in a Kia. Having a Macan is really about the pure satisfaction of having one. Most people don't open the garage door to gaze at a Kia. IMO it's misleading to put a Kia and Porsche in the same sentence - they are totally different classes of driver and handling precision along with expense...I think I could have purchased 3 loaded Kia's for the price of my GTS (ok, maybe I'm a fool?) lol . But seriously, Kia is about utility, Porsche, passion. The Macan itself may be tiny, impractical and arguably dated. But even if I lose money on my 2022 GTS, it still feels like a solid investment! Macan's, especially GTS, provide a guy like me a faint glow of achievement; as sense that the suburbs may not be my only destiny! Can't say that about Kia.
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